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I didn't see a Jeff Green thread in the first few pages or a trade deadline thread...



Story going online now: ESPN sources say Grizzlies, looking to bolster wing rotation, are pursuing trade for either Luol Deng or Jeff Green
— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) January 8, 2015
 

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Who do we like on the Grizzlies? No one comes to mind considering the Celtics current situation.
 

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Another 1st from someone would be ideal, if unlikely. I'm pretty sure one from Memphis would have to include language that ensures it has to be conveyed a minimum of two years after the 2015 playoff-protected pick is used.
 
Playoff teams with an extra 1st this year are Chicago, Houston, and Phoenix. Obviously future 1sts are always in play. Teams get desperate so it's not impossible, especially in a year like this when any number of teams in both conferences have a legit shot at making the finals.
 
More likely is salary relief and the peace of mind that Green won't pick up his option for next year.
 

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Feel like Loul Deng was born to be a Grizzly. Seems like he's lost a step or two after all those years of playing Thibs minutes, but he'd still be a huge upgrade for them.
 
That said, the prize from Memphis is Koufos. Still only 25 and is an uner-the-radar very good Center. His rim protection numbers this year are as good as anybody in the league and he's on a good contract.
 

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That said, the prize from Memphis is Koufos. Still only 25 and is an uner-the-radar very good Center. His rim protection numbers this year are as good as anybody in the league and he's on a good contract.
 
And he's an unrestricted free agent this summer, and is sure to leave Memphis.  Not sure why he would want to stay in Boston, if traded.
 

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Memphis is basically going to offer Tayshaun Prince (ballast) and what? A flyer on Jordan Adams? Maybe a protected draft pick. Not that I mind that package for Green.
 

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And he's an unrestricted free agent this summer, and is sure to leave Memphis.  Not sure why he would want to stay in Boston, if traded.
 
He's played for 5 teams in 6 years and has a bench role behind Gasol after starting 81 games during his last year in Denver. The idea that a guy like that would turn up his nose at a long-term contract and an opportunity to be a consistent starter doesn't make sense to me.
 

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One incentive for the Celtics to trade Green is to keep Miami ahead of Brooklyn in the standings, increasing the chances that the Nets miss the playoffs.
 

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He's played for 5 teams in 6 years and has a bench role behind Gasol after starting 81 games during his last year in Denver. The idea that a guy like that would turn up his nose at a long-term contract and an opportunity to be a consistent starter doesn't make sense to me.
Overpaying roleplaying Cs at this stage of the rebuild is how you end up the Milwaukee Bucks and praying for luck to save you from yourself. The only deal that makes sense is a three teamer with Koufos and/or Adams headed off to a team that has longer term parts for Boston.

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One incentive for the Celtics to trade Green is to keep Miami ahead of Brooklyn in the standings, increasing the chances that the Nets miss the playoffs.
If this were 2016 this would unquestionably be true. Unfortunately Atlanta benefits this year,
 

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Overpaying roleplaying Cs at this stage of the rebuild is how you end up the Milwaukee Bucks and praying for luck to save you from yourself. The only deal that makes sense is a three teamer with Koufos and/or Adams headed off to a team that has longer term parts for Boston.


If this were 2016 this would unquestionably be true. Unfortunately Atlanta benefits this year,
 
When did I say anything about overpaying?
 

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He's hitting unrestricted free agency. Either Boston's giving Green away for a rental to maximise wins for this year only or they're going to have to pay market rates for a tall guy this summer. Which seems counterproductive in front of a big man draft.
 

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He's hitting unrestricted free agency. Either Boston's giving Green away for a rental to maximise wins for this year only or they're going to have to pay market rates for a tall guy this summer. Which seems counterproductive in front of a big man draft.
 
It's only counterproductive if a) the C's land one of those big men in the draft, and b) said big man is as good as Koufos. Neither are certainties.
 

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When did I say anything about overpaying?
Well the odds are high that if they re-sign him it won't be a bargain. The right to match is OK I guess, but he's not taking a discount to re-sign with a bad team when better teams will offer him market rate.
 

