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SouthernBoSox said:
I use V1.   A lot of PGA Professionals and golf instructors use it.  There are a few helpful tutorials you can find on the internet that help you in what you should be looking for.  I use it for shaft angle work and head position more than anything.  Not having a high speed camera can really do some funking things on analyzing your downswing.  
 
It is a fantastic tool, but I try to not over obsess about it. 
 
I was looking at V1.
 
Does it allow you to import video from other locations?  I'd guess not, but I was curious.
 
Are you using it on an iPhone?  If so, what model?
 

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jercra said:
What do you mean by swing evaluating apps?  I use V1 golf on Android and it's awesome but it's a video analysis app.  I'll grant that it's been more useful for making fun of my friends shitty swings than for evaluating my own swing but I'm also the guy who uses information to screw up what's working for me.
SouthernBoSox said:
I use V1.   A lot of PGA Professionals and golf instructors use it.  There are a few helpful tutorials you can find on the internet that help you in what you should be looking for.  I use it for shaft angle work and head position more than anything.  Not having a high speed camera can really do some funking things on analyzing your downswing.  
 
It is a fantastic tool, but I try to not over obsess about it.
 
Thanks.
 
Yeah, I wish I had a high speed video camera. I'm far from an expert, but I bet I have swing flaws that even I could correct.
 

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Just don't go nuts with it. When I first started using it I almost lost my mind. You're gonna see stuff you just didn't feel in your swing. And like I said, unless you have a swing speed below 60 MPH it is mega hard to get a good grasp on the downswing.

I just use it to look at my positions. If you need help I can email you some of the lines I work with.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
I would also throw in P.B. Dye in Ijamsville, MD and Raspberry Falls in Leesburg, VA. Whiskey Creek is great. Renditions is fun, but like you said, over booked and by that time of summer usually in kind of rough shape from all the rounds it gets. I was never a fan of Worthington Manor. Not a bad course, but I think every one of 4 or 5 rounds I played there over ten years, it was cart path only and it is not a course that lends to that, especially in the heat of DC summer.
 
Yeah, I have heard good things about both P.B. Dye and Raspberry Falls.  And I forgot about the cart path only at Worthington Manor, I'm sure that by June it will be cart path only.  
 

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SouthernBoSox said:
Just don't go nuts with it. When I first started using it I almost lost my mind. You're gonna see stuff you just didn't feel in your swing. And like I said, unless you have a swing speed below 60 MPH it is mega hard to get a good grasp on the downswing.

I just use it to look at my positions. If you need help I can email you some of the lines I work with.
So many things about this are true.  You can totally lose yourself in circles and lines and comparing yourself to pros.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that V1 is not limited to your phone.  If you already have a camcorder (preferably one that does 60fps) you'll be better served with that, a tripod and the PC version of V1.  Other than the obvious benefits of screen size you should get a much better quality image.  If you have a 60fps camera  then you will actually be able to look at your downswing and do a frame by frame overlay with the pro swings that ship with the software.
 

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I think I might hit the range tonight in preparation for the home track opening next week.  I have a very strong suspicion that this will not be an inspirational bucket of balls.
 

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Played again this weekend at Wachusett CC (another fantastic deal for the money). Still not good, but better than the disaster the week before. Still spent the front 9 unable to make any sort of contact with an iron other than my new wedges. I finally started figuring it out on the back 9, including a beautiful 200 yard approach with my 5 iron, but the rough start was unable to make the round worthwhile. Oh, and in an uncharacteristic turn I also putted horribly. 44 putts on the day, which is....not good. Went 54-49 which actually ended up being higher than my play due to my horrendous putting.
 
The good news is that I had a really nice birdie and should have had a second (missed a 4 foot putt), my driver is performing decently, my new 5 wood is a monster of a club for me, and I am really loving the new ATV wedges I bought. There's a huge difference in the quality of contact I'm making with them from 100 yds in, just need to get better with them around the green.
 
It was a step forward but still very discouraging after the amount of work I put into my swing in the offseason. Was seriously questioning at one point if I was ever going to be able to hit an iron again.
 

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I shot a 58 for 9 on Newton Comm. last week.  I was nearly ready to quit golf.
 
Rebounded with an 87 through 18 at Sandy Burr two days later.
 
