2024 NFL Draft 2nd and 3rd round gamethread: Baruch atah Adonai WITH SPOILERS

Eddie Jurak · Apr 27, 2024

I don't really get the criticism of the Pats for trading down 3 spots. Ladd McConkey went 34, the Pats original slot. Two DTs went 35 and 36 (Ohrorhoro Your Boat and Newton). Then the Pats were up at 37 and took Polk. They might not have even wanted McConkey or the DTs.

Personally, I wanted Kingsley Suamataia at 34, or 37, and he fell so far (63) that I had my hopes up that they would take him at 68, which did not quite work out.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment specifically on Polk and Wallace. The latter preferred really wanted someone else. They did bring Wallace in for a visit though, so they must have liked something about him.

The criticism of the Pats for drafting for need is hilarious to me. If they had drafted, say, a DT and an interior OL who were consensus BPA, we'd be hearing the criticism "why aren't they addressing their weaknesses?" I'm just happy that the Pats did not reach for a slow footed safety in R2.

Devizier · Apr 27, 2024

Eddie Jurak said:
I don't really get the criticism of the Pats for trading down 3 spots.

I don’t really criticize over/under drafts, truly weird cases like Penix excepted. I mean, Piersall was also “over drafted” and no one cares because it’s the Niners, I’m guessing a lot of these guys are massed together, teams have their ideal fits and go with that. Once round three comes around all bets are off.

I also love trade backs. More bites at the apple. It takes humility to do that.

I do have a fondness for defensive sliders, probably from favorable memories of Wilfork and Barmore. So I was kind of hoping for Newton. But no chance Polk lasts until the third.

Eddie Jurak · Apr 27, 2024

Devizier said:
I don’t really criticize over/under drafts, truly weird cases like Penix excepted. I mean, Piersall was also “over drafted” and no one cares because it’s the Niners, I’m guessing a lot of these guys are massed together, teams have their ideal fits and go with that. Once round three comes around all bets are off,

I do have a fondness for defensive sliders, probably from favorable memories of Wilfork and Barmore. So I was kind of hoping for Newton. But no chance Polk lasts until the third.

If they were set on Newton, a first round slider, then the trade back was ill-advised, IMO. But I think that was unlikely. If Newton was their guy and they had a first round grade on him they would have taken him at 34.

Devizier · Apr 27, 2024

Eddie Jurak said:
If they were set on Newton, a first round slider, then the trade back was ill-advised, IMO. But I think that was unlikely. If Newton was their guy and they had a first round grade on him they would have taken him at 34.

Undoubtably, they didn’t want him. I just feel like the team is at a position where they can go BPA anywhere and improve.

brendan f · Apr 27, 2024

I think what's interesting about their day 2 picks is that both players were overshadowed by teammates who went really early in the draft (Odunze, Fashanu), which may have hurt their overall stock.

NortheasternPJ · Apr 27, 2024

I wasn’t able to watch any of the draft last really but just read this whole thread. What a wild entertaining ride. The Pats front office has no idea what they’re doing. Panicked in round 2 and traded out due to losing a player. Then drafted a WR that would have been there in round 3 because no other WRs went. Then reaching in Round 3 and not taking Franklin stupidly. Instead they reached on a tackle who’s a 5th rounder.

Now Franklin is in the 4th round. Good thing they didn’t reach for him.

I’m not saying any of these picks are going to be any good but this thread was bananas.

Ale Xander · Apr 27, 2024

brendan f said:
I think what's interesting about their day 2 picks is that both players were overshadowed by teammates who went really early in the draft (Odunze, Fashanu), which may have hurt their overall stock.

Or alternatively, is that Odunze picked up a lot of defensive emphasis leaving Polk more open than he would be if he was the #1 and Fashanu blocked the more dangerous pash rusher.

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Apr 27, 2024

NortheasternPJ said:
I wasn’t able to watch any of the draft last really but just read this whole thread. What a wild entertaining ride. The Pats front office has no idea what they’re doing. Panicked in round 2 and traded out due to losing a player. Then drafted a WR that would have been there in round 3 because no other WRs went. Then reaching in Round 3 and not taking Franklin stupidly. Instead they reached on a tackle who’s a 5th rounder.

