2014 Broncos their last ride ?

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this is a thread where u can ask broncos q 
we can talk about the games etc etc all your other rivals has a 2014 page  
 

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quick thoughts on denver  
QB no way manning can repeat last season  but to me its all about his postseasons now we will see 
 
RB is a worry with moreno gone Ball is  solid as a starter but there is little behind him  
 
 
WR/TE  this is a deep and strong unit   D Thomas is a top 5 WR and Sanders could be close to decker with a pjod line of 70 1'000 and 8 td's  and he is faster than decker and tougher too  
welker is the slot as u know  
J Thomas is A Gates 2.0   
A Caldwell is 1 of the best num  4 WR'S in the NFL   
 
 
OL is weaker than u think with only Clady and Vasquez above Avg and other than Manning was the reason they lost the super bowl   
 
 
Defence next 
 

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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
how big of a loss do you think Moreno will be?
huge  yeah he gets hurt  etc etc but in manning system can pass protect so well   while M Ball is a better RB i do not know if monte can pass protect well or stay on the field for all 3 downs    
 
 
to beat SF Sea u must run right at them  punch them in the mouth   
 

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Defence
 
 
DE IF D Ware can stay on the field i expect a huge pass rush jump    from last year     M Jackson is a underrated DE really came on in the playoffs  D Woife is a ? i do not know if he will be the same    
 
 
DT deepest pos on the Def   with Sy Williams Terrance Knighton who had a outstanding season L Y    and kevin Vickandson making a deep 3 man rotation  
 
 
OLB V Miller when on the field can pass rush with anyone   the other spot will go to Danny Trevathan   who is feast or famine   Steven Johnson is a ST guy    
 
 
MLB this will be a high draft pick or nate irving  who is too slow and can not cover well   
CB Talib is a top 3 CB if Healthy  Best Case Champ Bailey of 05 06  worst case Dale Carter 1999    
Chris Harris is a budding star that will command 8 mil or more in FA next year
 
right now K Webtser is the nickel back who is up/down as a CB  
 
 
Saf  R Moore has the tools to be a strong FS but needs to stay on the field    
 
TJ Ward could be a star denver has not had good SS play for years   
 

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Denver Needs  going into the draft  
1 MLB 
2 LG Or RT 
3 RB 
4 Nicker CB 
5 DE can never have enough DE  
 

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Here's my question about Denver: have they really improved this offseason?  Don't get me wrong, Ware, Talib, and Ward are excellent football players, and Ward is an upgrade at SS, no doubt about it.  But Ware and Talib have big shoes to fill in Phillips and DRC.  The question isn't whether Ware and Talib will be better than Phillips and DRC in 2014, as I think they will.  The question is will they provide more for Denver than Phillips and DRC did last year, when both played at an exceptionally high leve?.  It seems like Denver paid a premium to get a better guaranteed return at those positions in 14, but they didn't necessarily improve at either position.  
 
Of course, Denver doesn't really have to improve.  They were the best team in the AFC last year, and with a ton of injuries, too, so simply maintaining that level will put them at or near the top of the AFC.  But they have also lost some important pieces elsewhere (Moreno, Decker, Beattles) where regression is possible, and at some point Manning's age will catch up to him.  
 

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Another factor to keep in mind, and one that never seems to be calculated into these types of discussions but should be, is how much better the rest of the division will be.  KC overachieved last year but lost some important pieces.  SD came on towards the end of the season and could be better next year.  Oakland has made a lot of improvements and has nowhere to go but up.  This is important because even if Denver is still the best team in the division, and they probably are, if the division is improved enough that Denver loses 1-2 additional divisional games, it could cost them a bye and homefield advantage for the playoffs.  Also, the fact that they play the NFC West instead of the NFC East could result in an extra loss or two as opposed to last year.  
 

