2013 Boston College Football...From A Spaz to a A Dazz

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Nova are pretty good this year from what I've read.
 
They are a good little FCS team.  Nice scheme, obviously very well coached.   But physically they are very much overmatched.  It is very similar to the Army game last year
 

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Very true. Did anyone really expect Daz to be a good game coach? There was very little evidence of this.
 
There is little evidence that he's good at anything other than talking.  I'm trying to think of the last coach who had trouble recruiting football players to the University of Florida.
 

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They are a good little FCS team.  Nice scheme, obviously very well coached.   But physically they are very much overmatched.  It is very similar to the Army game last year


Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.
 

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taking a defensive timeout when nova just took a timeout seems like bad coaching too
 

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So a delay of game penalty after a kickoff.   And now blowing a timout after a timeout.   Come on
 

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This is a 2-3 win team again. All because little Napoleon couldn't just swallow his pride and let Jags leave.
 
2-3 wins?  Which games would those be?  If this is a 2-win team, today has to be one of those wins.
 

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Daz is a recruiter. He's never been a good game coach. He did get aaron henandez out of bristol and had his high school teams doing PEDs, so he's a "win at all costs" kind of guy
 
How are you guys liking the Don Brown experience? He will blitz and play 9+ near te line of scrimmage a lot, especially if he has decent CBs like he had at Uconn last year. expect to give up a lot of WTF big plays and make a lot of tackles/sacks for losses all season. It can be really fun to watch, but when offenses adjust, you'll see a lot of crossing patterns and misdirection.
 

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Daz is a recruiter. He's never been a good game coach. He did get aaron henandez out of bristol and had his high school teams doing PEDs, so he's a "win at all costs" kind of guy
 
How are you guys liking the Don Brown experience? He will blitz and play 9+ near te line of scrimmage a lot, especially if he has decent CBs like he had at Uconn last year. expect to give up a lot of WTF big plays and make a lot of tackles/sacks for losses all season. It can be really fun to watch, but when offenses adjust, you'll see a lot of crossing patterns and misdirection.


Good call. I'm new to watching college football, but BCs already been burned on a few misdirections in its first half of this game.
 

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Clears Cleaver said:
Daz is a recruiter. He's never been a good game coach. He did get aaron henandez out of bristol and had his high school teams doing PEDs, so he's a "win at all costs" kind of guy
 
How are you guys liking the Don Brown experience? He will blitz and play 9+ near te line of scrimmage a lot, especially if he has decent CBs like he had at Uconn last year. expect to give up a lot of WTF big plays and make a lot of tackles/sacks for losses all season. It can be really fun to watch, but when offenses adjust, you'll see a lot of crossing patterns and misdirection.
 
How can you complain about Don Brown?  Don Brown's defense at UConn last year was the best defense UConn will EVER have.  It was amazing.
 
Don Brown is not the problem here.  This BC team has a massive O-line and is picking up 2 yards per carry against a 1-AA team.
 

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They are scary bad. But didn't everyone day on this thread over the last year that they had FCS talent at most positions. I think I read that quite a bit. Nova is ranked #5 in the FCS polls.

BC, talent wise, looks like a mid level FCS team at this point. Understand it's the first game and the first half at that but there is no adjusting going on here. BC as an FBS BCS program should not be having this much trouble. Not for nothing but Spaz was undefeated against the CAA. Just sayin.
 

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BigSoxFan said:
This is a 2-3 win team again. All because little Napoleon couldn't just swallow his pride and let Jags leave.
 This teams decline started with Jags.   Recruiting was already in a tailspin before he left
 
Clears Cleaver said:
Daz is a recruiter. He's never been a good game coach. He did get aaron henandez out of bristol and had his high school teams doing PEDs, so he's a "win at all costs" kind of guy
 
How are you guys liking the Don Brown experience? He will blitz and play 9+ near te line of scrimmage a lot, especially if he has decent CBs like he had at Uconn last year. expect to give up a lot of WTF big plays and make a lot of tackles/sacks for losses all season. It can be really fun to watch, but when offenses adjust, you'll see a lot of crossing patterns and misdirection.
 
How hard was it to recruit Aaron Hernandez to Florida?    Hey Aaron, come to Florida  you can smoke all the weed you want,  Do pretty much whatever you want off the field, 
 
Ugh after a complete git from Noca,  BC fumbles it back.  I still think they will win this game, because they are clearly more talented,  but this has been an absolute trainwreck half of football, and they are very lucky they are not down 2 or more TDs
 

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How can you complain about Don Brown?  Don Brown's defense at UConn last year was the best defense UConn will EVER have.  It was amazing.
 
