2013 Jets: Rex back for 2014

[dcmissle]

I don't have a problem with bravado and cockiness. It's the firing his agents. Seems rash.

Also slow eyes was what I was thinking of with cosell. Waldman mentioned that to a lesser degree (and phrased in a less degrading manner).

 
 
I think it's a punk move, indiscriminate lashing out at someone who obviously had no impact on where he was drafted.
 
It's logical to wonder, how long before his o-line gets thrown under the bus?

 

[tims4wins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1piy8Zxddw

 

[Super Nomario]

I don't have a problem with bravado and cockiness. It's the firing his agents. Seems rash.

Also slow eyes was what I was thinking of with cosell. Waldman mentioned that to a lesser degree (and phrased in a less degrading manner).

I don't think it was degrading; that's just what Cosell calls that particular trait:
 

One final point with Smith, and this is the one that most troubles me. Quite honestly, I do not know if this can be rectified or not. Some I have talked to say yes, others no. It’s what I call "slow eyes." Smith consistently took an extra beat to pull the trigger on well defined throws that were there. It was particularly noticeable, but not limited to, play action, which provides more clarity and definition for the quarterback since it’s almost always an either-or read. If it’s an anticipation issue, that’s something that must be looked at very closely.

He has positives to say about Smith, too.
 
The Nawrocki thing - now that was degrading:

Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.

 

[Shelterdog]

I think it's a punk move, indiscriminate lashing out at someone who obviously had no impact on where he was drafted.
 
It's logical to wonder, how long before his o-line gets thrown under the bus?

 
 
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on firing his agents: there are a lot of punk players but there are a lot of shady agents and I have no reason to pick a side. 

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Honestly, having an inflated ego seems to be a prerequisite for a successful NFL career. 

 
I agree with you that inflated ego is prerequisite for a lot of QBs,, but there are signs that what Geno Smith has is a different, and far more alarming trait.
 
From Jason Cole. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--geno-smith-s-firing-of-agents--pre-draft-actions-shed-light-on-why-qb-dropped-183846651.html
 

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.
 
"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft. "I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches … he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

 
and this bit:
 

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."
 
Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.
 
"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

 
A few early losses on a below-average team may humble him quickly, but if he isn't willing to be coached Jets have a different problem altogether. 

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I think Smith has more physical talent than a lot of people have given him credit for.  And he was a legitimately great player at the college level.  But these stories really have me wondering whether the New York market might eat him alive.

 

[Doug Beerabelli]

Slow eyes, or calm eyes?  
 
Perhaps he has an elegant gait, too.

 

[Zedia]

The Nawrocki analysis is awesome. His summary is very negative, too.

By the way, Nawrocki's critique of Barkley mentioned that he "does not have quick-eyes." Is saying someone has "slow eyes" some kind of offensive slur?

 

[dbn]

My analysis is simple.  When he had time in the pocket and speedy receivers open all over the field, he looked great; when he didn't, he looked terrible.  I predict bust.
 
[edit: That was a pretty weak post, let me add more content.  What I mean is that I think he'll follow in the long line of QBs who looked great at times in college when the offense they were leading was much better than the defense they were facing, but can't make the tough throws that a successful pro QB needs to be able to make.  IMO, he did not even look like a great college QB at times.]

 

[SMU_Sox]

Slow-eyed is not a racial term.
 
Sloe-eyed might be. I've heard people say it is not PC and racist. I've also heard people say it is fine - it is just describing almond like shape eyes. Slant-eyed might be the term you are thinking of that is definitely racist.
 
To me slow-eyed is rude - seems like a mean spirited way to call someone not the best reader. Look, I always error on the side of PC and safe. I realize that I'm way over-cautious.

 

[soxfan121]

I agree with you that inflated ego is prerequisite for a lot of QBs,, but there are signs that what Geno Smith has is a different, and far more alarming trait.
 
From Jason Cole. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--geno-smith-s-firing-of-agents--pre-draft-actions-shed-light-on-why-qb-dropped-183846651.html
 
 
and this bit:
 
 
A few early losses on a below-average team may humble him quickly, but if he isn't willing to be coached Jets have a different problem altogether. 

 
Those scouting reports are the best thing this Patriots fan has read all week. Wow. 

 

[Tony C]

Isn't getting the cockiness beat out of you what a QB's rookie season is all about? I mean the guy sounds like a total self-entitled jerk and probably more so than the average NFL qb entitled jerk (though he reminds me of Cutler). And I don't doubt that'll cause him some tough times. But he won't be unusual in that respect and it seems to me if you had to choose between the guy with the physical skills and an a-hole attitude vs the reverse we'd all choose the former.
 
