2014 Training Camp
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I don't know, I don't think Camara has that much upside. He seems more like a Byron Bitz type to me from what I've seen. Fringe 4th liner who will fight. Maybe I'm wrong.
Not related to training camp but B's goalie prospect Zane Gothberg has taken his mother's maiden name and is now Zane McIntyre.
He came in with some buzz last year, but never really established himself in Prov. He is also much smaller than Looch. He had some injury problems, so maybe he'll show more this year. Even at that, I don't see him ever sniffing a top 6 NHL role.
Camara had a real break out year 2012-2013.
In Lucic's final year in the WHL he put up:
70GP - 30G 38A 147 PIM
Camera's final year in the OHL had this line:
50GP 36G 24A 91 PIM
Prior to Lucic's final year, he had terrible stats pretty similar to Camara. Does that mean Camara is Lucic-lite? Maybe not. But it's certainly not out of the question.
In Lucic's final year in the WHL he put up:
70GP - 30G 38A 147 PIM
Camera's final year in the OHL had this line:
50GP 36G 24A 91 PIM
Prior to Lucic's final year, he had terrible stats pretty similar to Camara. Does that mean Camara is Lucic-lite? Maybe not. But it's certainly not out of the question.
Camara generally gets the short end of the stick in his fights as well, more of a Campbell type with the gloves off than Lucic.
He is good at cheap-shotting the opposition though (including Seth Griffith after they'd both been drafted by the B's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOCEm3I4wHA
edit: Worth noting that in his breakout year, he was on a line with Mark Scheifele
edit 2: lest we forget his cheapshot on Max Domi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjfVOkurwZY
He is good at cheap-shotting the opposition though (including Seth Griffith after they'd both been drafted by the B's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOCEm3I4wHA
edit: Worth noting that in his breakout year, he was on a line with Mark Scheifele
edit 2: lest we forget his cheapshot on Max Domi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjfVOkurwZY
Speaking of Griffith, after a strong rookie camp he's getting the first look in Reilly Smith's spot.
Any word on Pastrnak? I'm hearing he left practice early after a Bartkowski hit yesterday....
Also, the Preseason game thread needs to be started soon, thank goodness.
Also, the Preseason game thread needs to be started soon, thank goodness.
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/513844646997655552LogansDad said:
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/513844646997655552
link to tweet
Went to the Black and Gold Scrimmage last night. Griffith did get 1st look at Smith's spot skating with Marchand and Bergy. For an intersquad game, Marchand played his instigator role to the hilt. At one point he cross checked Loui down after losing a puck battle. Leino started with Krejci, but halfway through the game they moved Loui to Krejci line.
There isn't too much you can tell from these games. All the goals were scored by guys destined for Providence. Svedberg looked solid as the only goalie not to get scored on. Gagne actually seemed to have some life left in him. I wasn't expecting much, but he showed some good burst. Seids never relied on his speed, but he has a way to go. He couldn't keep up with anyone, but I expect he'll improve with time. One concerning thing was Spooner getting beat soundly at the dot all game. If he can't handle the faceoffs I don't see him making the team.
There isn't too much you can tell from these games. All the goals were scored by guys destined for Providence. Svedberg looked solid as the only goalie not to get scored on. Gagne actually seemed to have some life left in him. I wasn't expecting much, but he showed some good burst. Seids never relied on his speed, but he has a way to go. He couldn't keep up with anyone, but I expect he'll improve with time. One concerning thing was Spooner getting beat soundly at the dot all game. If he can't handle the faceoffs I don't see him making the team.
Boston Bruins make 10 roster transactions
Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced that the following 10 players have been released from the Boston Bruins training camp and will join the Providence Bruins training camp:
Andrew Ammon
Tommy Cross (subject to clearing waivers)
Steve Eminger
Rob Flick
Cory Kane
Adam Morrison
Frankie Simonelli
Ethan Werek
Ben Youds
Mike Young.
Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced that the following 10 players have been released from the Boston Bruins training camp and will join the Providence Bruins training camp:
Andrew Ammon
Tommy Cross (subject to clearing waivers)
Steve Eminger
Rob Flick
Cory Kane
Adam Morrison
Frankie Simonelli
Ethan Werek
Ben Youds
Mike Young.
Boston Bruins make 11 roster transactions
Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced today, September 28, that the following 11 players have been released from the Boston Bruins training camp. The following players will join the Providence Bruins training camp:
Chris Casto
Alex Fallstrom
Brian Ferlin
Seth Griffith
Jared Knight
Matt Lindblad
Joe Morrow
Tyler Randell (subject to clearing waivers)
Ben Sexton
Zach Trotman
Bracken Kearns has been released from his tryout agreement with the club.
Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced today, September 28, that the following 11 players have been released from the Boston Bruins training camp. The following players will join the Providence Bruins training camp:
Chris Casto
Alex Fallstrom
Brian Ferlin
Seth Griffith
Jared Knight
Matt Lindblad
Joe Morrow
Tyler Randell (subject to clearing waivers)
Ben Sexton
Zach Trotman
Bracken Kearns has been released from his tryout agreement with the club.
So... who's left competing for the small number of jobs?
F: Caron, Cunningham, Florek, Fraser, Khoko, Leino, Spooner
D: Warsofsky
Missing anyone "new"?
F: Caron, Cunningham, Florek, Fraser, Khoko, Leino, Spooner
D: Warsofsky
Missing anyone "new"?
With Krug back, there's no way Warsofsky makes the team.
There are 2 spots open. Based on his performance in last year's playoffs, and how he's done so far in the preseason, I think Fraser has the lead. Gagne has a chance (his performance has been very polar, awesome or awful), and I think that Spooner or Khoko might also have a chance, but I don't think they've shined enough to be definitive.
There are 2 spots open. Based on his performance in last year's playoffs, and how he's done so far in the preseason, I think Fraser has the lead. Gagne has a chance (his performance has been very polar, awesome or awful), and I think that Spooner or Khoko might also have a chance, but I don't think they've shined enough to be definitive.
Florek, Spooner and Khokhlachev sent to Providence. Jeremy Smith is on waivers.
Edit: So I believe the bubble guys remaining in camp are Robins, Lindblad, Pastrnak, Fraser and Gagne.
Edit: So I believe the bubble guys remaining in camp are Robins, Lindblad, Pastrnak, Fraser and Gagne.
Sooooo
Robins, Cunningham, Gagne, Fraser, Pastrnak, and Caron still with the big club.
Edit: whoops didn't see the edit.
Robins, Cunningham, Gagne, Fraser, Pastrnak, and Caron still with the big club.
Edit: whoops didn't see the edit.
Not sure what the team sees in Caron, but it's obviously something.
Pro-Gagne/Fraser/Pastrnak; Anti-Cunningham/Caron
Pro-Gagne/Fraser/Pastrnak; Anti-Cunningham/Caron
FL4WL3SS said:
I think Caron is a perfect 13th forward for a team with cap issues. He's a guy with NHL experience that the team doesn't mind having as a healthy scratch for a long period of time. He's an emergency forward at a $600,000 cap hit.
I don't really see the point of burning a year of Pastrnak's ELC on his age 18 season. Other that Bergeron, a unique talent, no good has really ever come of the Bruins doing this. Better to send him back to Europe and get his age 19-21 seasons under the ELC.
Of course, the Bruins may just want to get a long look at him since he missed most of camp, and his ELC is not even burned until his 10th regular season game.
Haggerty has an article implying that there is some disagreement between Julien and Chiarelli on how to fill out the roster. (No mysteriously quoted 13-year old girls, however).
Of course, the Bruins may just want to get a long look at him since he missed most of camp, and his ELC is not even burned until his 10th regular season game.