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I'm not really sure I follow. The C's should only add a big man if it's a bargain and they don't have to pay market rate?
It's a poor use of assets.
A marginal at best upgrade to an already crowded frontcourt that you then need to re-sign at market or higher rates is a really poor use of Jeff Green's trade value. Koufos is a better defender than any of the current big men except maybe Wright, but he's a 7 year veteran who doesn't have much upside beyond backup center.
I can't see any situation where trading an asset for the right to match a RFA overpay offer on yet another rotation level big makes much sense. If he was like Mozgov and had another year at low salary maybe it makes sense, even then a draft pick likely has more value both as an opportunity to get a player who is young and cheap, or as a trade chip going forward.
 

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It's a poor use of assets.
A marginal at best upgrade to an already crowded frontcourt that you then need to re-sign at market or higher rates is a really poor use of Jeff Green's trade value. Koufos is a better defender than any of the current big men except maybe Wright, but he's a 7 year veteran who doesn't have much upside beyond backup center.
I can't see any situation where trading an asset for the right to match a RFA overpay offer on yet another rotation level big makes much sense. If he was like Mozgov and had another year at low salary maybe it makes sense, even then a draft pick likely has more value both as an opportunity to get a player who is young and cheap, or as a trade chip going forward.
 
Agree to disagree. I think Koufos is a substantial defensive upgrade over the current C's on the Celtics roster and provides them with the ability to address a serious need. DRPM likes him a lot, as do Nylon Calculus' Rim Protection stats. He's a 7 year veteran, but he's still only 25, and big men take much longer to develop than guards and wings. He's fully capable of being a starting C in this league, and has been in the past. Also, just to remind you, we're talking about the return for a half year rental of Jeff Green.
 
And while it's true he's a UFA, I think he's at a point in his career where he'd be happy to have stability and a starting role and there's plenty of incentive for him to stick around. It's a risk, sure, but its a risk that addresses a clear need.
 
Also, what's with everybody using the term "overpay" for a contract that hasn't yet been signed? I know it's fun to critique NBA contracts, but the fact that we default to overpay before they're signed is pretty ridiculous.
 

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Agree to disagree. I think Koufos is a substantial defensive upgrade over the current C's on the Celtics roster and provides them with the ability to address a serious need. DRPM likes him a lot, as do Nylon Calculus' Rim Protection stats. He's a 7 year veteran, but he's still only 25, and big men take much longer to develop than guards and wings. He's fully capable of being a starting C in this league, and has been in the past. Also, just to remind you, we're talking about the return for a half year rental of Jeff Green.
 
And while it's true he's a UFA, I think he's at a point in his career where he'd be happy to have stability and a starting role and there's plenty of incentive for him to stick around. It's a risk, sure, but its a risk that addresses a clear need.
 
Also, what's with everybody using the term "overpay" for a contract that hasn't yet been signed? I know it's fun to critique NBA contracts, but the fact that we default to overpay before they're signed is pretty ridiculous.
 
I don't think overpay is a good way to term it, but being an UFA, the C's would be going up against teams with cap space and money to burn to sign a marginal starter. I think most here believe it doesn't make sense to lock him up at a market rate for this team. He'd have to want to be on a rebuilding C's team vs being on a team closer to competing; a team that may be able to promise him similar playing time. That's likely going to put Danny in a position to have to overpay if he wants to keep him. 

I think most would prefer a young big with another year on his contract or a draft pick rather than be put in a position where we trade Green and get 1/2 season of another guy who's likely going to walk unless the C's overpay. I don't see Koufos as a guy they should be willing to stretch for. If he were willing to resign for a reasonable deal, it would make some sense, but at this point he'd be foolish not to test free agency and see who wants to pay for a big who can play defense and rebound (unless, as other's have noted, we overpay to prevent that from happening).
 

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I don't think overpay is a good way to term it, but being an UFA, the C's would be going up against teams with cap space and money to burn to sign a marginal starter. I think most here believe it doesn't make sense to lock him up at a market rate for this team. He'd have to want to be on a rebuilding C's team vs being on a team closer to competing; a team that may be able to promise him similar playing time. That's likely going to put Danny in a position to have to overpay if he wants to keep him. 

I think most would prefer a young big with another year on his contract or a draft pick rather than be put in a position where we trade Green and get 1/2 season of another guy who's likely going to walk unless the C's overpay. I don't see Koufos as a guy they should be willing to stretch for. If he were willing to resign for a reasonable deal, it would make some sense, but at this point he'd be foolish not to test free agency and see who wants to pay for a big who can play defense and rebound (unless, as other's have noted, we overpay to prevent that from happening).
 