Now the stuff about slow eyes/not quick eyes is more promising (from a Jets-hating pov) if true. 

 

[steveluck7]

The only thing that will make the schadenfreude less sweet is that the Jets didn't blow a top 10 pick on him

 

[shoebooty]

To see the Jets go from the enigma that is Sanchez straight to a rookie with an inflated ego is delicious. In New York where everything gets weeded out and dissected these reports if true will be sports gold.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Of course, now Deadspin is on it with an angle from "someone close to" Smith:
 
http://deadspin.com/why-did-geno-smith-really-fire-his-agents-486231452
 

We spoke to a person close to Geno Smith, because while a player switching agencies isn't unique, it's often done for interesting reasons. Our source says that while Select Sports "absolutely told Geno he'd go No. 1," that was at the beginning of their partnership, and it's par for the course for agents to promise their clients the world. Smith is less bothered by that promise, the person says, than by Nalley and Burkhardt attempting to portray it as the sole reason for his move.
 
Smith, we're told, was more upset that Select Sports handled him like a potential high pick, failing to do the sorts of things that could have improved his draft position. Our source says Smith wanted to take part in the Senior Bowl, a showcase for talent looking to move up, but his agents convinced him to skip it. When Pro Football Weekly issued a scathing scouting report, calling Smith "not committed or focused" and deriding his "marginal work ethic," Smith was disappointed that his agents did nothing to combat the negative press it created, our source says.
 
Smith also felt betrayed, perhaps unfairly, when Jeff Nalley had two of his quarterback clients sign with teams that might have been landing spots for Smith—Chase Daniel in Kansas City and Kevin Kolb in Buffalo. (This argument doesn't hold much water after the Bills traded down to take E.J. Manuel.)Our source—and, remember, this is someone from Smith's camp talking—claims Smith came to terms with his potential draft plunge weeks before the draft, and takes the blame for not being as polished a prospect as he could have been, both on and off the field.

 
Let the NY media continue to feed on this throughout the offseason. Don't let the flame die! 

 

[Deca DuraBONDSin]

Slow eyes, or calm eyes?  
 
Perhaps he has an elegant gait, too.

Perhaps he has hungry eyes

 

[TomRicardo]

Geno Smith is the perfect successor for Mark Sanchez. 

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

In other non-Geno news, Jets move Coples outside.
 
From what I recall that's what Jets ran him first to find him a spot, eventually settling in as a DE. That certainly didn't produce like a #16 overall pick would. (It's also the same DE to LB move they tried with Gholston, although it's way too early to label him a bust). 
 
There there was this part of the draft report coming out of college:
 

Negatives:
Marginal competitor — left a lot of production on the field and does not apply himself.  Will let his pads rise and play tall. Does not sell out around piles. Lackadaisical, half-hearted effort and backside pursuit — shut it down as a senior to preserve his body and was playing not to get hurt. Led the ACC in loafs. Marginal 20-yard shuttle (4.79 seconds) and 3-cone time (7.61 seconds) at the Combine. Has a sense of entitlement and too often relies on his natural talent. Immature. 
 
Summary:
A top-10 physical talent who lacks the heart, desire and glass-eating makeup desired in the trenches and must ratchet up the intensity if he wants to play against the big boys in the pros. Has natural core power and flexibility reminiscent of Oakland Raiders DT Richard Seymour and could be a perennial Pro Bowl performer at multiple positions and excel in multiple schemes if he wants to be. Has bust potential. 

 
Hoping it's a motivational/entitlement issue

 

[Super Nomario]

In other non-Geno news, Jets move Coples outside.
 
From what I recall that's what Jets ran him first to find him a spot, eventually settling in as a DE. That certainly didn't produce like a #16 overall pick would. (It's also the same DE to LB move they tried with Gholston, although it's way too early to label him a bust). 

Coples was actually pretty decent last year - 5.5 sacks in 500-something snaps as a 3-4 DE is nothing to sneeze at. PFF ranked him the #8 pass-rushing 3-4 DE. His numbers weren't a heck of a lot different than Chander Jones'.
 
I do think this move is a bit curious. Coples is really athletic for a 3-4 DE but nothing special for a OLB. It seems like they would get better pass-rush leaving Coples at end and putting a JAG pass-rusher at OLB. Maybe you don't get a 10-sack guy that way, but you might get two 6- or 7- sack guys.

 

[H78]

I had no idea Smith was such a douchebag who seemingly thinks he's going to get by on physical talent alone.
 
Couldn't have found a better team. As if it needed to be any easier to hate the Jets.

 

[Shelterdog]

Coples was actually pretty decent last year - 5.5 sacks in 500-something snaps as a 3-4 DE is nothing to sneeze at. PFF ranked him the #8 pass-rushing 3-4 DE. His numbers weren't a heck of a lot different than Chander Jones'.
 
