2013/14 BC Basketball -- Coach D on the hot seat

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If Hanlan leaves and Anderson and Rahon transfer as has been reported, they won't win more than 5 games next year anyways. He should be gone next year, if the above happens. If all of them stay, we could be stuck in purgatory for quite awhile.
 
That story has been denied by both Anderson and Rahon. 
 

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I heard a funny story at the Denver airport today that BC restrained Donohue. Wait, that wasn't a joke??

Man, talk about job security. You can perform at 30% efficiency and at BC, if you are a coach you get retained, extended, when they finally fire you you get a nice golden handshake. Maybe I should post for a coaching job there.

Seriously, just a thought, but do you think he was extended to pay him to coach through his contract ( it expires next year) so as Moose says they don't have any more dead money but they start the interviewing process next fall and make a good hire for 2015? Say, Bruce Pearl? Just thinking out loud.
 

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If for some godawful reason they keep Donahue, the deciding factor will be that BC doesn't want to have to buyout Donahue and pay two head coaches at the same time, not because of a turnaround on the floor or the recruiting trail. 
  
Sounds like it wasn't Bates's decision and my worst fears came true.

This really sucks for the program.

BTW Auburn has expressed interest in hiring Bruce Pearl. Not sure he would have picked BC over them anyway with the way athletics is being run at the Heights.
 

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There's a three time national champion with an extremely thick boston accent who is jobless right now but I know there is a lot of bad blood between him and boston college
 

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There's a three time national champion with an extremely thick boston accent who is jobless right now but I know there is a lot of bad blood between him and boston college
 
If you are talking about Calhoun ... no way.  They can't hire a coach who's program was just out of the tourney for academic failings.
 

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Guess BC had no interest in Bruce Pearl (Boston native, BC Grad,former BC assistant coach) since they waited until the day he was hired at Auburn to can Donahue.
 

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So we fire an Ivy league coach just to hire a different Ivy league coach?
 
Edit: Just kidding, sort of.
They need to get away from the Ivy head coach.  I listed my candidates above, but the guys I'd focus on are Jeff Boals and Raphael Chillious.  Chillious has big ties to NE prep schools which would vastly upgrade their recruiting.  Boals is from the Thad Matta tree who would be successful given the track record of his assistants who are head coaches.
 

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Candidates I would go after: Mike Lonergan, Raphael Chillious, Chris Caputo Jeff Boals, Steve Pikiell, John Becker, Tommy Amaker.
you were just ripping on him the other day
 

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So we fire an Ivy league coach just to hire a different Ivy league coach?
 
Edit: Just kidding, sort of.
 
I'm a (University of) Michigan guy who grew up in the Boston area rooting for BC hoops (still do).
 
I am not a Tommy Amaker fan.
 
He got his first shot as a big-boy head coach at Seton Hall in the Big East back when it was still a powerful conference, and he had an up-and-down record there.  However, there were folks connected to the program that were not at all sad to see him go.
 
Michigan was his next big-boy gig.  He was an awful recruiter that was hired after Michigan bottomed out in the wake of the Ed Martin booster scandal.  The teams were really bleh, there was little talent, and Amaker was viewed as a carpetbagger who was still looking to cash in on the Coach K halo.  Goodbye and good riddance there.
 
He's obviously done a good job at Harvard, but as Donahue (apparently) also showed, the Ivy League is a bit more of an even playing field athlete-wise for obvious reasons.  You get the occasional upper-tier player come through, and when they do you make hay.  Donahue had that at Cornell with Wittman.
 
Part of Donahue's downfall at BC seems to be related to recruiting.  Based on Amaker's track record, I wouldn't expect a ton of improvement here... he hasn't shown a great deal of ability to compete in either the old Big East or the Big Ten.  He might get you to the middle of the league.  If that's okay with the Bald Eagles, then go for it.
 
Otherwise, I'd look elsewhere...
 

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I'm a (University of) Michigan guy who grew up in the Boston area rooting for BC hoops (still do).
 
I am not a Tommy Amaker fan.
 
He got his first shot as a big-boy head coach at Seton Hall in the Big East back when it was still a powerful conference, and he had an up-and-down record there.  However, there were folks connected to the program that were not at all sad to see him go.
 
Michigan was his next big-boy gig.  He was an awful recruiter that was hired after Michigan bottomed out in the wake of the Ed Martin booster scandal.  The teams were really bleh, there was little talent, and Amaker was viewed as a carpetbagger who was still looking to cash in on the Coach K halo.  Goodbye and good riddance there.
 