Yes, I get the thought process. I just a) don't think the C's are going to get a good young big with another year on his contract for half a year of Jeff Green and b) am not sure the C's can count on getting a pick. 
 
Who are the realistic options for Green? Memphis is a common rumor. LAC is also a common rumor. Neither of them can offer a young big with another year on his deal, and the draft picks they can offer will very likely be in the 20s. Also worth mentioning is that both Memphis and LAC have already traded their picks in the upcoming draft, so the pick in question would be well down the road if they are indeed willing to give one up.
 
We'll see I guess. I like Koufos more than most, and I get why folks are lukewarm on the idea, I just find it hard to believe a half season of Jeff Green's gonna fetch a package that everybody here is unanimously excited about. (Especially since, you know, nobody has ever been unanimously excited about anything here.)

 
 

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Yes, I get the thought process. I just a) don't think the C's are going to get a good young big with another year on his contract for half a year of Jeff Green and b) am not sure the C's can count on getting a pick. 
 
Who are the realistic options for Green? Memphis is a common rumor. LAC is also a common rumor. Neither of them can offer a young big with another year on his deal, and the draft picks they can offer will very likely be in the 20s. Also worth mentioning is that both Memphis and LAC have already traded their picks in the upcoming draft, so the pick in question would be well down the road if they are indeed willing to give one up.
 
We'll see I guess. I like Koufos more than most, and I get why folks are lukewarm on the idea, I just find it hard to believe a half season of Jeff Green's gonna fetch a package that everybody here is unanimously excited about. (Especially since, you know, nobody has ever been unanimously excited about anything here.)
 
Green is essentially on a 2 year deal since he isn't likely to be declining that option and hitting FA this year when he can take 9M and hit FA when the cap has gone up significantly after next year.
 
I forgot that Koufos is a UFA, that makes it a truly horrific idea. For some reason I was thinking he was an RFA which at least brings a match option.
A UFA is basically useless.you get no advantage at all having him on your team when you are a lottery team like the Celtics. He is the same as any other expiring, worse than some since he might take playing time from people who will be on the roster next year. If you like Koufos you can bid on him after the year with everyone else.
 

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Green is essentially on a 2 year deal since he isn't likely to be declining that option and hitting FA this year when he can take 9M and hit FA when the cap has gone up significantly after next year.
 
I forgot that Koufos is a UFA, that makes it a truly horrific idea. For some reason I was thinking he was an RFA which at least brings a match option.
A UFA is basically useless.you get no advantage at all having him on your team when you are a lottery team like the Celtics. He is the same as any other expiring, worse than some since he might take playing time from people who will be on the roster next year. If you like Koufos you can bid on him after the year with everyone else.
Players decline that option all of the time to lock up long-term guaranteed money. It happens more often than not. In fact, the news just trickled out that Roy Hibbert is likely going to decline his option, which is bigger than Green's. Very few guys take the risk of injury to pick up their options when the alternative is far more guaranteed money, even if the AAV is lower.
 
As for Koufos, I've made my case. You're entitled to your opinion; I disagree. I think there's an advantage in bringing him and getting to pitch him on your organization for half a season, and the worst case scenario is that he's expiring money and you got Green off your books.
 

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Yes, I get the thought process. I just a) don't think the C's are going to get a good young big with another year on his contract for half a year of Jeff Green and b) am not sure the C's can count on getting a pick. 
 
Who are the realistic options for Green? Memphis is a common rumor. LAC is also a common rumor. Neither of them can offer a young big with another year on his deal, and the draft picks they can offer will very likely be in the 20s. Also worth mentioning is that both Memphis and LAC have already traded their picks in the upcoming draft, so the pick in question would be well down the road if they are indeed willing to give one up.
 
We'll see I guess. I like Koufos more than most, and I get why folks are lukewarm on the idea, I just find it hard to believe a half season of Jeff Green's gonna fetch a package that everybody here is unanimously excited about. (Especially since, you know, nobody has ever been unanimously excited about anything here.)
 
 
On a) I guess we'll see. I could see a team like Memphis possibly giving up a guy like Jordan Adams rather than a draft pick. He's not a big, but could fit the bill as someone under longer team control. They could see if the Bulls want to upgrade SF by sending Dunleavy, Moore and Muhammad (to match salaries) and maybe get them to give up one of Snell or McDermott. Houston could match up for Terry and one of their extra PF (Montiejunas or Papanikolao). Or maybe they can steal Tyler Ennis from Phoenix by taking back PJ Tucker. The player doesn't have to be a young center just because we need one. 
 