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Sox and Rocks said:
Here's my question about Denver: have they really improved this offseason?  Don't get me wrong, Ware, Talib, and Ward are excellent football players, and Ward is an upgrade at SS, no doubt about it.  But Ware and Talib have big shoes to fill in Phillips and DRC.  The question isn't whether Ware and Talib will be better than Phillips and DRC in 2014, as I think they will.  The question is will they provide more for Denver than Phillips and DRC did last year, when both played at an exceptionally high leve?.  It seems like Denver paid a premium to get a better guaranteed return at those positions in 14, but they didn't necessarily improve at either position.  
 
Of course, Denver doesn't really have to improve.  They were the best team in the AFC last year, and with a ton of injuries, too, so simply maintaining that level will put them at or near the top of the AFC.  But they have also lost some important pieces elsewhere (Moreno, Decker, Beattles) where regression is possible, and at some point Manning's age will catch up to him.  
Manning will drop some no doubt  and i think that and the poor or embarrassed SB Loss   drove elway to make these moves the only  loss so far is Moreno   Decker was our 4th option D Thomas Welker 3rd down and J Thomas  Beattles was our 4th or 5th best OL  if Ware is Healthy he should get 10-12 sacks  DRC was more up/down than the MSM Thought and elway was pissed that he was hinting rem during SB Week  
 

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Sox and Rocks said:
Another factor to keep in mind, and one that never seems to be calculated into these types of discussions but should be, is how much better the rest of the division will be.  KC overachieved last year but lost some important pieces.  SD came on towards the end of the season and could be better next year.  Oakland has made a lot of improvements and has nowhere to go but up.  This is important because even if Denver is still the best team in the division, and they probably are, if the division is improved enough that Denver loses 1-2 additional divisional games, it could cost them a bye and homefield advantage for the playoffs.  Also, the fact that they play the NFC West instead of the NFC East could result in an extra loss or two as opposed to last year.  
yeah Denver will not get home field could go 0-4 aga the NFC West    5-1 or 4-2 aga the AFC West a loss to NE and maybe a loss to indy  
 
Best Case 12 Wins  Lose @ NE @ SEA @ SD @ STL   
 
Worst Case 10 Wins  Lose @ NE @ SEA @ SD @ KC  SF and INDY or @ NYJ   
 

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the Reason i favor NE this year  and i told my Broncos SB Blog this they disagree but   
 
Your 2 big moves signed Revis Browner  were meant just for Denver passing attack
 
Browner is a touch overrated but aga Denver he is the type of cb that gives us fits  
 
U Are the only AFC Team that can match up now aga our WR  with Arrington and ryan as nicker and dime CB
 
plus u have a much more manageable Sch     arrowhead could be tougher than u guys think   esp if u get them before Week 8 
 
the only way Denver gets home field is winning 13 and winning @ ne  
 

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Sox and Rocks said:
Here's my question about Denver: have they really improved this offseason?  Don't get me wrong, Ware, Talib, and Ward are excellent football players, and Ward is an upgrade at SS, no doubt about it.  But Ware and Talib have big shoes to fill in Phillips and DRC.  The question isn't whether Ware and Talib will be better than Phillips and DRC in 2014, as I think they will.  The question is will they provide more for Denver than Phillips and DRC did last year, when both played at an exceptionally high leve?.  It seems like Denver paid a premium to get a better guaranteed return at those positions in 14, but they didn't necessarily improve at either position.  
 
Of course, Denver doesn't really have to improve.  They were the best team in the AFC last year, and with a ton of injuries, too, so simply maintaining that level will put them at or near the top of the AFC.  But they have also lost some important pieces elsewhere (Moreno, Decker, Beattles) where regression is possible, and at some point Manning's age will catch up to him.  
on Phillips asking him to get 10 Sacks again  would be hard 
 

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j-man said:
the Reason i favor NE this year  and i told my Broncos SB Blog this they disagree but   
 
Your 2 big moves signed Revis Browner  were meant just for Denver passing attack
 
Browner is a touch overrated but aga Denver he is the type of cb that gives us fits  
 
U Are the only AFC Team that can match up now aga our WR  with Arrington and ryan as nicker and dime CB
 
plus u have a much more manageable Sch     arrowhead could be tougher than u guys think   esp if u get them before Week 8 
 
the only way Denver gets home field is winning 13 and winning @ ne  
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FA acquisitions are nice and all but it will be the return to health of Vickerson and Wolfe, and whether Miller's PED suspension and injury affect his on-field performance in 2014. Ward is an upgrade at safety but how much? Their safety play wasn't terrible in 2013 and it wasn't the Achilles heel it was in the 2012 playoffs. Talib is very good when healthy. And while he probably is a bit better than DRC, there will be games that he is unable to physically compete in and then a traffic cone is more useful. 
 