Now Franklin is in the 4th round. Good thing they didn’t reach for him.

I’m not saying any of these picks are going to be any good but this thread was bananas.

I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID SO THEY'RE PANICKING!

Justthetippett · Apr 27, 2024

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NortheasternPJ said:
I wasn’t able to watch any of the draft last really but just read this whole thread. What a wild entertaining ride. The Pats front office has no idea what they’re doing. Panicked in round 2 and traded out due to losing a player. Then drafted a WR that would have been there in round 3 because no other WRs went. Then reaching in Round 3 and not taking Franklin stupidly. Instead they reached on a tackle who’s a 5th rounder.

Now Franklin is in the 4th round. Good thing they didn’t reach for him.

I’m not saying any of these picks are going to be any good but this thread was bananas.

Caeden Wallace really set things off. I think it was a mix of overdrafting AND not getting the OT many thought was better (Suamataia) AND that he went to the Chiefs, who seem to be getting good breaks left and right. Watching them nail the draft is infuriating. Right up there with the Ravens. For some reason the Eagles are less annoying to me. Probably because aside from one magic run by Foles they are bound to fuck things up tragically in one way or another.

Pesky Pole · Apr 27, 2024

Ale Xander said:
Or alternatively, is that Odunze picked up a lot of defensive emphasis leaving Polk more open than he would be if he was the #1 and Fashanu blocked the more dangerous pash rusher.

That’s fair on Polk but a lot of defenses will move their best rusher to the “weaker” side of the offensive side. So it might be a pro for Wallace at least. But your point is fair, it’s not exactly linear logic here either way.

am_dial · Apr 27, 2024

Justthetippett said:
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Caeden Wallace really set things off. I think it was a mix of overdrafting AND not getting the OT many thought was better (Suamataia) AND that he went to the Chiefs, who seem to be getting good breaks left and right. Watching them nail the draft is infuriating. Right up there with the Ravens. For some reason the Eagles are less annoying to me. Probably because aside from one magic run by Foles they are bound to fuck things up tragically in one way or another.

Absolutely no one knows yet whether the bolded is true.

Ferm Sheller · Apr 27, 2024

Justthetippett said:
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Caeden Wallace really set things off. I think it was a mix of overdrafting AND not getting the OT many thought was better (Suamataia) AND that he went to the Chiefs, who seem to be getting good breaks left and right. Watching them nail the draft is infuriating. Right up there with the Ravens. For some reason the Eagles are less annoying to me. Probably because aside from one magic run by Foles they are bound to fuck things up tragically in one way or another.

But on what grounds do people feel that Suamataia is better? Are people actually watching BYU games? Studying BYU's offensive line play on All 22s? That's the infuriating part -- people are *outraged*, and I mean absolutely fucking ripshit, about Wallace/Suamataia, but don't really have the knowledge needed to feel any emotion.

So just be honest and say, "Eh, who knows?" or "I would have like to have seen them pick Suamataia based on the 15 minutes I spent on NFL.com researching him, but maybe an NFL organization knows more than I do. Who knows?"

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

Eddie Jurak said:
I don't really get the criticism of the Pats for trading down 3 spots. Ladd McConkey went 34, the Pats original slot. Two DTs went 35 and 36 (Ohrorhoro Your Boat and Newton). Then the Pats were up at 37 and took Polk. They might not have even wanted McConkey or the DTs.

Personally, I wanted Kingsley Suamataia at 34, or 37, and he fell so far (63) that I had my hopes up that they would take him at 68, which did not quite work out.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment specifically on Polk and Wallace. The latter preferred really wanted someone else. They did bring Wallace in for a visit though, so they must have liked something about him.

The criticism of the Pats for drafting for need is hilarious to me. If they had drafted, say, a DT and an interior OL who were consensus BPA, we'd be hearing the criticism "why aren't they addressing their weaknesses?" I'm just happy that the Pats did not reach for a slow footed safety in R2.

You're definitely right that we would be hearing criticism if we did that. But it'd be from different people with different opinions. And some of the people upset might not have been.

