There aren't really any Contenders looking to add 5's, that make $18MM. They'd have to move too much talent to fit that contract. I actually can't think of one NBA team that would offload talent, & then pay Turner's salary for one 1st round pick
LAL could use him. They're starting DeAndre Jordan. They just don't have attractive picks. Dallas should be interested too.
Turner might be a better fit in Chicago than Vucevic, that team really needs a rim protector.
I think this is going to be the story of this trade deadline, and why I'm skeptical of Schroder level guys fetching a first round pick, most of the best teams don't have picks to trade.
The problem with the “Move Schroder” team is that the reasoning is that he will bring future value…..which is unlikely. My position has been, barring a complete blow up and tank the season which I admit isn’t likely, that Schroder provides much more value to the team this season than what anything he could fetch in a trade would bring in the future.
I guess I just don't see him as a particularly positive player for this team. I think he's not impactful, and his being here or not isn't a signficant factor in the wins and losses of this team, particularly in the playoffs. I think you can get 90% or more of the value out of playing a combination of wings with a sprinkling of PP.
Lakers have AD coming back and Dwight Howard is a fine playing backup. They want AD playing the 5
AD has consistently for his entire career said he was gonna play the 5 more, then not played the 5. Maybe this is the year.... I really doubt it. "AD is gonna play the 5 this year" is the Lucy football hold of the NBA
DS is a bit redundant when Smart is healthy but DS seems super important to the team if Smart isn't able to play. That's probably why POBOBS isn't going to get rid of DS for a 2nd round pick. And if DS is unhappy once Smart gets back for lack of playing time because DS and MS can't really play together, well at least the Cs aren't going to have to worry about the next contract.
Exactly. I will include the caveat of there being an exception for every rule. In this case I could see Philly (#22) or the Bucks (#23) being involved should they lose Maxey or Holiday for the year, respectively. Aside from a specific injury to a contender it isn’t happening. He’s simply more valuable to the Celtics, with or without Smart playing, this year than what he could realistically fetch in future assets.
I'd look for a flyer-worthy recent first round pick who hasn't lived up to potential.
We definitely agree on the main points here. The option for trading Schroder I see as most likely is either a swap that helps both teams with fit or a 3 team trade where Schroder goes to another playoff team (Cleveland is an obvious potential fit) and we get a different player back from a seller. One benefit of this is that we have trade exceptions we can use to take on more salary. For example, if Portland is selling and Brad wants Covington (used not necessarily because he’s the right fit but because he works from a contract and selling team standpoint), we could trade Schroder, take Covington into a TPE, and Cleveland could send assets and a small salary to Portland, plus whatever seconds need to be added in whatever directions to make it work.
As @mcpickl pointed out, many of the "contending" teams lack liquid draft capital so perhaps there is an opportunity to snag a good player who has limited landing spots, take a "fallen first" or use Schroder to opportunistically jump into another transaction that nets useful pieces. Trading him for a dollar off coupon that can be used at most retailers makes less sense, especially since the Celtics are still trying to make the playoffs and are already thin on NBA level production.
What if they are above .500, 6 games back of the 6 seed, and 2 games back of the 10 seed? So they'd basically be playing for a play in game.
THe interesting (and I think encouraging) thing in that is that they clearly have placed TL a tier above Smart. I think that's a good move. I see a lot more rosters that work with TL/Tatum/Brown than with Tatum/Brown/Smart.
Yeah. Ideally you space the Jays with at least 2 other shooters and shooting is easier to find at the 1-4 than the 5. TL also has some more room for growth. I get the hesitation people have with TL being a 30 minute player due to injuries, but he's held up well this season and his rate stats are rebounding after a slow start. If he were only a 24-25 minute player, Smart would end up ahead by default.
yeah, basically the exec was saying they were gauging interest in packages with those guys, likely combined with Smart/Richardson.
See I'm the opposite. I'm not getting hung up on standings as much as I want to see them playing well, turning a corner with the potential to finish the season strong (~10 games over .500)
Yeah, I'd say TL's fairly consistent availability this year, and his ability to go to 30 minutes consistently, have increased his projected value by a good bit.
Yeah, but if there are that many teams over .500, they are just beating up on the same teams.
I've been mentioning Kevin Huerter for like a year now. It would be a total change of play though. I love the deal for both teams too. They both make similar money after this season. so it's about making it match this year.
I enjoy TL as a fan, certainly, but he's far from untouchable in my opinion. I just don't see his ceiling being much higher than he is, and I think he has a pretty low floor given his injury risk. He's a good passer, and he's a good rim runner, and I think he could potentially develop a 10 foot jumper. But, that's his ceiling as an offensive player, I think. That just doesn't seem all that valuable or hard to replace.
He hasn't played the last 4 games, and IMO, I barely notice it, honestly. I just don't know what he brings to the table that makes this team better, other than some flashy defensive plays at opportune moments every couple of weeks. I like Marcus, but I think he's best trade chip not named Jay or TL, and I think Brad needs to absolutely see what's out there for him, even if it's something that doesn't help this year, but will help next year and the years after that.
He's not untouchable. He's just our 3rd best building block and by the sounds of it, not actively being shopped. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be out the door if the team could acquire Ben Simmons, or maybe even Sabonis or Fox.
He's been a binkie of mine, too. Not at all ball-dominant, and with the attention defenses must pay Jaylen and Tatum, Huerter would get a ton of open looks.
I'm not getting hung up on the trade deadline. I agree with you that it will be quiet.
I don't think it will be quiet at all, though the blockbusters may wait for the summer.
His minutes this year have been over 60% at the 5, and much of that was before DeAndre Jordan was benched, so am guessing he was closer to 80% in the stretch before he got injured. Now that the Lakers have moved to not just bench Jordan but also leave Howard on the bench for many games even without Davis playing, I think it's pretty certain AD will be 85%+ at the 5 when (if?) he returns.
Ha, I misread your previous note.
I'd go with OPTION A.
I think at this point Stevens is calling teams with disgruntled/potentially disgruntled stars to find packages that will work. Salary-wise that means Smart & Richardson as the ballast (you could use Horford, but they do sort of need the second C). I'm just not sure who'd really want the pupu platter that's Aaromeo Smartardson.
Smart is like many veteran role players once they extend past their rookie contract. You can get similar value from smaller, more flexible deals while allocating these monies toward a max/near max impact player. This is one reason why I wasn’t a fan of extending him unless the idea was to do so and then move him as part of a larger deal.
This made me think
He's signed to a reasonable contract through 2025-2026. And you neglect to mention his defense. Blocks, steals, and improved quite a bit in his ability to be switched out onto a perimeter player and hold his own. Here's where clining the glass has him on defensive and rebounding:
Option B is a no brainer. You get some type of value even if it isn't great, you get to see which of the kids can handle a role going forward, you get under the tax. All that in exchange for 6 fewer wins.
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