2014 Draft Game Day 3: Binkie Watch

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I like the double dip on OLine. We needed the bodies and potential upgrades. Plus how can you not like a guy named Stork? I haven't seen too much of Fleming and i know i didn't pay attention to him in any of the Stamford games i watched. Old fart tree or anyone else have an opinion here?
 

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phragle said:
Just when you think you have the tendencies figured out they draft a OL with poor agility drills and vertical
 
 
Super Nomario said:
Another massive, mediocre athlete to go with Stork. Interesting.
 
 
And these selections occur right after Scar's retirement. 
 

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Super Nomario said:
Another massive, mediocre athlete to go with Stork. Interesting.
Too many fatties running over our middle, so draft some fatties to counteract the fatties.
 

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mascho said:
This might be the OL component to life at the end of Brady. Emphasis on big and strong up front to aid in the run game.
I would think the other way around - the light, quick OL are good at pulling and getting to the second level in the run game. The bigger guys might be more about pass protection.
 

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Shaw said the talked about moving Fleming to the left side but questioned his speed against the fastest rush ends. But that he was so good on the right side they never tried it and left him there.
 

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Pats might be happier with their DLine then we think. Armstead is an unknown, jones,Vellano and Siliga provide at least functional depth.

I would still like to see red zone help for the offense. Gronk and Dobson only guys with height. Still love Coleman, but also Washington out of Mizzou
 

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Super Nomario said:
Stork, too.
 
They have gotten beaten up inside several times in the playoffs in recent years; seems like getting bigger and better able to win those battles is a goal.   Wonder if that reflects a shift in OLine coach, too, in terms of philosophy
 

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SMU_Sox said:
I guess Reid is getting dinged for playing in the Ivy league. Somewhat surprised he didn't get snagged in the 3rd.
 
Yet Garoppolo played in like the Ohio Valley Conference
 
Super Nomario said:
Stork, too.
 
I think there's a different standard for the center position. Maybe Fleming can play there. Throwing picks at center until you get one could work.
 

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Pats might be happier with their DLine then we think. Armstead is an unknown, jones,Vellano and Siliga provide at least functional depth.

I would still like to see red zone help for the offense. Gronk and Dobson only guys with height. Still love Coleman, but also Washington out of Mizzou
Yeah, you can make an argument DL depth is OK. But LB and safety depth is lousy, unless you really like Patrick Chung or Steve Beauharnais.
 

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phragle said:
 
Yet Garoppolo played in like the Ohio Valley Conference
 
 
I think there's a different standard for the center position. Maybe Fleming can play there. Throwing picks at center until you get one could work.
Usually they go really small at C, though. Wendell is 6'2" 300 but quick. Connolly is a little bigger (6'4" 305) but pretty fast (remember his KR TD?). Koppen is 6'2" 296. Failed attempts like Nick McDonald, Ted Larsen, and Rich Ohrnberger were all in that range, too. Stork's the biggest dude they've tried there.
 
EDIT: but they could see Stork as G option, I guess.
 

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Pats remaining picks (pending further transactions):
 
Round 6, Pick 3 (#179)
Round 6, Pick 22 (#198)
Round 6, Pick 30 (#206)
Round 7, Pick 29 (#244)
 

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Super Nomario said:
Usually they go really small at C, though. Wendell is 6'2" 300 but quick. Connolly is a little bigger (6'4" 305) but pretty fast (remember his KR TD?). Koppen is 6'2" 296. Failed attempts like Nick McDonald, Ted Larsen, and Rich Ohrnberger were all in that range, too. Stork's the biggest dude they've tried there.
 
EDIT: but they could see Stork as G option, I guess.
I think they can use Stork at guard and center.  He's played guard at FSU too.
 
Just making sure: is Storm Johnson still out there?
 

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Super Nomario said:
Usually they go really small at C, though. Wendell is 6'2" 300 but quick. Connolly is a little bigger (6'4" 305) but pretty fast (remember his KR TD?). Koppen is 6'2" 296. Failed attempts like Nick McDonald, Ted Larsen, and Rich Ohrnberger were all in that range, too. Stork's the biggest dude they've tried there.
 
EDIT: but they could see Stork as G option, I guess.
 
I'm not sure if size matter or if it just happens to come with the quickness they like.
 
Maybe they saw Wendell get abused and said let's get a big guy.
 

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Yes he is, and fumble issues aside I think he'd be a great fit with the Pats.
He fumbles a ton and can't block, I can't see Belichick drafting a guy with those two problems.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Sure, but Stork and Fleming don't come with the quickness they like.
 
That's what I'm thinking.
 
They lack of quickness is what's puzzling, not the extra size.
 