I'd rather bring in a young guy like one of the above and see what they can do rather than risk Koufos walking at the end of the year. And I don't see a huge downside in getting a pick 2-3 years down the road. Like you said, they're only selling half a season of Green and the C's have a lot of picks coming up in the next two drafts. If the C's are able to turn it around, the player they get with that pick could help the core that Ainge is hopefully able to assemble by then, even if he's just a role player taken with a mid-late round pick. 
 

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Players decline that option all of the time to lock up long-term guaranteed money. It happens more often than not. In fact, the news just trickled out that Roy Hibbert is likely going to decline his option, which is bigger than Green's. Very few guys take the risk of injury to pick up their options when the alternative is far more guaranteed money, even if the AAV is lower.
 
Yep, Avery Bradley money is the absolute floor for Green as an UFA.
 

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Green is essentially on a 2 year deal since he isn't likely to be declining that option and hitting FA this year when he can take 9M and hit FA when the cap has gone up significantly after next year.
 
I'd love to accept any wager that Green doesn't hit FA this summer. It would be monumentally stupid and reprehensible of David Falk to not secure a rich long term deal for his client. Not hitting the market isn't even a realistic possibility for Green I'm 103% certain.
 

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On a) I guess we'll see. I could see a team like Memphis possibly giving up a guy like Jordan Adams rather than a draft pick. He's not a big, but could fit the bill as someone under longer team control. They could see if the Bulls want to upgrade SF by sending Dunleavy, Moore and Muhammad (to match salaries) and maybe get them to give up one of Snell or McDermott. Houston could match up for Terry and one of their extra PF (Montiejunas or Papanikolao). Or maybe they can steal Tyler Ennis from Phoenix by taking back PJ Tucker. The player doesn't have to be a young center just because we need one. 
 
I'd rather bring in a young guy like one of the above and see what they can do rather than risk Koufos walking at the end of the year. And I don't see a huge downside in getting a pick 2-3 years down the road. Like you said, they're only selling half a season of Green and the C's have a lot of picks coming up in the next two drafts. If the C's are able to turn it around, the player they get with that pick could help the core that Ainge is hopefully able to assemble by then, even if he's just a role player taken with a mid-late round pick. 
 
I looked at Houston too, and they sort of feel like an outside possibility, but I don't think Montijunas is a real option. He's back in the starting 5 after a few games of McHale upholding Houston's promise to Josh Smith, and he's shown a lot to like and is still only 24. Papanikolao may be an option, but I just don't think the upside's really there. I read a lot about him when the Knicks drafted him, and he was always seen as a role player at best. Snell most likely is what he is, and McDermott's almost certainly off the table. Ennis would be a nice flier, but I tend to think that Phoenix isn't using an asset to acquire another wing. 
 
In the end, I suspect that it'll be expirings and somebody like Jordan Adams. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Memphis won't give up Koufas for Jeff Green (you may recall pre-front office Hollinger tearing Green apart consistently) and that they're only going to include him in a deal if they they're getting a true difference maker in return. Koufas, UFA or not, is nice insurance policy in the (unlikely) event that Gasol bolts this offseason.
 

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I looked at Houston too, and they sort of feel like an outside possibility, but I don't think Montijunas is a real option. He's back in the starting 5 after a few games of McHale upholding Houston's promise to Josh Smith, and he's shown a lot to like and is still only 24. Papanikolao may be an option, but I just don't think the upside's really there. I read a lot about him when the Knicks drafted him, and he was always seen as a role player at best. Snell most likely is what he is, and McDermott's almost certainly off the table. Ennis would be a nice flier, but I tend to think that Phoenix isn't using an asset to acquire another wing. 
 
In the end, I suspect that it'll be expirings and somebody like Jordan Adams. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Memphis won't give up Koufas for Jeff Green (you may recall pre-front office Hollinger tearing Green apart consistently) and that they're only going to include him in a deal if they they're getting a true difference maker in return. Koufas, UFA or not, is nice insurance policy in the (unlikely) event that Gasol bolts this offseason.
 
Yeah, not a lot of great options to be sure. If Memphis is making a push for Green, they probably want to keep Koufos as a backup big for their playoff push anyway. 
 