Defensively, I'm seeing a wash with the possibility that Ward becomes the Steve Atwater replacement they've wanted for decades. 
 
On offense, unless they are releasing massive amounts of greenhouse gases and hoping to raise winter temperatures, I'll take the under on next year's AFCCG game-time temperature. The Super Bowl did nothing to dent my Manning Can't Play In Cold Weather theory.
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
 
On offense, unless they are releasing massive amounts of greenhouse gases and hoping to raise winter temperatures, I'll take the under on next year's AFCCG game-time temperature. The Super Bowl did nothing to dent my Manning Can't Play In Cold Weather theory.
 
By, say, increasing the amount of pizza deliveries by supporting a discount shitty pizza chain through a heavily funded advertising campaign?
 
Hmmm?
 
Just sayin'.
 

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Interesting that you think the OL is the reason the Broncos lost.
 
So the saying "you win or lose in the trenches" has been especially telling in XLIII, XLVI, XLVIII and the 2013 AFC Championship.
 
Makes me all the more insistent that the focus of the Pats Draft should be on interior OL.  I am also surprised that your thoughts on the Broncos Draft has OL as only the 2nd most important need.
 

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we could not block Seattle DE in the SB and their DT"S also got a contant push up the middle and other than D Thomas Decker was soft in fact other than D Thomas and Welker and Knighton everyone else had a shitty game 
 

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j-man said:
we could not block Seattle DE in the SB and their DT"S also got a contant push up the middle and other than D Thomas Decker was soft in fact other than D Thomas and Welker and Knighton everyone else had a shitty game 
 
In general, I'm wary of the "this is why we lost the SB" thinking to motivate off-season priorities. Denver won 13 times in the regular season and the AFC championship with that OL. If they win the AFC next year, there is a very good chance they don't play SEA again in the SB.
 
The obvious opposing view is that teams that make the playoffs/SB are more likely to have a good pass rush than a mediocre one. I guess this is a roundabout way of agreeing that they should prioritize the OL, but not necessarily because it helped them lose the SB. Rather, because I think the OL is the most important unit on any team and always should be prioritized.  
 
On a completely separate note, do you - or anyone else here - know much about the Broncos contract situations vis-a-vis their likelihood to be competitive past next year (assuming they have a functional Manning or a capable replacement)?
 

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dbn said:
 
In general, I'm wary of the "this is why we lost the SB" thinking to motivate off-season priorities. Denver won 13 times in the regular season and the AFC championship with that OL. If they win the AFC next year, there is a very good chance they don't play SEA again in the SB.
 
The obvious opposing view is that teams that make the playoffs/SB are more likely to have a good pass rush than a mediocre one. I guess this is a roundabout way of agreeing that they should prioritize the OL, but not necessarily because it helped them lose the SB. Rather, because I think the OL is the most important unit on any team and always should be prioritized.  
 