I do think this move is a bit curious. Coples is really athletic for a 3-4 DE but nothing special for a OLB. It seems like they would get better pass-rush leaving Coples at end and putting a JAG pass-rusher at OLB. Maybe you don't get a 10-sack guy that way, but you might get two 6- or 7- sack guys.

 
He was nominally a 3-4 end but he largely played on 4 man lines or funky Rex creations, generally in sub packages.  You'd have to chart it to get the answer but I'll bet he was playing a 3-4 DE less than a quarter of the time.

 

[Cornboy14]

I thought Coples looked best when he rushed from the inside.

 

[Shelterdog]

I thought Coples looked best when he rushed from the inside.

Agreed.  Especially when the Jets were moving blitzers all over the place and got Coples in one on ones.

 

[Super Nomario]

He was nominally a 3-4 end but he largely played on 4 man lines or funky Rex creations, generally in sub packages.  You'd have to chart it to get the answer but I'll bet he was playing a 3-4 DE less than a quarter of the time.

That makes sense, and I imagine Rex will still be finding creative uses for his front seven rather than using Coples as just a traditional 3-4 OLB. But still, if he wants to get more pass rushers on the field, you would think he would do that by moving players to where they're borderline run defenders and good pass rushers rather than move them to positions where they're good run defenders and borderline pass rushers.

 

[Shelterdog]

That makes sense, and I imagine Rex will still be finding creative uses for his front seven rather than using Coples as just a traditional 3-4 OLB. But still, if he wants to get more pass rushers on the field, you would think he would do that by moving players to where they're borderline run defenders and good pass rushers rather than move them to positions where they're good run defenders and borderline pass rushers.

 
I hear you.  I imagine they'll use him roughly like Suggs used to get used--nominally a 3-4 OLB but in general playing near the line, one gapping, and rushing almost every passing down.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I doubt Smith is the douche they are making him out to be.  It's possible I guess, but nothing about the kid screams douche up to this latest stuff.  The agent game is merciless, promises to get clients, pressure from other agencies to switch...I'm sure its overwelming.  He's in a dead period (7 days I think) before he can hire a new agent, so once he does I'm sure the new agent will put some info out there that is in favor of his image. 
 
I do know this, the kid learned and played under three different offenses (coordinators) in 4 years as a starter.  You scroll through that tape and you're going to find some bad reads, indecisions, slow eyes, whatever you call it.  But he had some monster games full of good reads, throws, high completion percentages behind a bad line.... I think he'll be fine as long as they insulate him and keep it about football.  I hope he does well on all games where he's not playing the Pats.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Let this shot live in infamy for all Jets fans. Must say, Revis looks good in red & gold.
 

 

[soxfan121]

Jets cut two after marijuana arrest
 
 

New York Jets defensive end Claude Davis and cornerback Cliff Harris were cut a day after they were arrested and charged with possession of marijuana.
 
The two players, who were signed to reserve-future contracts in January and never played for the Jets, were arrested Monday night in Morristown, N.J., after an officer noticed the vehicle they were in was filled with smoke.
 

 

 

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Never change Cliff

 

[TheYaz67]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/exit_san_man_NWLdE4qUNSWgNYjMbxSErL
 
Hmmm.... couple good mini camp days for Geno, and NY press is ready to ride Sanchize out on a rail....
 

This is not to say the competition is over and Mark Sanchez should start packing up his headbands. There is no doubt this is going to stretch into the summer.
 
Two days of rookie camp in shorts are not enough to judge someone on. But there is a sense around the Jets that they want Smith to win this thing. So, if he can hit the side of the Atlantic Health Training Center with a pass and not commit any buttfumbles between now and September, the Jets will give him the starting nod.

 

[bakahump]

Egggggggscellllent.  Not like throwing a young Qb in too early has ever hurt their Development.....especially with that OL and no running game...and no WRs...
 
Anything I missed?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Ian Rapoport
‏@RapSheet
3m
QB David Garrard told 2 players he no longer plans to be with the #Jets, per sources. Nothing official from team. Unclear if cut/retired

 

[bsj]

RT @AdamSchein: Text from Garrard: "Having to call it quits. My knee is not holding up. Continuing to swell after practices

 

[Sportsbstn]

Steve Smith is not a fan of Sanchez...
 
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/steve_smith_i_wouldnt_let_mark_sanchez_throw_me_a_sandwich/13630370?linksrc=foxrg_home
 

I wouldn’t let Mark Sanchez throw me a paper-bag sandwich, Smith said on WFNZ, via the Sporting News and ProFootballTalk.