Haggerty has an article implying that there is some disagreement between Julien and Chiarelli on how to fill out the roster. (No mysteriously quoted 13-year old girls, however).
I think Chia needs to defer to Julien on this one. If it's not working after the first month, then he can change the roster.
I'm with Chiarelli on this. The Merlot line was fun and help immensely in 2011, but they've largely been exposed be past 3 playoff years. Let's get some skill there. They've got plenty of of the grinder/PK types in the top 9 to survive a young, skilled 4th line (say Paille - Spooner - Florek). 4th lines typically get ~10 minutes of sheltered ice time per game, so we'mre not talking heavy minutes here. It's an area where the Bruins youth and depth can help create an advantage over other teams.
Edit: Robins still being around basically contradicts the decision to let Thornton go. Yeah he is cheaper, but they justified the Thornton decision by saying at the time fighting was down.
Edit: Robins still being around basically contradicts the decision to let Thornton go. Yeah he is cheaper, but they justified the Thornton decision by saying at the time fighting was down.
FL4WL3SS said:
Why anti Cunningham? Kid has done nothing but produce since signing his pro contract. He is smallish, but bigger than Pasta at this point. He skates well, works hard.
In terms of Gagne I hope it works well, but I fear we are going to see Glacier part 2 with him. reports of him in preseason games have not been positive.
I assume that they are giving Gagne lots of looks because they have a feel already for what they have with the kids but not with him.
Bobby Robins, huh? Kind of want to root for the guy, but at 32 years old he has shown all he has to offer.
I have seen highlights of some fights and some checks...brings some energy, is there more?
I have seen highlights of some fights and some checks...brings some energy, is there more?
SawxSince67 said:
No. But, on the bright side, he looks to be a more effective body checker than Thornton was. He seems to be a step quicker than Thornton was at the end as well, so he may end up being a better forechecking presence. I don't think he has anything for hands though, at least with his gloves on.
It seems like a lot of the Bruins cuts have asset management in mind. Guys that need to be exposed to waivers are getting real long looks (Robins, Cunningham, Fraser) and probably the benefit of the doubt. It wouldn't surprise me if they hang onto Cunningham. He seems unlikely to clear waivers given his AHL production and versatility. I'm not sure he's anything, but I wouldn't blame them if they want to give him a longer look at the expense of a guy like Robins.
Lots of energy, not much else. They will keep him as a scratch I bet, as long as he's a good fighter. The Bruins love their tough guys, and he's a lot cheaper than Thornton would have been. Still, it's a waste of a roster spot to me. I'd much rather see them hold onto Cunningham and send Robins down. Cunningham is quick and scrappy. That's a much better fit for the current NHL.SawxSince67 said:
As for Gagne, he's been meh. I wonder if he might be sent out once Campbell returns. Fraser has been solid, so he intrigues me on that line with Yeti. I'm very curious to see how they come out this season. Is Reilly Smith for real? Will Soderberg make "the leap"? Will Eriksson break out playing with Krejci and Looch?
Very curious season to me, but I will say this, Dougie Hamilton looks like a beast. He is going to be an animal this year. I'm hard just thinking about it.
My opening night lineup would be:
Lucic - Krejci - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Fraser - Soderberg - Pastrnak
Paille - Kelly - Cunningham
Caron/Robins
Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Boychuk
Krug - Miller
Bartkowski/McQuaid- Whichever survives the cap dump.
Rask
Svedberg
The reviews on Gagne have been mixed, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money to sign him. They're tight against the cap as is, no sense in wasting both the contract and the vet minimum ~$800K salary on him when they have other alternatives available in Robins/Cunningham/Caron and even the higher upside guys like Spooner and Koko available. I'd keep Pastrnak for the 9-game tryout, and stick him for Soderberg to start. He may get into game action this weekend, so he is close to being ready and Gregory Campbell's injury allows them to bump Kelly down and open a top-9 wing spot for Pastrnak's trial. If it doesn't work, he goes back to Sweden. We all know what Caron basically sucks is but he's useful as a healthy scratch and bottom 6 plug-in type. I would give Cunningham a more extended look before committing to Caron as an everyday player on the 4th line. Robins is the goon to fill out the opening night 23-man roster, but I wouldn't keep him up for long.