On a completely separate note, do you - or anyone else here - know much about the Broncos contract situations vis-a-vis their likelihood to be competitive past next year (assuming they have a functional Manning or a capable replacement)?
well in 15 the cap should be 145 mil give or take   we have 6 mil in room  let assume welker gone that 8 mil Free  Tramme and Dreenen will be gone that 5 more mil   so denver should have  30-35 mil or so to play with   well D Thomas will take 10-12 mil  off J Thomas will take 9-10 mil   off  so there goes about 22 mil   just on those 2 even if manning takes a pay cut it will only be 3-5 mil  then denver can keep 1 maybe 2 of these 3  C Harris CB Plob will cost 5 y 45 mil   O Franklin and R Moore will be gone also FA after 14    and plod V Miller can stay away from the herb Elway will lock him up after 15   Denver will use the 5th year opinion on him keeping him around for at least 2 more years  
 

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broncos sign C W Montgomery to a 1 y 1.3 mil deal  will play C or LG  with Ramirez playing LG or C  
 

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j-man said:
Denver Needs  going into the draft  
1 MLB 
2 LG Or RT 
3 RB 
4 Nicker CB 
5 DE can never have enough DE  
with the Add of Montgomery     denver needs are now as such    
1  MLB 
2 Nickr CB 
3 RB 
4 DE 
5 FS in case moore leaves after 2014  in the 14 or 15 draft  
6 WR Sanders is a ideal slot man   and will be in that role after 2014   in the 14/15 draft 
 

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j-man said:
we could not block Seattle DE in the SB and their DT"S also got a contant push up the middle and other than D Thomas Decker was soft in fact other than D Thomas and Welker and Knighton everyone else had a shitty game 
and i forgot to say Danny T also had a good game   ROLB 
 

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Peyton Manning attending a meeting with Nick Saban is only a violation of NFL rules if Peyton is not a coach for the Broncos. 
 
Under the league policy that was installed back in 2011, players  “are not permitted to participate in … group or individual meetings with coaches” until the offseason workout programs officially begin. The rule falls under Article 21, Section 2(a)(ii).
 
 
But I'm sure the NFL will be doing everything properly to address this rules violation and Goodell will be getting out his Wheel of Fines any minute now.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Peyton Manning attending a meeting with Nick Saban is only a violation of NFL rules if Peyton is not a coach for the Broncos. 
 
 
But I'm sure the NFL will be doing everything properly to address this rules violation and Goodell will be getting out his Wheel of Fines any minute now.
if manning gets fined it will be small   he knows that barring a major surprise NE will be his main roadblock for another sb app     
 

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soxfan121 said:
Peyton Manning attending a meeting with Nick Saban is only a violation of NFL rules if Peyton is not a coach for the Broncos. 
 
 
But I'm sure the NFL will be doing everything properly to address this rules violation and Goodell will be getting out his Wheel of Fines any minute now.
The violation wouldn't be Manning's meeting with Saban, but Manning accompanying his OC, Adam Gase, in meeting with Saban. In another article linked to this one, there's a possibility that Gase was meeting with Saban, and Manning decided to join them.
 

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what Curtis said   manning should know he can not do that  but the blame is on gase but denver Off is not the plom   Denver is the 1999-2001 rams   is the D it was weak because teams had to throw and we had no pass rush   
 
 
 
now yes that seattle game  was awful  but after studying that game and watching every play   what happened was 1 Seattle DE AND DT beat our OT and G and C about 90 percent on the time   2  we gave on the run too quick and CJ Anderson should had been the backup   with ball the starter   3 the seattle Off coaches outsmarted the def coaches of denver  spend us out in 4-5 wide letting wilson make plays   4 denver WR and TE'S also developing gator arms expect for D Thomas and welker   
 
5 manning costs us at least 10 points to seattle  should had took a sack of the both  INT   
 

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 Denver 2014 Sch 
Week 1 INDY  SNF 
Week 2 KC  
Week 3 @ Sea  
Week 4 bye  
Week 5 Arizona 
Week 6 @ NYJ 
Week 7 SF SNF 
Week 8 SD THF CBS  
Week 9 @ NE 
Week 10 @ Oak 
Week 11 @ STL 
Week 12 MIA 
Week 13 @ KC 
Week 14  BUFF 
Week 15 @ SD
Week 16 @ Ciny MNF  
Week 17   Oak  
 

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my gut picks INDY W KC W @ SEA L ZONA W @ NYJ W  SF W SD L @ NE L @ OAK W  @ STL W  MIA W   @ KC L BUFF W @ SD W @ Ciny L  Oak W