Personally, my philosophy is that that Pats are way too bad to be reaching for needs. Even if we had an okay receiver and an okay LT, we wouldn't be great shakes or anything. I would've preferred to see some players with more exciting upside regardless of position.

I also don't think this FO has earned the benefit of the doubt. Bill definitely did, despite his many mistakes, but Wolf is brand new and it's understandable that people aren't blindly trusting in him.

snowmanny · Apr 27, 2024

soxpatscelts1524 said:
Personally, my philosophy is that that Pats are way too bad to be reaching for needs. Even if we had an okay receiver and an okay LT, we wouldn't be great shakes or anything. I would've preferred to see some players with more exciting upside regardless of position.

I agree with the idea that the team is relatively bereft of great players and getting great players at any position is what they need right now - with the caveat that it is never the wrong time to build a functioning OL. A big part of me was hoping for a trade down from 3 to just get the surest good player at any position. But ultimately, the great likelihood is that the success or failure of this draft is 90% on Drake Maye.

jacklamabe65 · Apr 27, 2024

Interestingly, The Athletic currently has them as the 20th-ranked team, so I don't know how bad the Patriots really are. Last year, they had historically close losses and could have easily been a .500 or above .500 team.

Arroyoyo · Apr 27, 2024

Agreed with the above, but I’m also in the minority in thinking the Patriots do not have a horrible roster. I truly believe average, fundamentally-reliable quarterback play and the return of Judon and Gonzalez turns them into something between a 7-9 and 9-8 team.

Is that great? No. But it’s competitive and if Maye develops well in 2024 (in a red shirt year) it could lead to a surprisingly talented 2025 team. Before then, I wouldn’t even be shocked to see the Patriots flirt with a wild card spot in 2024.

I think the removal of Mac and Parker alone, and replacing both of them with average, NFL-competent production, makes this team significantly better on the offensive side of the ball.

If only they could drop Juju and add a solid #1 vet at WR, I’d feel even better about 2024, without Maye taking a single snap.

MuppetAsteriskTalk · Apr 27, 2024

Ferm Sheller said:
But on what grounds do people feel that Suamataia is better? Are people actually watching BYU games? Studying BYU's offensive line play on All 22s? That's the infuriating part -- people are *outraged*, and I mean absolutely fucking ripshit, about Wallace/Suamataia, but don't really have the knowledge needed to feel any emotion.

So just be honest and say, "Eh, who knows?" or "I would have like to have seen them pick Suamataia based on the 15 minutes I spent on NFL.com researching him, but maybe an NFL organization knows more than I do. Who knows?"

You then should be just as upset at people who love a pick, are thrilled, and can't wait for the season to start. I mean, what do they know? Let's all just blankly stare at the screen and shrug and say "well what do I know". It just seems odd to me to only be upset at people who are critical of picks when by your logic nobody knows nothing and that logic should extend to picks people are excited about too.

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

Arroyoyo said:
Agreed with the above, but I’m also in the minority in thinking the Patriots do not have a horrible roster. I truly believe average, fundamentally-reliable quarterback play and the return of Judon and Gonzalez turns them into something between a 7-9 and 9-8 team.

Is that great? No. But it’s competitive and if Maye develops well in 2024 (in a red shirt year) it could lead to a surprisingly talented 2025 team. Before then, I wouldn’t even be shocked to see the Patriots flirt with a wild card spot in 2024.

I think the removal of Mac and Parker alone, and replacing both of them with average, NFL-competent production, makes this team significantly better on the offensive side of the ball.

If only they could drop Juju and add a solid #1 vet at WR, I’d feel even better about 2024, without Maye taking a single snap.

I actually do agree with this, I think we could be pretty average in 2025 if these guys work out. The problem with that is I actually think that's a bad outcome. I'd rather pick guys who could be impact contributors to a championship team in the future and be bad next year to get a higher pick with the aim to be a quasi-contender in 2025-2026 and a real contender in 2026-2027

Remagellan · Apr 27, 2024

If you want to feel a bit better, here's The Athletic guys (Mays, Brugler, Tice) talking about the Pats picks:

2024 NFL Draft Rounds 2 & 3 LIVE with The Athletic - YouTube

Polk pick at 1:38:47 (Nate Tice sploogefest, like Maye, he was one of his draft binkies)

Run up to the Wallace pick at 3:43:10 (discussion of available tackles)

Justthetippett · Apr 27, 2024

Ferm Sheller said:
But on what grounds do people feel that Suamataia is better? Are people actually watching BYU games? Studying BYU's offensive line play on All 22s? That's the infuriating part -- people are *outraged*, and I mean absolutely fucking ripshit, about Wallace/Suamataia, but don't really have the knowledge needed to feel any emotion.