Lucic - Krejci - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Fraser - Soderberg - Pastrnak
Paille - Kelly - Cunningham
Caron/Robins
Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Boychuk
Krug - Miller
Bartkowski/McQuaid- Whichever survives the cap dump.
Rask
Svedberg
The reviews on Gagne have been mixed, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money to sign him. They're tight against the cap as is, no sense in wasting both the contract and the vet minimum ~$800K salary on him when they have other alternatives available in Robins/Cunningham/Caron and even the higher upside guys like Spooner and Koko available. I'd keep Pastrnak for the 9-game tryout, and stick him for Soderberg to start. He may get into game action this weekend, so he is close to being ready and Gregory Campbell's injury allows them to bump Kelly down and open a top-9 wing spot for Pastrnak's trial. If it doesn't work, he goes back to Sweden. We all know what Caron basically sucks is but he's useful as a healthy scratch and bottom 6 plug-in type. I would give Cunningham a more extended look before committing to Caron as an everyday player on the 4th line. Robins is the goon to fill out the opening night 23-man roster, but I wouldn't keep him up for long.
I don't think Gagne has cleared himself given the cap crunch, and the ~200k they'll save by going with a younger player matters. He's gone.
Caron lasts this season as the 13th guy, then is gone.
Lucic - Krecji - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Fraser - Soderberg - Pastrnak (for the 9 game tryout, only keep him if he excels)
Paille - Kelly - Cunningham
Caron
Have Campbell come back when Pastrnak's tryout is up, and then go with the following as the bottom 6
Fraser-Soderberg-Paille
Kelly-Campbell-Cunningham
Chara - Boychuk
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Krug- McQuaid
Miller
Rask
Svedberg
Caron lasts this season as the 13th guy, then is gone.
Lucic - Krecji - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Fraser - Soderberg - Pastrnak (for the 9 game tryout, only keep him if he excels)
Paille - Kelly - Cunningham
Caron
Have Campbell come back when Pastrnak's tryout is up, and then go with the following as the bottom 6
Fraser-Soderberg-Paille
Kelly-Campbell-Cunningham
Chara - Boychuk
Seidenberg - Hamilton
Krug- McQuaid
Miller
Rask
Svedberg
Good info on Robins, thanks.
Fun (to me) fact: Craig Cunningham was on the Memorial Cup winning 2007 Vancouver Giants with Lucic.
http://www.vancouvergiants.com/article/vancouver-giants-alumni-update-part-3-6
Fun (to me) fact: Craig Cunningham was on the Memorial Cup winning 2007 Vancouver Giants with Lucic.
http://www.vancouvergiants.com/article/vancouver-giants-alumni-update-part-3-6
Robins is a great story. A guy that has really payed his dues. Most guys like him are done after being dropped down from the AHL to the ECHL and Euro league tiers. He somehow parlayed a PTO with the PBruins as roster fodder to get them through a stretch when they were down a few players into being on the brink of making his 1st NHL team at 32.SawxSince67 said:
I'd love to see him get into a few NHL games and maybe knock in a goal. That being said, I don't think he'd be a detriment to the team as an energy/ situation player but it seems it's counter to their stated direction to add more skill to the 4th line. He is also extremely prone to taking incredibly stupid penalties. He pushes the boundaries as the energy guy / enforcer too far and puts his team in shorthanded situations. I'm rooting for him because he seems to be a genuinely good guy and an excellent teammate, but it's a spot that probably should go to someone else like Cunningham who can add some scoring to the 4th line.