Golf is a funny game.
 

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Golf league at Rehoboth CC got cancelled this afternoon. Four of us went out and played in a light mist, from the back tees because we had a couple of beers while contemplating what to do. Two of the four shot 37 and 38, respectively. The other two of us were around 44. It was fun to hit from back there at the blues, into the wind on some holes, hitting five-woods on par threes. Golf is a great game, regardless of the weather. And we all walked, too.
 

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terrynever said:
Golf league at Rehoboth CC got cancelled this afternoon. Four of us went out and played in a light mist, from the back tees because we had a couple of beers while contemplating what to do. Two of the four shot 37 and 38, respectively. The other two of us were around 44. It was fun to hit from back there at the blues, into the wind on some holes, hitting five-woods on par threes. Golf is a great game, regardless of the weather. And we all walked, too.
Has the back nine been opened for the season?  Last time I was there was my last round of 2012 the day they closed them. I was 2 over through 6 holes when i had to cut the round short
 

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Has the back nine been opened for the season?  Last time I was there was my last round of 2012 the day they closed them. I was 2 over through 6 holes when i had to cut the round short
Yeah, back is open. Greens still bumpy, should be good after a few weeks of warm weather. I wouldn't go there until mid-May.
 

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Good news:  Course is in great shape for April golf.  There are no leaves on the trees yet and the greens are slower than normal, but everything looks pristine.
 
Bad news:  I forgot to wear sunscreen today and I shave my head :(
 
Good news!  Shot 40 on the front.  3 over.  Hit my driver well.  Even though I only hit 1 fairway, my misses were close enough to give me second shots into greens.
 
Bad news:  44 on the back which is 9 over with two doubles.  I switched zip codes with my driver a few times.  On the front I really concentrated on shortening up my backswing.  It felt really short but my playing partners swore it was parallel, and maybe even just past.  On the back I lost concentration and paid for it a few times.  Putting 2 balls in the drink.
 
Good news:  TaylorMade demo day tomorrow!  I have an appointment to get put on the launch monitor tomorrow and try out the R1 and Rocketballz 2.
 
Bad news:  I probably can't afford them.
 

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Zomp said:
Good news:  Course is in great shape for April golf.  There are no leaves on the trees yet and the greens are slower than normal, but everything looks pristine.
 
Bad news:  I forgot to wear sunscreen today and I shave my head :(
 
Good news!  Shot 40 on the front.  3 over.  Hit my driver well.  Even though I only hit 1 fairway, my misses were close enough to give me second shots into greens.
 
Bad news:  44 on the back which is 9 over with two doubles.  I switched zip codes with my driver a few times.  On the front I really concentrated on shortening up my backswing.  It felt really short but my playing partners swore it was parallel, and maybe even just past.  On the back I lost concentration and paid for it a few times.  Putting 2 balls in the drink.
 
Good news:  TaylorMade demo day tomorrow!  I have an appointment to get put on the launch monitor tomorrow and try out the R1 and Rocketballz 2.
 
Bad news:  I probably can't afford them.
 
 
You always swing back farther than you think (or at least, I do).
 
I haven't played in way too long and I really don't have any excuse why, since I can play year round here. Maybe it's because the last few rounds I played my mid-irons and short game were atrocious. The only good thing to come from my last round was figuring out that if I choke down about 2 inches on my new driver (Callaway Razr X Black), I can actually use it for something other than hitting balls 50 yards off the right side of the fairway.
 

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Zomp said:
It's official.  I'm getting Rocketballzier.  I feel dirty doing so though...that fucking 3 wood has to be illegal.  
The 5 wood I got last year, while last year's model, is probably the best club I've ever swung. It's absurd.
 

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EastCoasterOutWest said:
Care to elaborate?
 
 
Demo day today at the club, TM brought the trackman system out.  I hit the 13 degree tour spoon 3 wood, carried 265.  Mishits were going 240+. That is insane for me.  I found the driver and 3 wood online for $435 total.  Fuck it.  Its only money, right?
 

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Shows what I know.
The new Callaway 3 deep is very similar.  Its insanely hot, I crush that thing.  But the best club I have ever owned and is still my go to to this day
 

 
Its still the best hybrid I've hit.  I've got a stinger hook off the tee with that that rolls out to 260-270.  Its my best shot, and my confidence in it is worth its weight in gold.   If your looking for a hybrid you should spend the 20 something dollars it is now and try it.  Not sexy now, but its hot.  
 