So just be honest and say, "Eh, who knows?" or "I would have like to have seen them pick Suamataia based on the 15 minutes I spent on NFL.com researching him, but maybe an NFL organization knows more than I do. Who knows?"

I would say we all want to be fans of a smart, competitive, well-run team, so when they buck consensus (which is all most of us have to go on), it raises the question: are they geniuses or idiots? That alone is going to trigger strong opinions. BB got the benefit of the doubt when he went against the grain because of his track record of success. With Wolf we are going to rightly be more skeptical until he shows something. I will say this draft is a mix. Clearly Maye was the consensus pick. The others not so much.

P'tucket rhymes with... · Apr 27, 2024

NortheasternPJ said:
I wasn’t able to watch any of the draft last really but just read this whole thread. What a wild entertaining ride. The Pats front office has no idea what they’re doing. Panicked in round 2 and traded out due to losing a player. Then drafted a WR that would have been there in round 3 because no other WRs went. Then reaching in Round 3 and not taking Franklin stupidly. Instead they reached on a tackle who’s a 5th rounder.

Now Franklin is in the 4th round. Good thing they didn’t reach for him.

I’m not saying any of these picks are going to be any good but this thread was bananas.

It's Draftmas. Nobody wants socks and underwear, they want the stuff on their wish list.

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

Justthetippett said:
I would say we all want to be fans of a smart, competitive, well-run team, so when they buck consensus (which is all most of us have to go on), it raises the question: are they geniuses or idiots? That alone is going to trigger strong opinions. BB got the benefit of the doubt when he went against the grain because of his track record of success. With Wolf we are going to rightly be more skeptical until he shows something. I will say this draft is a mix. Clearly Maye was the consensus pick. The others not so much.

Another thing is that we have seen so many failures bucking consensus with BB, the smartest guy in the NFL, that it's hard for me to believe anyone can really consistently beat consensus. Especially when we see teams like Eagles, Chiefs and Ravens be extremely successful in the draft mostly just picking consensus.

The other problem I have with the Polk pick is the lack of speed. It seems like we're picking a WR for a past era. As smart teams with great offenses like the Chiefs and Dolphins are absolutely loading up on speed, we're picking a slower, possession receiver. Now of course, there are exceptions of guys who turn out great, but most of those guys have not exactly knocked it out of the park.

Van Everyman · Apr 27, 2024

Justthetippett said:
I would say we all want to be fans of a smart, competitive, well-run team, so when they buck consensus (which is all most of us have to go on), it raises the question: are they geniuses or idiots? That alone is going to trigger strong opinions. BB got the benefit of the doubt when he went against the grain because of his track record of success. With Wolf we are going to rightly be more skeptical until he shows something. I will say this draft is a mix. Clearly Maye was the consensus pick. The others not so much.

I also think emotions are riding high due to the team moving on from Bill. I strongly suspect that if the Pats were doing all consensus picks thus far a good chunk of posters would be concerned that the FO wasn’t being creative or thoughtful enough. People just really, really want this team to be competitive again – we aren’t used to dysfunction and it makes people uncomfortable.

From what I can see so far we have:

1) A QB most people felt we should take,
2) A WR we valued more highly than the consensus because the Pats employ a guy who coached him in college, and
3) A T who has a lot of athleticism and size who the team feels could move to LT.

For my part, the latter is the only real reach-y/“Take our word for it” decision of the draft so far. It may well be that they feel athletic RTs you can move to the other side are a better value in the draft than LTs who command a higher draft slot. Either way, I’m willing to wait and see.