Don Brown is not the problem here.  This BC team has a massive O-line and is picking up 2 yards per carry against a 1-AA team.
 
I'm not complaining, jsut stating facts. he had six NFL players on his defense including the two CBs. but, I watched every game and I can tell you they get burned by big plays all the time becasue he gets too aggressive. but, they put a lot of pressure on the QB and it can be fun. when teams adjust to the pressure, his defnese got beat repeatedly by crossing patterns behind the LBs (who play so close to the line) and going wide outside the 8-9 guys in the box. your CBs and S had better be good tacklers in his schemes.
 
I've watched about 10 snaps of this game and he only had that heavy pressure a couple times. Villanova a passing team? I have no idea. Seemed the QB just runs around a lot
 

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I'm not complaining, jsut stating facts. he had six NFL players on his defense including the two CBs. but, I watched every game and I can tell you they get burned by big plays all the time becasue he gets too aggressive. but, they put a lot of pressure on the QB and it can be fun. when teams adjust to the pressure, his defnese got beat repeatedly by crossing patterns behind the LBs (who play so close to the line) and going wide outside the 8-9 guys in the box. your CBs and S had better be good tacklers in his schemes.
 
I've watched about 10 snaps of this game and he only had that heavy pressure a couple times. Villanova a passing team? I have no idea. Seemed the QB just runs around a lot
 
His defense last year gave up 4.6 yards per play.  It was one of the best in the nation, so apparently teams weren't "adjusting to the pressure" very often.  Having watched most of the games, I don't remember many teams beating UConn repeatedly on defense, let alone as simply as you make it sound above.
 
Again, Don Brown - not the problem.  BC has 7 points at halftime against a 1-AA opponent.
 

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Another horrible playcall (execution)  there on 3rd and 3?   Yeah lets send out best WR on a pattern straight down the line of scrimmage
 

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285 passing yards. 128 rushing I believe. Shut out Villanova in the last 3 quarters.

FWIW in Spaz's 4 years he had only 2 wins when behind at the half. Dazz already had half as many. Next Friday night will be a nice test to see where this team is
 

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285 passing yards. 128 rushing I believe. Shut out Villanova in the last 3 quarters.

FWIW in Spaz's 4 years he had only 2 wins when behind at the half. Dazz already had half as many. Next Friday night will be a nice test to see where this team is
 
Yes I guess winning from behind at the half is a good thing.   But at the same time, behind behind a completely outmatched Nova squad at the half was an utter embarrassment. 
 
They have gotten this scrimmage out of the way.  No idea if we can take anything away from it other than a win.   Next week we start to see what they have, facing an equally poor FBS team in Wake
 

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as i just posted over on outsider
 
by Mosi on Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:26 am
like others have covered there was the good the bad and the ugly out there yesterday

the Good
HALF TIME ADJUSTMENTS when was the last time that happened
Chase looked like a legit QB again, he should spend the next couple years holding a clipboard on Sundays
Williams running strong, until the hamstring tweek
Staff saw enough in Woford to move to another position, other then bouncing players back and forth between OL and DL when did 
 ever do that?

The Bad
spent the whole first half up in QQ saying 'their FCS'ers are better then our FCS'ers'
soft area about 10 yards downfield over the middle that 'Nova kept dropping ball into
Runing game sans Williams

the Ugly
Crowd announced at 32k? might have been a little inflated 
Sweet Caroline/Buttercup gawd i hate those fucking songs
all of the introductions, seemed like there was one every timeout, when they introduced the medical staff and the got to you know who, the 3 of us all said at the same time KEVORKIAN

a win is a win is a win, coulda been like K-State
 

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I'm surprised to see the Eagles favored tomorrow night.  How bad can Wake Forest be?
Most likely because it is a home game for BC. I would think it is a pick 'em game for the most part. This a game between 2 cellar dwellers who both are trying to rebuild. Friday night, at home, no travel for BC whereas Wake is travelling on an odd practice week...may account for the BC favorite role.
 
Next Saturday is when reality hits.....high noon (PT)  when the Christians are thrown to the Lions in the Coliseum.  Will be there....anyone else joining me???
 

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Nice barometer game tonight. This is a week ACC team at home. Will be interesting to see how much improvement we see from week one.
 

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Coaching staff doing their job tonight. It's all about execution. Amidon wide open on the flea flicker and chase throws and INT. love the def game plan.
 