 

[Saints Rest]

Egggggggscellllent. Not like throwing a young Qb in too early has ever hurt their Development.....especially with that OL and no running game...and no WRs...

Anything I missed?


No TE's?
A HC who is focused primarily on defense?
The NY media?

 

[soxfan121]

Dee Milliner also fired his agent because Dee Milliner wasn't picked in the top five. Or because he was picked by the Jets. You decide. 
 

While there is a nearly $6 million difference in the value of the first (and perhaps only) NFL contract Milliner will sign, it's difficult to see how falling out of the top five can be pinned on Fleming or Frankel as neither agent was in charge of a draft war room making those selection. Perhaps Milliner was promised he'd go in the top five, but on the surface, that seems doubtful. Fleming and Frankel have three dozen active players and Impact Sports (Sean Kiernan is a third agent with that agency) as a group has over 50 active players in the NFL and 2013 was not this group's first rodeo.

 

[Corsi]

New York Jets running back Michael Goodson was arrested in New Jersey early this morning after cops say the 25-year-old was in possession of weed and a loaded handgun. 

According to cops, Goodson -- who was signed by the Jets during the off-season to compete for the starting RB job -- was a passenger in an SUV that was parked along Route 80 in Denville, NJ. 

Cops say both Goodson and the driver of the vehicle appeared WASTED when they approached the vehicle. 

During the encounter, cops say Goodson was found to be in possession of weed (less than 50 grams) -- PLUS a loaded .45 caliber and hollow-point bullets. 

FYI --  a hollow-point bullet is used to create maximum damage to its intended target ... and in NJ hollow-points are not allowed to be carried around in public, with few exceptions. 

Cops say both Goodson and the driver were so intoxicated that they were both transported to a local hospital for treatment. 

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/17/michael-goodson-arrested-drugs-and-marijuana-new-york-jets/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[steveluck7]

and in NJ hollow-points are not allowed to be carried around in public, with few exceptions.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that being black out drunk isn't one of those exceptions

 

[E5 Yaz]

A paper-bag sandwich? What condiment do you use on the paper bag?

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

So Geno fires his agent, followed by Milliner firing his agent.
 
And now the arrest on Goodson, whom the Jets signed to a three-year, $6.9 million deal this offseason from the -- you guessed it -- Raiders. 
 
Chris Ivory trade now looks like a brilliant (or desperate, depending on your PoV) move. 

 

[Shelterdog]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that being black out drunk isn't one of those exceptions

I misread this as being African American out [in public] and drunk. Also not an exception.

 

[steveluck7]

I misread this as being African American out [in public] and drunk. Also not an exception.

I guess blackout is one word, huh?  At least i didn't separate with a comma

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

DWB?

 

[Shelterdog]

DWB?

 
 
Apparently he parked his car in the middle of I-80 so I'll give law enforcement a break on this one.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

That's pretty fucking drunk.

 

[dbn]

Apparently he parked his car in the middle of I-80 so I'll give law enforcement a break on this one.

 
So, he wasn't drunk driving.  Sounds like a clear case of profiling to me.  His lawyer will have this case tossed and he'll be at OTAs by Monday.

 

[bakahump]

Maybe he wasnt driving.....but as I understand OUI laws (at least in maine) you dont have to drive.  Thats why is Operating under the influence
 
If the keys are in the ignition.....your guilty.  If your on a roadway....your guilty. If your behind a wheel sleeping....your guilty.
 
NJ may be different.
 
If they do get off its just as bad as profiling....as I am willing to bet that 98.9999% of people who are not NYJets and end up in similiar situations are not only tried but found guilty.

 

[steveluck7]

Maybe he wasnt driving.....but as I understand OUI laws (at least in maine) you dont have to drive.  Thats why is Operating under the influence
 
If the keys are in the ignition.....your guilty.  If your on a roadway....your guilty. If your behind a wheel sleeping....your guilty.
 
NJ may be different.
 
If they do get off its just as bad as profiling....as I am willing to bet that 98.9999% of people who are not NYJets and end up in similiar situations are not only tried but found guilty.

Goodson was the passenger so he's not facing DUI charges, the driver was arrested for suspicion of DUI (among the drug and gun charges)

 

[dbn]

Maybe he wasnt driving.....but as I understand OUI laws (at least in maine) you dont have to drive. Thats why is Operating under the influence

If the keys are in the ignition.....your guilty. If your on a roadway....your guilty. If your behind a wheel sleeping....your guilty.

NJ may be different.

If they do get off its just as bad as profiling....as I am willing to bet that 98.9999% of people who are not NYJets and end up in similiar situations are not only tried but found guilty.



My post was a (attempt at a) joke.

 

[bakahump]

Sorry, I need new batteries for the joke detector.