Eddie Jurak · Apr 27, 2024

NortheasternPJ said:
I wasn’t able to watch any of the draft last really but just read this whole thread. What a wild entertaining ride. The Pats front office has no idea what they’re doing. Panicked in round 2 and traded out due to losing a player. Then drafted a WR that would have been there in round 3 because no other WRs went. Then reaching in Round 3 and not taking Franklin stupidly. Instead they reached on a tackle who’s a 5th rounder.

Now Franklin is in the 4th round. Good thing they didn’t reach for him.

I’m not saying any of these picks are going to be any good but this thread was bananas.

I had to get almost to the end of this post to realize what you were doing here.

soxpatscelts1524 said:
I also don't think this FO has earned the benefit of the doubt. Bill definitely did, despite his many mistakes, but Wolf is brand new and it's understandable that people aren't blindly trusting in him.

These are Bill's guys from a year ago when we had what looks like a good draft.

More importantly, a lot of this criticism reads less like "not giving the benefit of the doubt" and more like "not even open to the possibility that the consensus might be wrong."

Justthetippett · Apr 27, 2024

soxpatscelts1524 said:
Another thing is that we have seen so many failures bucking consensus with BB, the smartest guy in the NFL, that it's hard for me to believe anyone can really consistently beat consensus. Especially when we see teams like Eagles, Chiefs and Ravens be extremely successful in the draft mostly just picking consensus.

The other problem I have with the Polk pick is the lack of speed. It seems like we're picking a WR for a past era. As smart teams with great offenses like the Chiefs and Dolphins are absolutely loading up on speed, we're picking a slower, possession receiver. Now of course, there are exceptions of guys who turn out great, but most of those guys have not exactly knocked it out of the park.

Pats have speed (Thornton). He just can't do anything else well. KC has a mix with Rice, who's not a speed guy (current legal troubles notwithstanding) and now Worthy and Brown. Dolphins, yeah, they are loading up there. Remains to be seen if they can do anything in the playoffs with it.

But this was very salient in the Bill's draft. They very clearly made a decision on Coleman vs. Worthy and the speed difference is very large there.

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

Van Everyman said:
I also think emotions are riding high due to the team moving on from Bill. I strongly suspect that if the Pats were doing all consensus picks thus far a good chunk of posters would be concerned that the FO wasn’t being creative or thoughtful enough. People just really, really want this team to be competitive again – we aren’t used to dysfunction and it makes people uncomfortable.

From what I can see so far we have:

1) A QB most people felt we should take,
2) A WR we valued more highly than the consensus because the Pats employ a guy who coached him in college, and
3) A T who has a lot of athleticism and size who the team feels could move to LT.

For my part, the latter is the only real reach-y/“Take our word for it” decision of the draft so far. It may well be that they feel athletic RTs you can move to the other side are a better value in the draft than LTs who command a higher draft slot. Either way, I’m willing to wait and see.

Isn't it also possible that there was just a huge run on OTs and WRs, and they locked in on those positions and just took the best "at the position." Both these guys would seem to fit there, as no one took a WR until Mitchell at 52 .

I just find it hard to believe that Polk, the 10th WR taken, was the best player on the board at 37. CB is also a premium position and DeJean was there for the taking, he would be the 3rd best CB. Are there really 10 WRs better than the 3rd best CB, or did people just end up reaching because offense is in vogue and people wanted WRs. Knowing NFL FOs, I know which seems more likely to me.

Wallace seems to follow a similar pattern: there was a huge run on OTs this draft. We saw a ton of OTs go early and 4 OTs go in the 13 picks before the Pats.

Occam's razor to me suggests that we locked in on OT and WR and settled for what was there after those positions had a huge run.

BaseballJones · Apr 27, 2024

tims4wins said:
I agree on speed, but guys like Aiyuk, St Brown, and Nacua all ran the same or worse. We’d kill to have any of them right?

Exactly. This forum was awash with people wanting to trade for Aiyuk and rightfully so. Dude is great. But in terms of speed and quickness Polk is virtually identical to Aiyuk.

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

tims4wins said:
I agree on speed, but guys like Aiyuk, St Brown, and Nacua all ran the same or worse. We’d kill to have any of them right?