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Jim Grobe has been a real good coach for a long time, but my god this Wake Forest team is beyond awful.  This is as bad or worse than any of the Spaz year teams for BC.  I find it hard to imagine Tanner Price actually showed he could execute this offense in practice. Every single time they called the option it looked like the first time he ever ran the play.  No clue at all on how to execute the reads, and he pitched the ball like someone threw a hand grenade in his hand and he had to get rid of it. 
 
BC looked a ton better than they did last week. 
 

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BC looking they might be respectable this year - showed some real toughness on those goalline stands
 

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Interesting stats to look at. BC have as many wins this year as they had all last year. Wake had only 55 rushing yards tonight.

BC defense has equaled their sack total tonight for all of last year. Slowly they are building some confidence. Next week will be tough no doubt but who knows?

Takeaways: wake sucks and BC beat an inferior opponent. Both wins were against weaker teams. That is a step in the right direction. That didn't happen last year (Army).

Now the schedule gets serious. They play USC next week and FSU in 3 weeks.
 

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Getting Brown from UConn was huge. The guy is just a fantastic D coach and the results are showing.

I think Addazio was trying to make a statement in the second half and show his OL that they could line up and play smashmouth. I don't expect this to be the offense as they will struggle against USC and FSU if they try to do this.

Next week is the next measuring point. Lets see where they are on the road against a clearly better opponent. I do like the trend ...
 

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I think smashmouth may actually be the way to go next week. USC is really banged up on the defensive line and not very deep. If BC can run it early...(can't believe I'm saying this) they may have a chance to win.
 

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Captain and the rest of you.....BC will win next week. Did anybody see the Wazoo game last night?? Lane Kiffin sucks as a coach. Donny Brown will dial up a D attack to totally take SC out if their game.

Out here in LA they are calling for his scalp after the loss last night. To Wazoo!!!

BC will play ball control offense and high pressure defense. This will be a close game and as I have been saying....BC will win. Watch
 

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Wish I could be there but conflicts prevent me from making the trip. Decided on going to the Clemson game in Oct.

One game at a time but this game has gone from looking completely unwinnable to a "we got a chance" game.
 

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Under most circumstances, having the favorite coming off a bad loss would be a disadvantage to BC.  But in this case, I think it's going to be the opposite.  There were at least 2-3 times last season that I thought USC was set up nicely for a bounce-back game after a sloppy performance.  Every time, they lost the next game or played poorly again.  This is a soft, undisciplined team that BC is facing next week.  They have a massive talent advantage, but there are plenty of kids in that locker room ready to lay down and expedite Kiffin's departure.  Also, their huge homefield advantage is disintegrating, since the fanbase is on the verge of turning from disgust to apathy - I expect a ton of empty seats and a pretty quiet Coliseum.  We could not ask for a better setup.
 

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Kind of reeminds me of those ND teams that BC best for 7 or 8 striught years. On paper, they were miles ahead of the Eagles. But they could never put it together and had yesar after year of mediocre teams. This is winnable but things have to fall right. It will be hot this week, dry heat. That is one thing that USC has going for it in that it is a home game, BC travels 3000 miles, and the possibility of wearing down due toth weather is there. It is a noon start local time so they will be playing in the heat of the day.  We'lll see.
 

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Did you watch them play against Hawaii and WSU? They are not the world beaters you make them out to be.

That said, noone on here other than Carbo is predicting a win. And he's been on that train since Spaz was fired.

It's just fun to think we can be competitive. I think it's within 10 pts in the 4th.
 

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Kind of reeminds me of those ND teams that BC best for 7 or 8 striught years. On paper, they were miles ahead of the Eagles. But they could never put it together and had yesar after year of mediocre teams. This is winnable but things have to fall right. It will be hot this week, dry heat. That is one thing that USC has going for it in that it is a home game, BC travels 3000 miles, and the possibility of wearing down due toth weather is there. It is a noon start local time so they will be playing in the heat of the day.  We'lll see.
That comparison rings true to me, and I'm glad the shoe is finally on the other foot in the rivalry with USC. However, even though Tom O'Brien is not a popular figure at Boston College, his teams were miles ahead of the version that will enter the Coliseum on Saturday.

I will say this in BC's favor. Although USC is a talented team, it lacks quality upperclassmen depth due to the lingering effects of NCAA sanctions. I don't think USC is the quite underachievers the media makes them out to be.
 