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I looked at Houston too, and they sort of feel like an outside possibility, but I don't think Montijunas is a real option. He's back in the starting 5 after a few games of McHale upholding Houston's promise to Josh Smith, and he's shown a lot to like and is still only 24. Papanikolao may be an option, but I just don't think the upside's really there. I read a lot about him when the Knicks drafted him, and he was always seen as a role player at best. Snell most likely is what he is, and McDermott's almost certainly off the table. Ennis would be a nice flier, but I tend to think that Phoenix isn't using an asset to acquire another wing. 
 
In the end, I suspect that it'll be expirings and somebody like Jordan Adams. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Memphis won't give up Koufas for Jeff Green (you may recall pre-front office Hollinger tearing Green apart consistently) and that they're only going to include him in a deal if they they're getting a true difference maker in return. Koufas, UFA or not, is nice insurance policy in the (unlikely) event that Gasol bolts this offseason.
FWIW, it's PapanikolaoU and KoufOs and they are pronounced pa-pa-ne-ko-LA-u and Ku-FOS.
 

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the NBA has devolved into a farce. about 10 teams try, 10 teams don't do anything and the rest literally try to lose every game.
 

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Thats because there are about 10 stars......and 18 or so "second fiddles" ......then a bunch of young kids with some promise.....some more then others. Some of them on the same teams.

The question is .....is there any way to turn in back into a teamgame and minimize the impact of the stars. Until thats miraculously found.......you will have the 10/10/10 split.
 

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Thats because there are about 10 stars......and 18 or so "second fiddles" ......then a bunch of young kids with some promise.....some more then others. Some of them on the same teams.

The question is .....is there any way to turn in back into a teamgame and minimize the impact of the stars. Until thats miraculously found.......you will have the 10/10/10 split.
There was no mythical past where magical teaminess overcame star power. The dominant teams of the 60s were loaded with future hall of famers. The reason Oscar Robertson couldn't overcome the Celtics is that the latter had more all time greats. This is the way it's always been.
 

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There was no mythical past where magical teaminess overcame star power. The dominant teams of the 60s were loaded with future hall of famers. The reason Oscar Robertson couldn't overcome the Celtics is that the latter had more all time greats. This is the way it's always been.
 
I can't imagine how people would have enjoyed the era when you could set your watch to Bulls championships. If not for Jordan's retirements, they probably could have made a run at ten.
 

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the NBA has devolved into a farce. about 10 teams try, 10 teams don't do anything and the rest literally try to lose every game.
Valid complaint if you ignore the historic awesomeness and competitiveness of the western conference this year.
 

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the NBA has devolved into a farce. about 10 teams try, 10 teams don't do anything and the rest literally try to lose every game.
 
This is the most level, wide-open year I can remember. There are more teams with reasonable title aspirations than any NBA season I'm aware of, no "artificially" created super teams, and a bunch of excellent small market teams (Memphis, OKC, Atlanta, Portland). There are 10 teams fighting for 8 playoff seeds in the West, and the 8 seed could easily end up knocking off the 1 seed. The East is down, but Chicago, Washington, Toronto, and Atlanta are all better than the team with the world's best player. In other words, your complaint about what the NBA has devolved into really doesn't make any sense in the context of what the NBA is like this season. Think about that: the team with the best player in the world, a team many predicted would be the best offensive team in history and appear in the NBA finals, may end up the 5th seed in the league's poorer conference. And you're complaining about the depth of the league?
 
I'll never understand how it's become de rigueur to bitch about "what the NBA has become," while in baseball organizations can go decades without being relevant and the same critiques aren't applied. I'm honestly curious why what the Celtics/Sixers/Knicks are doing is a farce, but the Astros are just rebuilding? 
 

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The NBA is awesome this year.  As G&MB said, there are some very good stories in the NBA this year.  Atlanta is one such story as is Milwaukee.  And then, as Social Chair points out, there is the battledome of the West.  I think Clears was just doing a drive-by, hot-take, frustrated-Celtics-fan post because in losing Green, he now knows none of their players.  
 
Back on the Green trade, I will reserve the right to change my opinion on Green if he improves on a better squad.  Its entirely possible and if so he is a huge add for Memphis.  
 

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It's been almost a month and Brandon Bass is still throwing up midrange jumpers for this team.  I hope Danny is still planning to move him and Thornton before the deadline. I know Thornton has played well of late for this team but as a fan of the Celtics who wants to see them become Championship caliber again I do not see him being a long term piece that they resign.
 