Oh of course, you can always find an exception. Every player has a range of outcomes and if Polk ends up at the top of it, we'll win big time. But you can say that about nearly any player, I just generally think it's a bummer that we went with a slower receiver.

The draft is somewhat of a crapshoot and every player has a chance to be a bust or a huge success. I'm just not too happy with the bets we made

BaseballJones · Apr 27, 2024

tims4wins said:
All these guys have warts when you’re past the top 10. If they picked Mitchell we’d all be saying awesome he’s a RAS monster who had no production. Myself included.

Not trying to just be your yes man but….yes, once again, you are spot on here.

TheRealness · Apr 27, 2024

5 OTs were taken after the Pats took Wallace, so it feels like they read the board well on who would be left and took a guy they liked. He has good athleticism and is an upgrade talent wise on their tackle position. For the third round it’s hard to get mad at that. They didn’t draft a kicker so that’s a win.

Jimbodandy · Apr 27, 2024

Ferm Sheller said:
But on what grounds do people feel that Suamataia is better? Are people actually watching BYU games? Studying BYU's offensive line play on All 22s? That's the infuriating part -- people are *outraged*, and I mean absolutely fucking ripshit, about Wallace/Suamataia, but don't really have the knowledge needed to feel any emotion.

So just be honest and say, "Eh, who knows?" or "I would have like to have seen them pick Suamataia based on the 15 minutes I spent on NFL.com researching him, but maybe an NFL organization knows more than I do. Who knows?"

Yeah this is fair.

If they walked out of this draft without anything resembling a starting QB, OT, and WR, the gripes probably have a lot more foundation. But whether dude A or dude B is the right fit, nobody really fucking knows, even the people with big paychecks and big staffs.

rodderick · Apr 27, 2024

jacklamabe65 said:
Interestingly, The Athletic currently has them as the 20th-ranked team, so I don't know how bad the Patriots really are. Last year, they had historically close losses and could have easily been a .500 or above .500 team.

They also won their 4 games by a combined 15 points. They were as bad as their record. But if they had Brissett starting last year maybe they win a couple more, Mac Jones/Zappe is an unplayable combo.

Regarding Suamataia, Lazar had an interesting take in that maybe they thought Polk just offered a higher floor and ability to contribute right away, and they didn't want to go all in on ceiling with Maye and Suamataia.

twibnotes · Apr 27, 2024

I know Lombardi isn’t for everyone (I love his stuff - so entertaining), but his rant against the Falcons FO on his latest pod is hilarious and worth a listen.

“Fontenot is behaving as a guy who has no money and he spends money to buy a second Rolex…you can’t wear two Rolexes!!”

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gm-shuffle-with-michael-lombardi-and-femi-abebefe/id1458884463

rodderick · Apr 27, 2024

twibnotes said:
I know Lombardi isn’t for everyone (I love his stuff - so entertaining), but his rant against the Falcons FO on his latest pod is hilarious and worth a listen.

“Fontenot is behaving as a guy who has no money and he spends money to buy a second Rolex…you can’t wear two Rolexes!!”

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gm-shuffle-with-michael-lombardi-and-femi-abebefe/id1458884463

This was fun for a while and then it became so clear he was just taking shots because he resents Bill not being hired there and it became cringy by the end.

Sox Pride · Apr 27, 2024

Ale Xander said:
Or alternatively, is that Odunze picked up a lot of defensive emphasis leaving Polk more open than he would be if he was the #1 and Fashanu blocked the more dangerous pash rusher.

You can choose which WR to cover, but you can't choose which pass rusher your going to block
The argument for LT vs RT is covering the QB's blind side - not that you're necessarily facing the better pass rushers

I have no argument with them trading back per se - I just wish they'd gotten additional picks - not just a pick swap in the deal.
Trading back is very smart if the guy you want isn't on other teams' boards this high.

RedOctober3829 · Apr 27, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1784237457560473656

E5 Yaz · Apr 27, 2024

Colts GM defends Mitchell against reports of issues:

"I read some of the bulls--- that was said," Ballard said. "Excuse my language. Our typical league -- unnamed sources, bad interviews. That's such bulls---. I mean, it f---ing is. It's bulls---. Put your name on it. I'm tired of it. We tear these young men down.
"These are 21-, 22-year-old young men. And can people out there tell me they're perfect in their lives? It's crazy. It's crap. This is a good kid. And for those reports to come out, it's bulls---."