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FL4WL3SS said:
 
I told my fiance to start calling me this.  It did not go over well...
 
 
...of course, she's really going to be mad when she finds out I bought 2 clubs and not the one I told her about...
 

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Yeah...I'd bet quite a few golfers on here could.
 
My Taylor Made burner 3 wood that I have now, I can hit 240-260.  This new Rocketballz 3 wood, though I only hit it yesterday, goes 260-275.  But the best thing about it were the mishits. I don't know if its the design or the clubhead or what but when I caught it on the toe (which happens quite a bit for me since I hook the ball) it was going 240 and pretty straight. 
 
There are a few factors why its longer.  1.  My old 3 wood was 15 degrees, this is 13 degrees.  2.  This club is a 1/2 inch longer.  Honestly, I think if I were to lengthen my burner 3 wood and drop it 2 degrees i could possibly hit it as far as the Rocketballz...but I'd have to pure it every time.
 
I thought the hype was bullshit.  I was wrong.
 
 
Zomp-IER.
 

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Also, does anyone have advice on selling clubs?  I'd like to sell my Ping G20 driver (Bi-Matrix shaft, stiff, 10.5 degree) and Burner 3 wood (15 degree, aldila NV shaft) but don't know where to go besides ebay.
 

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Zomp said:
Demo day today at the club, TM brought the trackman system out.  I hit the 13 degree tour spoon 3 wood, carried 265.  Mishits were going 240+. That is insane for me.  I found the driver and 3 wood online for $435 total.  Fuck it.  Its only money, right?
 
That makes my balls tingle. Christ.
 

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Zomp said:
Also, does anyone have advice on selling clubs?  I'd like to sell my Ping G20 driver (Bi-Matrix shaft, stiff, 10.5 degree) and Burner 3 wood (15 degree, aldila NV shaft) but don't know where to go besides ebay.
FYI, if you're hitting your old 15* 3-wood 240-260 that means you have to carry it at least 230-240 some times.  According to this chart that means you need a swing speed between 106 and 110.  If you have that kind of swing speed you may need to be in an X-flex shaft.  It may help you greatly on driver accuracy in particular.  Swing speed is not the only factor, load and transition are big too but that's a very high swing speed with a 3 wood.
 
You may also want to read some of Tom Wishon's clubmaking material for information about shaft length.  The difference in clubhead speed for 1/2 inch is nominal.  What is likely making a difference there is that you're hitting the ball closer to the center of the clubface (especially since you miss on the toe a lot).  It's also lowering the lie angle slightly which, again, probably helps you hit the center of the face more.  13* vs 15* is also a huge factor for someone with high clubhead speed.  It will hurt the average golfer more than it helps but since you've got the speed it's likely helping you with more than just distance.  The lower face angle is lowering the spin rate too.  That's both making the ball go further and making the off center hits move less left or right.  Most people can't get a 13* 3-wood off the ground, you were probably hitting you're 15* sky high.
 
It's likely that any other 13* 3-wood with a decent shaft would have had similar results.  And I play the RBZ 13* 3-wood myself so I'm not trying to say the club is bad or anything, just that it's likely the setup that's helping more than the club itself.
 

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Yeah my swing speed yesterday was averaging 106.  I ordered the RBZ Stage 2 driver with an X flex shaft, but the rep I was hitting with said I should be fine with the stiff flex in the 3 wood.  I thought about getting the TP shaft, but the difference in results yesterday was minimal at best.  Also, even on eBay, the cost difference is about $100.  The driver comes with the TP shaft...but if I don't like the shaft in the 3 wood, if its not stiff enough for example, I figure I can buy a better shaft myself and put one in.
 
Interesting chart and comments about shaft length though, thanks.
 
When I was playing in college, I actually hit a Titleist PT 3 wood that was 13 degrees and would hit the shit out of it.  I feel dumb for saying this but I didn't realize the new 3 woods came in mostly 15 degrees.  Yesterday my shots were ballooning a little with the 15 degree wood, and the rep was loving it for some reason.  "Thats the ball flight you want! Wow! Nice shot!".  I hit the 13 degree one and it was a bullet. I said, "No, thats what I want".
 