Hopefully Danny is just waiting until closer to the deadline when teams will feel a little more urgency but I have no interest in seeing either of these players on the team come 3:01 PM on February 19th. I'd love to move Tayshaun as well but I don't see us getting anything for him as he has broken down again.  
 

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There's little/no market for Thornton or Bass. Thornton's contract essentially means that Boston would need to eat an unproductive deal in order to move him for a conditional #2. If anything he's a buyout candidate. They will have more luck with Prince, since he can actually do something for contenders, but again the salaries make it tough for Boston to get something without eating salary and they aren't very interested in adding to their 2016 payroll.
 

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That being said Atlanta can fit him into their empty cap space. Unfortunately a Hawks #2 is pretty worthless, and working out anything of value is tough.
 

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It's been almost a month and Brandon Bass is still throwing up midrange jumpers for this team.  I hope Danny is still planning to move him and Thornton before the deadline. I know Thornton has played well of late for this team but as a fan of the Celtics who wants to see them become Championship caliber again I do not see him being a long term piece that they resign.
 
Hopefully Danny is just waiting until closer to the deadline when teams will feel a little more urgency but I have no interest in seeing either of these players on the team come 3:01 PM on February 19th. I'd love to move Tayshaun as well but I don't see us getting anything for him as he has broken down again.  
Teams are going to have an urgency to acquire Brandon Bass or Marcus Thornton?

Ainge got some bit pieces for the only veteran player he could get bit pieces for in Rondo. There is no more value to squeeze out of anyone else on this roster with the possible exception of Sullinger.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
Teams are going to have an urgency to acquire Brandon Bass or Marcus Thornton?

Ainge got some bit pieces for the only veteran player he could get bit pieces for in Rondo. There is no more value to squeeze out of anyone else on this roster with the possible exception of Sullinger.
You're right that there is no urgency.  That said these are competent NBA players that teams can probably have for peanuts to fill out their rotations.  I am very much in the anything is better than nothing camp when it comes to these guys and would hope Danny is as well. 
 

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thehitcat said:
You're right that there is no urgency.  That said these are competent NBA players that teams can probably have for peanuts to fill out their rotations.  I am very much in the anything is better than nothing camp when it comes to these guys and would hope Danny is as well. 
Sure but teams aren't going to be looking to pay Thornton's pro-rated $8.7m or $7m for Bass without gaining something addition in return when there are (much) cheaper competent players available elsewhere. These players are the very definition of negative trade value and would cost assets to move......it's why they remain Boston Celtics today.
 

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Thornton's value isn't negative as he's an expiring deal. The downside is that you're taking on dead salary to move him. He's a buyout candidate after the trade deadline. Prince has value to contenders, but the salary makes it tough to match up.
 

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Part of the problem is that only a few assets make sense for the celtics. Either young players with upside (worth too much to be traded for Bass or Thornton) or draft picks with expiring.(salary match is tough and 1sts are too valuable.)
Best case scenario is someone panics at the deadline and gives up a heavily protected 1st. More likely it's either a 2nd or nothing.
 

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Thornton's value isn't negative as he's an expiring deal. The downside is that you're taking on dead salary to move him. He's a buyout candidate after the trade deadline. Prince has value to contenders, but the salary makes it tough to match up.
That was kinda my point. If you're forced to take on dead salary you aren't gaining an asset in return unless you are simply carrying an excess contract to make a larger deal like we did with Raef and then Theo.
 

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When you're trading someone that makes approximately $9 million you're always forced to take back a minimum of $6.5 million. I'm sure that Boston could get a draft pick for Thornton if they wanted one, but it's reasonable to think that they might value the extra cap space over a late second round pick.
 

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When you're trading someone that makes approximately $9 million you're always forced to take back a minimum of $6.5 million. I'm sure that Boston could get a draft pick for Thornton if they wanted one, but it's reasonable to think that they might value the extra cap space over a late second round pick.
 
Cap space? The C's aren't trading Thornton or Bass to take on money for next year. If they're sent out, it will be for expiring contracts. 
 
You're right, they aren't trading Thornton for a guy making 6.5M or more past this season just to get a 2nd round pick that they don't need. That would be dumb.
 
Danny hasn't found a team willing to give up expiring contracts plus a pick or a cheap young player with a bit of upside, so he hasn't made a deal. Simple as that. If he doesn't get a deal like that, he'll keep both and let them walk at the end of the year.