Sox Pride · Apr 27, 2024

It's amusing the angst about going against consensus picks - here is Nate Tice's top 100 on yahoo from before the draft:
Note Maye at 1 and Polk at 34

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-final-top-100-big-board-goes-in-depth-on-all-the-key-prospects-ahead-of-draft-weekend-130054234.html

soxpatscelts1524 · Apr 27, 2024

Sox Pride said:
It's amusing the angst about going against consensus picks - here is Nate Tice's top 100 on yahoo from before the draft:
Note Maye at 1 and Polk at 34

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-final-top-100-big-board-goes-in-depth-on-all-the-key-prospects-ahead-of-draft-weekend-130054234.html

And DeJean is 18th and Sumataia is 22nd. Look, anyone can go cherry picking sources that have our players looking okay, but I don't know anyone who had Polk as the BPA and Reiss points out that most think it's a reach

rodderick · Apr 27, 2024

soxpatscelts1524 said:
And DeJean is 18th and Sumataia is 22nd. Look, anyone can go cherry picking sources that have our players looking okay, but I don't know anyone who had Polk as the BPA and Reiss points out that most think it's a reach

Polk was widely viewed as a second rounder and went in the second round. This is not the first round where consensus at the top is rigid. BPA will very wildly, and team need starts being part of the equation as well. If you go into a draft with the mentality that the only acceptable pick is the one at the absolute top of "best remaining" rankings, you'll always be disappointed. I get that with Wallace in the third, that was a reach by pretty much every account.

Jinhocho · Apr 27, 2024

Arroyoyo said:
Agreed with the above, but I’m also in the minority in thinking the Patriots do not have a horrible roster. I truly believe average, fundamentally-reliable quarterback play and the return of Judon and Gonzalez turns them into something between a 7-9 and 9-8 team.

Is that great? No. But it’s competitive and if Maye develops well in 2024 (in a red shirt year) it could lead to a surprisingly talented 2025 team. Before then, I wouldn’t even be shocked to see the Patriots flirt with a wild card spot in 2024.

I think the removal of Mac and Parker alone, and replacing both of them with average, NFL-competent production, makes this team significantly better on the offensive side of the ball.

If only they could drop Juju and add a solid #1 vet at WR, I’d feel even better about 2024, without Maye taking a single snap.

I tend to agree on all of this, but if this is the logic moving on from belichick is a huge risk. You had. Had the guy that built the roster, was around 500 post Brady and now had a chance to build on it. We now have a brand new Guy picking the players, a head coached or clearly coordinated a defense at any level of the NFL, signed an offensive coordinator who has very little experience calling plays in the NFL, and now apparently have an ownership that is actively committed to being more involved. Subtracting BB could be a huge loss for this team next year. I'm not saying that it will be but yeah.

DJnVa · Apr 27, 2024

E5 Yaz said:
Colts GM defends Mitchell against reports of issues:

None of this is a denial.

Petagine in a Bottle · Apr 27, 2024

rodderick said:
They also won their 4 games by a combined 15 points. They were as bad as their record. But if they had Brissett starting last year maybe they win a couple more, Mac Jones/Zappe is an unplayable combo.

Regarding Suamataia, Lazar had an interesting take in that maybe they thought Polk just offered a higher floor and ability to contribute right away, and they didn't want to go all in on ceiling with Maye and Suamataia.

Yeah, like half of NFL games are one score games; there was nothing notable about the Patriots winning a few and losing a lot of close games; they were a lousy team and likely will be lousy this year too. They should be a bit better at QB, yet still not good at the position.

Ale Xander · Apr 27, 2024

Our pick 103 is up

ifmanis5 · Apr 27, 2024

Wonder if the Pats wanted Franklin. Denver traded up to grab him.

ifmanis5 · Apr 27, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1784254944075305397
The Patriots selected Texas A&M G Layden Robinson 103rd overall in the 2024 NFL Draft.

2024 NFL Draft 2nd and 3rd round gamethread: Baruch atah Adonai WITH SPOILERS

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