Yes, but that puts a lot of weight on McQuaid's shoulders as the only credible inhibitor of mischief against our skilled forwards. And McQuaid, by many accounts, is on the block.RIFan said:
Miller would step into that role if McQuaid is traded, no?
And do we really need one?
Krejci line has Lucic. Nobody wants to fight Lucic, so that serves as a deterrent, and he's shown he'll go when necessary to protect/avenge his linemates.
Bergeron line... well, Marchy is more likely to be a creator of mischief than a receiver.
Campbell, McQuaid/Miller serve as the guys who do "spark plug" fights when the Bs or the other team wants a fight to try to motivate the team.
And do we really need one?
Krejci line has Lucic. Nobody wants to fight Lucic, so that serves as a deterrent, and he's shown he'll go when necessary to protect/avenge his linemates.
Bergeron line... well, Marchy is more likely to be a creator of mischief than a receiver.
Campbell, McQuaid/Miller serve as the guys who do "spark plug" fights when the Bs or the other team wants a fight to try to motivate the team.
When is the last shoe going to drop? We're a week away from real play and the roster is still up in the air.
If Chia can't find trading partners, then we're going to see a few guys try to get stuffed through waivers, I think.
If Chia can't find trading partners, then we're going to see a few guys try to get stuffed through waivers, I think.
Forgot about Miller's pugilistic prowess. After the Montreal series he faded from the picture for me. That was probably wrong.TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
I'd be afraid to suggest to Lucic that he had responsibilities in this area—seems like a bad idea for his game and focus and (team) PK time and all the rest of it.
Campbell puts no fear in anyone's heart, nor does Marchy. If McQuaid is still here, he's part of the answer, and I guess Miller, too. Bobby Robins takes people apart. If the John Scotts of the world want to dance, Bobby should be his partner—not an essential roster piece.
Forgot about Miller though. I hope he holds up better over the long haul because he was a very exciting addition for a while there.
Edit: Added graf breaks. And bad autocorrect
They have until Tuesday to get down to a 23-man cap compliant roster. They can send Hamilton down for a day as a paper transaction to help, but they'll still need to move money by then before LTIRing Savard.FL4WL3SS said:
FWIW, Dreger on TSN says the Bruins have no shortage of offers for our defencemen and could basically pull the trigger whenever they want. He says 5 West teams and 3 East are interested in any of the available guys. Lebrun mentioned Anaheim being after Boychuk but the price is high. Here's the link, they talk about the Bruins after the Ottawa stuff.
http://www.tsn.ca/video/insider-trading-senators-spending-1.97605
McQuaid is a logical guy to trade if they can find a taker. However, I do think that when healthy he's a better player than Miller. Probably not worth his added cost thought - and not reliable enough to be Boychuk's heir on next year's team.
Warsofsky is another candidate to be dealt - with Krug here but not ready for the top 4 there isn't really a place for him. And he surely won't survive waivers.
Warsofsky is another candidate to be dealt - with Krug here but not ready for the top 4 there isn't really a place for him. And he surely won't survive waivers.
I wouldn't "suggest" to Looch he has responsibilities. I simply expect that teams are a lot less likely to fuck around with his line given that he has been willing and capable of dismantling guys who mess with him or his line mates in the past.catomatic said:
Miller/McQuaid would also be available for the "don't fuck around with us fights."
Agree that no one's afraid of Campbell, as I have said in the past, I would fire him into the sun given the chance. His role is to take the energy fights rather than the "don't fuck around with us fights."
Also agree that no one's afraid of Marchy, was more making the point that that line tends to give more fuckery than it takes, so I don't think a Thornton/Robins-style protector is necessary for the team to have on their behalf.
I just hate the idea of carrying a guy whose job is to fight and who is essentially dead weight otherwise. While I agree it sucks to occasionally lose a "real" player to fighting, I think the team productivity-maximizing answer is to engage in less fighting but do it with real players when necessary.