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doldmoose34 said:
If he who desk not be named part 2 were still on the sidelines we'd be 0-2 right now
maybe, but we'll never know or have to find out. But lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. He never had a problem beating overmatched FCS opponents. The so mighty Nova got beat by Fordham and the immortal Michael Neibrich this week.

wake who has given BC fits in the past is absolutely pathetic this year, and can't get out of their own way on offense

will be interesting to see this week. USC is not very good especially at the most important position
 

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maybe, but we'll never know or have to find out. But lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. He never had a problem beating overmatched FCS opponents, and wake is absolutely pathetic this year

will be interesting to see this week. USC is not very good especially at the most important position
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Mike footballs Grady would have fucked it up somehow, you think he would've made changes at halftime vs 'nova?
 

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Didn't I call the Dazz hire?

Look, I know I've been totally ridiculous about this but honestly they have a legitimate chance at this. They will pressure USC on defense and watch for a ton of play action on offense.

As Domer says the NCAA sanctions are really settling in. I know Villanova sucks and Wake is weak but SC beat a very shaky Hawaii team and lost to a bad Wazoo team. Hell they rushed for less than 60 yards. Donny Brown will set up a very aggressive D. They have nothing to lose. They are 15 point under dogs at last look

It lines up good for them. They have an extra day to practice, they fly out here to LA Wednesday night. They practice at noontime on Thursday and Friday to get used to the weather and time change.

If they lose I will be the first to apologize to all of you for going on and on about this game. But look at all the upsides if they actually win this thing. And if they do win, you heard it here first!!

Go Eagles.
 

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Didn't I call the Dazz hire?

Look, I know I've been totally ridiculous about this but honestly they have a legitimate chance at this. They will pressure USC on defense and watch for a ton of play action on offense.

As Domer says the NCAA sanctions are really settling in. I know Villanova sucks and Wake is weak but SC beat a very shaky Hawaii team and lost to a bad Wazoo team. Hell they rushed for less than 60 yards. Donny Brown will set up a very aggressive D. They have nothing to lose. They are 15 point under dogs at last look

It lines up good for them. They have an extra day to practice, they fly out here to LA Wednesday night. They practice at noontime on Thursday and Friday to get used to the weather and time change.

If they lose I will be the first to apologize to all of you for going on and on about this game. But look at all the upsides if they actually win this thing. And if they do win, you heard it here first!!

Go Eagles.
 
What exactly are the upsides if they win this thing? A 6-6 team becomes a 7-5 team? You're basically saying we're going to beat USC because they're not that good and poorly coached.  It doesn't mean we're going to tear through our ACC schedule if USC is a paper tiger.
 
I mean, I hope BC finds a way to win it, it'd be momentarily awesome, but I don't think it would really change this team much.  Which is OK.  We've won these early games that would have been a problem the last few years.  The program looks and feels much better already, I'll take these baby steps.  But a win against USC wouldn't fundamentally change much, in my opinion.
 

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What exactly are the upsides if they win this thing? A 6-6 team becomes a 7-5 team? You're basically saying we're going to beat USC because they're not that good and poorly coached.  It doesn't mean we're going to tear through our ACC schedule if USC is a paper tiger.
 
I mean, I hope BC finds a way to win it, it'd be momentarily awesome, but I don't think it would really change this team much.  Which is OK.  We've won these early games that would have been a problem the last few years.  The program looks and feels much better already, I'll take these baby steps.  But a win against USC wouldn't fundamentally change much, in my opinion.
Respectability nationally, recruiting and it gives you a legitimate chance to have a winning schedule. Given where they were, I think those are some pretty good takeaways.
 

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Myles Willis returning kicks. SC up 21-0 late 3rd they've got much better athletes period

Not going to 2nd guess going on 4th from SC 45, showed more balls then he who won't be named showed in 4 years
 

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Moose ... I'm with you on going for it. Maybe I choose another play. Sneak perhaps?

That said, you can't get hit in the backfield from the week side. Awful.

USC is better than they looked last week. It's all a learning process. I expect a better effort in two weeks against FSU (relax ... not predicting a win).
 

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Ok. I was wrong. They got spanked. I was sitting in row52 on 20 yd line behind the BC bench. SC is faster and stronger than BC. I was hopeful especially when they moved the ball early. But SC adjusted and Rettig was under pressure all day. The secondary was exploited all day. They put a safety on Marquis Lee. That's not gonna work.

It was brutally hot today and the D wore down. Even though they lost I saw some good things. Overall I am still optimistic more to follow