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SouthernBoSox said:
I usually craigslist mine and get more value without having to ship compared to eBay.
Yep, same here.
 
Last year I sold a relatively newer R9 and got $250 for it on Craigslist. I felt bad after leaving the sale because the guy should not have been buying a 9 degree TP Stiff flex driver, but then I rubbed a couple benjamins on my cock and felt better.
 

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jercra said:
FYI, if you're hitting your old 15* 3-wood 240-260 that means you have to carry it at least 230-240 some times.  According to this chart that means you need a swing speed between 106 and 110.  If you have that kind of swing speed you may need to be in an X-flex shaft.  It may help you greatly on driver accuracy in particular.  Swing speed is not the only factor, load and transition are big too but that's a very high swing speed with a 3 wood.
 
You may also want to read some of Tom Wishon's clubmaking material for information about shaft length.  The difference in clubhead speed for 1/2 inch is nominal.  What is likely making a difference there is that you're hitting the ball closer to the center of the clubface (especially since you miss on the toe a lot).  It's also lowering the lie angle slightly which, again, probably helps you hit the center of the face more.  13* vs 15* is also a huge factor for someone with high clubhead speed.  It will hurt the average golfer more than it helps but since you've got the speed it's likely helping you with more than just distance.  The lower face angle is lowering the spin rate too.  That's both making the ball go further and making the off center hits move less left or right.  Most people can't get a 13* 3-wood off the ground, you were probably hitting you're 15* sky high.
 
It's likely that any other 13* 3-wood with a decent shaft would have had similar results.  And I play the RBZ 13* 3-wood myself so I'm not trying to say the club is bad or anything, just that it's likely the setup that's helping more than the club itself.
Swing speed and smash factor, brah.
 
Apparently I'm going to respond to every post in this thread. In other words, I'm a loser.
 

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FL4WL3SS said:
To be fair, those trackman readings are a little suspect during demo days.
 
Although, I heard having a bald head gets you 17 more yards. Bald-ier.
 
Agreed on both counts, but one nice thing about having the demo day at my club is I know how far I was carrying on the range because I've hit there a million times.  In fact, they are setting up a new practice tee that is 300 yards away (for lessons), and the dirt from that site stretches out to be about 260 yards (according to my rangefinder...there is a flag there).  When I hit the ball I'd look to see if dirt kicked up...usually it did.  Even if they are giving me readings that bump it up 5 yards I'll take it.
 
 
Also, if anyone ever makes it up to New England and wants to play my course, get in touch with me and we can go.  Its pretty nice as far as private New England courses go.  Definitely not in the top tier...but probably one below it.  Most private courses' greens are velvet, ours are glass.
 

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Zomp said:
Also, does anyone have advice on selling clubs?  I'd like to sell my Ping G20 driver (Bi-Matrix shaft, stiff, 10.5 degree) and Burner 3 wood (15 degree, aldila NV shaft) but don't know where to go besides ebay.
 
Maybe 3Balls in Raynham, Massachusetts? I'm not sure I want  10.5 driver, but let me know what you want for it before you sell it.
 
Zomp said:
Also, if anyone ever makes it up to New England and wants to play my course, get in touch with me and we can go.  Its pretty nice as far as private New England courses go.  Definitely not in the top tier...but probably one below it.  Most private courses' greens are velvet, ours are glass.
 
 Where is it again?
 
FL4WL3SS said:
FL4WL3SS said:
To be fair, those trackman readings are a little suspect during demo days.
 
Although, I heard having a bald head gets you 17 more yards. Bald-ier.
 
Awesome.
 