He's obviously done a good job at Harvard, but as Donahue (apparently) also showed, the Ivy League is a bit more of an even playing field athlete-wise for obvious reasons.  You get the occasional upper-tier player come through, and when they do you make hay.  Donahue had that at Cornell with Wittman.
 
Part of Donahue's downfall at BC seems to be related to recruiting.  Based on Amaker's track record, I wouldn't expect a ton of improvement here... he hasn't shown a great deal of ability to compete in either the old Big East or the Big Ten.  He might get you to the middle of the league.  If that's okay with the Bald Eagles, then go for it.
 
Otherwise, I'd look elsewhere...
 
Tommy would never take the BC job.  At best, you're the 6th best program in the conference (Duke, UNC, Cuse, Pitt, Loisville are just better programs).  After that you still have NC State, Notre Dame, Virginia.  Why wouldn't Tommy just stay at Harvard until a bigger program came calling?  And btw, that program might be Duke in a few years.  Coach K would probably not be happy with Tommy taking the BC job either. 
 
Howland also wouldn't take the BC job.  Too many better programs will come calling this summer.
 
Mike Hopkins (Syracuse coach in waiting) would be a good option and it's starting to get some attention from a few guys in the media. 
 
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Dick Pole Upside said:
 
I'm a (University of) Michigan guy who grew up in the Boston area rooting for BC hoops (still do).
 
I am not a Tommy Amaker fan.
 
He got his first shot as a big-boy head coach at Seton Hall in the Big East back when it was still a powerful conference, and he had an up-and-down record there.  However, there were folks connected to the program that were not at all sad to see him go.
 
Michigan was his next big-boy gig.  He was an awful recruiter that was hired after Michigan bottomed out in the wake of the Ed Martin booster scandal.  The teams were really bleh, there was little talent, and Amaker was viewed as a carpetbagger who was still looking to cash in on the Coach K halo.  Goodbye and good riddance there.
 
He's obviously done a good job at Harvard, but as Donahue (apparently) also showed, the Ivy League is a bit more of an even playing field athlete-wise for obvious reasons.  You get the occasional upper-tier player come through, and when they do you make hay.  Donahue had that at Cornell with Wittman.
 
Part of Donahue's downfall at BC seems to be related to recruiting.  Based on Amaker's track record, I wouldn't expect a ton of improvement here... he hasn't shown a great deal of ability to compete in either the old Big East or the Big Ten.  He might get you to the middle of the league.  If that's okay with the Bald Eagles, then go for it.
 
Otherwise, I'd look elsewhere...
I agree with this. I want someone who can recruit, specificall recruit ACC country, not (solely) New England prep school kids. Maybe someone that can steal those kids from DC and Maryland who grew up on Maryland but want to play in the ACC, not the B1G. No reason BC can't, at the least, out-recruit Wake and UVA, even after this year. Give me K's sloppy seconds, please, but in the other way.
 

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Tommy would never take the BC job.  At best, you're the 6th best program in the conference (Duke, UNC, Cuse, Pitt, Loisville are just better programs).  After that you still have NC State, Notre Dame, Virginia.  Why wouldn't Tommy just stay at Harvard until a bigger program came calling?  And btw, that program might be Duke in a few years.  Coach K would probably not be happy with Tommy taking the BC job either. 
 
Howland also wouldn't take the BC job.  Too many better programs will come calling this summer.
 
Mike Hopkins (Syracuse coach in waiting) would be a good option and it's starting to get some attention from a few guys in the media. 
 
Funny ... I have heard just the opposite.  Howland really wants a job and looks like there haven't been many takers so far.  Amaker's wife has a great job in town and BC would allow Amaker to move up in pay and stature without moving.  Also, he's had two bites in major conferences, Wojo is Coach K's heir apparent, not him, and that "other higher profile gig" may not come.  NC St? ND? UVA?  Sure they're bigger but I am not sure they're worth holding out for if he's presented with a good paying ACC opportunity that meets his lifestyle needs.
 
And from what I've heard, Hopkins wouldn't take the BC job. 
 
Let me be clear ... I don't want Amaker and I think Howland is a bit of "yawn".  BC has nothing to lose.  We are already irrelevant.  Swing for the fences and take a chance on a guy like Pat Skerry or Masiello and hope they are the next big thing. I could care less about being a stepping stone.
 

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Funny ... I have heard just the opposite.  Howland really wants a job and looks like there haven't been many takers so far.  Amaker's wife has a great job in town and BC would allow Amaker to move up in pay and stature without moving.  Also, he's had two bites in major conferences, Wojo is Coach K's heir apparent, not him, and that "other higher profile gig" may not come.  NC St? ND? UVA?  Sure they're bigger but I am not sure they're worth holding out for if he's presented with a good paying ACC opportunity that meets his lifestyle needs.
 