I believe there are some no-so-atheltic centers they've picked, but guards and center almost always have a good vertical jump. Like even Donald Thomas had a good vert. Just about the only combine drill Cannon performed well in was the vert.
 
Fleming did at 2" to his vert in his pro day.
 

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Regarding Fleming, on SI.com's draft tracker thing, he's tied for the highest score of anyone drafted in the 4th round, and of the four guys who are tied with him, one has a SI.com picture that makes him look like Lattimer from The Program, and the other shares a surname with a character from The Wire
 
I'm sold.
 

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I wonder if the Pats feel like they're going to be able to get players as UDFAs at some positions. Guys who might be good fits are Zurlon Tipton (RB, Central Michigan), Eric Pinkins (S, SDSU), and Gator Hoskins (TE/FB, Marshall), none of whom was a Combine invite. Jeremy Gallon (WR, Michigan), Garrett Scott (OL, Marshall), and Nic Jacobs (TE, McNeese State) are other guys who might go undrafted.
 

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A friend of mine (big Giants fan) thought AJ was certain to go to the Pats at some point, but just sent me this:  
 
Apparently my man McCarron pissed off a bunch of GMs during the scouting process by coming across as very cocky. Then after he was not drafted in the first round, he apparently tweeted something critical about NFL GMs for passing on him.  I still like his talent, but sounds like he is quite a jerk.
 
I hope Michael Sam gets drafted, if for no other reason than I don't want to see a bunch of stories about why Michael Sam wasn't drafted.
 

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I actually like the Pats picks today.  I'm a big, big fan of guys who played in college and come out more polished, as opposed to projects and these guys fit that bill.  Stork was the anchor of a very good, national championship O Line, and is reportedly a guy that doesn't talk much, but when he does, people listen.  Leader.  I'm a huge fan of James White, and had he not been in constant platoon situations, he might have put up absolutely absurd numbers at Wisconsin.  Can't speak too much to Fleming, but if they hit on 2 out of 3 of these guys and get contributions from them, that's a win.
 
I'm just tuning into the rest of the draft coverage.  I assume Michael Sam hasn't been drafted yet?  Where do folks have him projected to be drafted?  I really hope he doesn't go undrafted.  Based on what he did in college, he should be drafted on that alone (given the guys who will get drafted that didn't do shit), so I hope that folks don't pass on him out of fear of what it might do to the locker room or whatever.  It's a great story, and the courage he showed to come out when he did knowing the draft was coming is something to be noted. 
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I'm just tuning into the rest of the draft coverage.  I assume Michael Sam hasn't been drafted yet?  Where do folks have him projected to be drafted?  I really hope he doesn't go undrafted.  Based on what he did in college, he should be drafted on that alone (given the guys who will get drafted that didn't do shit), so I hope that folks don't pass on him out of fear of what it might do to the locker room or whatever.  It's a great story, and the courage he showed to come out when he did knowing the draft was coming is something to be noted. 
 
If he goes undrafted, it'll be a big story. Most services projected him to be a 6th-rounder.
 

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There goes McCarron, to Cinci.
 
phragle said:
Just when you think you have the tendencies figured out they draft a OL with poor agility drills and vertical
 
The NFL combine conducts more useless and idiotic tests on prospects than the FDA performs on food and drugs (since they just approve everything anyway). Seriously, what the fuck do the 3-cone drill and vertical leap have to do with an offensive lineman's job assignments? Unless you're going to put him on special teams to defend field goals and extra points, it doesn't matter how high he can jump. Ditto for the agility crap. Tell me the last time an OL needed to maneuver like that in a game situation.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Super Nomario, on 10 May 2014 - 2:05 PM, said:
Another massive, mediocre athlete to go with Stork. Interesting.
 
Stork, too.
 
Pretty clear they see the NFL as overvaluing passing, and so with a generic QB, a slow back, and unathletic hogs up front, they are preparing to be the 1985 Washington Redskins.
 

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The last remaining undrafted player in the ESPN/Scout.com Top 100 is...
 
Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (#89)
 

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mabrowndog said:
There goes McCarron, to Cinci.
 
 
The NFL combine conducts more useless and idiotic tests on prospects than the FDA performs on food and drugs (since they just approve everything anyway). Seriously, what the fuck do the 3-cone drill and vertical leap have to do with an offensive lineman's job assignments? Unless you're going to put him on special teams to defend field goals and extra points, it doesn't matter how high he can jump. Ditto for the agility crap. Tell me the last time an OL needed to maneuver like that in a game situation.
 
My post was about tendencies. The pats usually draft players with exceptional verticals and good agility drills. 
 
But I do think your post is shit. Athleticism matters.