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well.. we have this spif program where  you get points ($) for items we sell,  had to be used by 6/30 so I got 2 $100 Sports Authority gift cards, and like many of you, last night i got semi-RocketBallzier  I got the original RBZ adjustable driver for $199 2 gloves and a couple other things for old man softball using a 20% off coupon it cost me exactly $8.55 out of my pocket
 
Tuned the driver up to 12 degree, which was the loft of the Callaway Steelhead that was the last driver that I was able to hit with any consistency. gonna hit a couple buckets with it this afternoon
 

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doldmoose34 said:
well.. we have this spif program where  you get points ($) for items we sell,  had to be used by 6/30 so I got 2 $100 Sports Authority gift cards, and like many of you, last night i got semi-RocketBallzier  I got the original RBZ adjustable driver for $199 2 gloves and a couple other things for old man softball using a 20% off coupon it cost me exactly $8.55 out of my pocket
 
Tuned the driver up to 12 degree, which was the loft of the Callaway Steelhead that was the last driver that I was able to hit with any consistency. gonna hit a couple buckets with it this afternoon
I'm extremely ignorant on adjustable drivers. All I've even done is open one up before and that's it. I tend to be afraid of messing with them.

But how do you change loft on an adjustable driver? Logically it seems impossible.

Props on going high lofted though. More people should do that.
 

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all I know is that I used the key, and changed head from 'std loft' 10.5 to higher which is 12... hit a cpl buckets yesterday info a stiff wind there were enough pea'd down the pipe that I cant wait to try it for real later today
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
 
Someone may correct me, but my understanding is that you are changing the "effective loft". It's done by slightly opening or closing the club face to alter the launch angle. Think of it like opening up your wedge to hit a flop shot, only not as drastic.
 
As for higher loft, it really depends on your swing speed and your ability to square the face at impact. It may seem counter intuitive, but higher loft doesn't always mean more control. More loft means more spin and if you have a high swing speed and can't square, that means further left or right. If you have a slower swing, the more loft will help with carry as you're likely not creating enough spin on your own. It's tricky.
My driver loft is 9.5. I once hit lower because I was obsessed with hitting bullets and getting plenty of roll out.

I went to a range that does all the testing on site. It was pretty awesome. But basically the higher I hit my driver the better, obviously it carried more, but even counting run out I was hitting it further. Its also way easier for me to hit my spots, but like youcsaid it's a purely individual deal. When they do the pro tracker on the tour coverage I'm always amazed at th heighth the get off the tee.

Honestly I think it's one of the reasons a lot of people hit their 3 woods almost as far as their driver.
 

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Played at Richmond CC on Sunday and shot a 92. Not bad but now I'm in clinic with a bad case of poison ivy. Need to hit it straighter.
 

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Shot 73 today. Par 71. Left probably 6-7 shots out there. The best day off the tee I've probably ever had. Hit every fairway. Had bombs of 316 on the 6th, 322 on the 8th, 348 on the 9th, and 341 on the 11th.

The 340s were wind and slope aided. But it was the best day I've ever had as far as length and accuracy off the tee. I had one birdie, 3 bogeys and all pars. I really have to work on my 70-100 yard shot. I could have had a career round if I had any sort of feel for those. I also couldn't buy a birdie putt, but I'd never played on the greens and didn't really get a feel for them until the end of the round when I made a few putts.

Any advice on some knock down wedges 100 yards in? I just have to work on non full swing shots.

I'm sure next time out I'll hit two fairways an be Zach Johnson with a wedge. Stupid game.
 

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I think I've posted this before, but depending on distance I'll take my PW or 53 degree wedge, take a 3/4 swing, and concentrate on deadening my wrists through the swing.  The result is a low launch wedge that takes one hop and stops.  Thats my go to for within 100 yards.
 

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So try to hold wrist firm at contact? Don't pronate them I guess? Kind of like a really long chip shot.

I'll try that.
 

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Also utilize choking down on any club.  You can still take a full swing but by choking down 3-4 inches you'll shorten the distance the ball will fly.  You can change a 60 from 100 down to 75 just by choking down.
 

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Hey jercra, I posted this on golfwrx but so far I haven't gotten a solid answer.
 
At the demo day, I was hitting the 3 wood with the Matrix RUL 80 gram shaft.  I got my 3 wood, but I ordered it with the Rocketfuel shaft by fujikura instead, and its 70 grams.  I haven't hit the club yet, so I may love the shaft that is in it, but just in case I don't...I'm looking for a cheaper option than dropping $300 on the Matrix RUL for the 3 wood. 
 
Here are the specs for the RUL:
 
Weight: 82
Torque: 2.9
Launch: Mid
Spin: Mid
Tip: .335
Tip par: 3
 
 
RBG has a deal on some shafts...any that you see would be a good fit?
 
 
 



FLEX

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83.0

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