And from what I've heard, Hopkins wouldn't take the BC job. 
 
Let me be clear ... I don't want Amaker and I think Howland is a bit of "yawn".  BC has nothing to lose.  We are already irrelevant.  Swing for the fences and take a chance on a guy like Pat Skerry or Masiello and hope they are the next big thing. I could care less about being a stepping stone.
 
A few years ago, Jason Williams told me he had been told Wojo was told he was the next guy.  Jay Bilas has told me there is no plan in place to replace K.  Could be Tommy, could be Wojo, could be Chris Collins or Bobby Hurley even.  My point is Tommy taking the BC job would probably kill that chance, because coach K doesn't like coaching against his former assistants and doesn't want them in the ACC.  I didn't mean those other ACC teams would offer Tommy, I meant he could have a decent job in another conference.
 
Howland wants a job for sure, but I don't see him taking the BC job.  Everything I have heard is he believes he is way above taking a job at a non-elite program. Guy always had an ego the size of Texas, which is why he failed at UCLA.
 

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Amaker would take the BC job in a cocaine heartbeat.
 
Amaker is an idiot if he's gunning for the Duke job post-Coach K.  Hell, if that job is Wojo's, I think he's a fool also... that is one of those "replace a legend" jobs that is no-win.
 
Amaker would take BC, and would absolutely crawl to Durham over broken glass to replace Wojo.
 
But Amaker is nowhere near as good as people are saying.
 

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Also read that Wake Forest has Shaka Smart and Howland as their top candidates.  Smart probably won't go there and he is probably too expensive for BC as well (he's looking for $2+ million), but it never hurts to pick up the phone Brad.
 

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Maybe the rest the last couple of years has helped but I thought he was breaking down. Taking all the other stuff out why would BC want to hire an almost 72 year old coach who clearly wasn't healthy.
 

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8 scholarships in 2015.  Calhoun could turn the team around in 2-3 years and pass it off. 
 
I forgot that Smart turned down UCLA.  No way he goes to Wake.  Probably waits for Coach K to retire or Calipari jets to the NBA. 
 
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8 scholarships in 2015.  Calhoun could turn the team around in 2-3 years and pass it off. 
 
I forgot that Smart turned down UCLA.  No way he goes to Wake.  Probably waits for Coach K to retire or Calipari jets to the NBA. 
Wake or BC are steps down for him at this point I think. But the top 6 ACC jobs won't hire him either.
 
maybe if Bo Ryan retires and Tony Bennett gets that job (his father is basically God in the state), i can see Smart going to UVA.
 

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So it sounds more and more like this is going to happen....
No it doesn't, at least not to me.  It sounds to me like somebody asked Calhoun if he'd be interested if BC came calling and he said yes.  Nothing has come from BC sources saying they are interested in talking to him. 
 

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No it doesn't, at least not to me.  It sounds to me like somebody asked Calhoun if he'd be interested if BC came calling and he said yes.  Nothing has come from BC sources saying they are interested in talking to him. 
oops I read the Wojo tweet wrong, I read that there was mutual interest, my bad
 

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Red,
 
After years of the BC basketball program shitting on me, I'd have no problem looking like a hypocrite. But this is BC. We'll pass and hire some jackass from Towson, Manhattan, etc.
Unfortunately BSF, you are so correct. Here's my question. Did BB hire a basketball coach at Miami. If so, look at some of the guys he looked at in that process. He was talking with Dazz about the football job out there remember? These guys have their own lists of guys in all the major sports. BB is no different. Doubt Calhoun is on that list.

And....don't forget Leahy is still the prez and this hire has to get past him. The lawsuit, UConn's academic issues and sanctions are all negatives to this happening. Plus the point shaving scandal just reared it's ugly head again, 35 years after it happened, so BC is real sensitive to controversial basketball hires. Would be very surprised if this happened.

Like the football hires, history tends to repeat itself in these things. Most BC coaches came from Northeast mid major schools (St Bonaventure, Lafayette, American,URI, Cornell). BSF is right that the new coach will come from the MAAC, A10, Patriot, Ivy, etc.
 

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After his comments about BC when they left for the ACC, I can't imagine they would hire him.
Exactly, there is a better chance of finding the missing airliner on the same island as LOST then Calhoun being the next coach. Even though fuck face DiFlippo is gone, Yukon sued Leahey personally. Fuck him as far as I'm concerned he's gonna get the same treatment as Lou Holtz will when get they both croak