2015 Colts: Karma Chameleon
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Freeman and Lindley have probably put up something like four of the five worst individual quarterbacking performances of the last three years so this should be an exciting battle heading into Chuck Pagano's final game as a coach. Winning with one of those two at the helm might even surpass edging out 3-12 Tennessee at home on the list of great accomplishments in American sport.
It's a strength of victory tiebreaker, so the Colts need the teams they beat to win and make up that margin.
If you're a Colts player who was on the team a few years ago, how pissed are you that Bruce Arians is in Arizona?
I believe Arians is a better coach than Pagano but the coach is not the problem. I am sure Arians would fail with the current Colts roster.
It's not like the Cardinals are not talented, that roster is stacked.
It's not like the Cardinals are not talented, that roster is stacked.
Probably only a little more pissed than Red Sox players looking down the bench at Farrell next year.
Do people think Pagano is going to get fired? I've seen murmurings, but it does seem a tad harsh to primarily blame him when the starting quarterback missed half of the season.
Of course, the team struggled from the first game of the season on, so I could see the rationale for it. I personally don't think he's a guy that can elevate a roster significantly farther than it's talent level (and it seems many here feel the same way), so maybe him not getting fired would be the outcome Pats fans actually want.
Of course, the team struggled from the first game of the season on, so I could see the rationale for it. I personally don't think he's a guy that can elevate a roster significantly farther than it's talent level (and it seems many here feel the same way), so maybe him not getting fired would be the outcome Pats fans actually want.
He doesn't have to get fired - he doesn't have a contract for 2016, having turn down a token one-year extension. He was probably gone no matter what.
They actually went 2-5 in Luck's starts and 5-3 in Hasselbeck's. I do agree Pagano isn't the main problem.
One of Griggs or Pagano has to go based on the fact that they were fighting in the locker room, in front of players, earlier this year.
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As Chuck Pagano and staff prepare to get the boot, someone leaked unflattering stuff about Ryan Grigson to @bkravitz http://wp.me/p14QSB-9X5D
As Chuck Pagano and staff prepare to get the boot, someone leaked unflattering stuff about Ryan Grigson to @bkravitz http://wp.me/p14QSB-9X5D
That coaching job is beyond radioactive… Who the hell would even think about taking this job as long as Grigson is calling the shots?
The involvement of Kravitz as the media hatchet man is a glorious ending to the shitshow in Indianapolis.
I am entertained.
I am entertained.
I wonder if there's any chance he won't. I suppose they all sign, but it would be fascinating if he just waited it out and hit free agency.
Isn't the smart move to get to full free agency and seek out a larger market with a competent management and ownership team? If he re-signs for this mess he deserves to be stuck there. And Stanford may take the degree back.
Except for multiple franchise tags which there is zero doubt they'll use. He could hold out but he seems too nice for that in general. If he does wow what a mess that'd be. Make the Mankins hold out look like nothing.
By the second franchise tag, he'd be prohibitively expensive to keep under the salary cap. Talking close to 30 million or more. If they want to keep tagging him, the way QBs are protected. Go for it.
I sometimes wondered how Luck would approach contract extension and free agency--he's a smart guy, and the stupidity along with the low-rent stuff that characterizes his team can't have been lost on him. However, he's already missed a bunch of time with injuries involving both musculoskeletal and organ damage. He's a walking poster child for why you take as much as you can as soon as you can in the NFL.
It's ridiculous that Grigson will be part of the search committee for a coach who may, make that almost certainly will, cost him his job when the new coach is in place. This has to be the place that Saban winds up if he chooses to jump to the NFL. The only other opening that might deter him from going to Indy is the Giants job, but a coach who thinks his last venture in the NFL failed because he chose the wrong QB would have to opt for Luck over Eli given the difference in their ages.
Agreed---it's a threat for the team more than a plan. And very disruptive. He also can simply tell them he isn't going to show up until week 9 (or whatever the limit is for getting the credited year). He has a ton of leverage; question is whether he uses it.
I realize Pagano was joking but it is a stupid joke, and it reflects poorly on both himself and his team. 1 your sucky team is wrapping up a horrible season. 2 the chances of your team making the playoffs is so remote that you are making jokes about it. 3 you are implying that your organization supports teams throwing games (and/or seasons). 4 your brother's team sucks too.
I dunno, I think a likely 8-8 finish while getting only 7 starts from your star, top-5 QB (several of those partly-injured) ain't all that bad a performance. I think humor is warranted, given the remoteness of the Colts' playoff scenario; there is far too little of it in the NFL in general.
8-8 in a terrible division, and they were even worse when their top 5 QB played (2-5 with Luck as the starter). It's all about expectations, and in preseason, the Colts had the 4th highest SB odds (behind Seattle, Green Bay and New England). This is a horrible season for them.
Yes. It was nuts. Here are a few examples:
PFT: #2 (Brady #3)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/13/who-are-the-top-10-nfl-quarterbacks/
SI:#4 (Brady #3)
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/07/28/top-10-quarterbacks-aaron-rodgers-tony-romo
USAToday:#3 or 5 (Brady #7 or #2)
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/who-should-be-the-highest-paid-quarterback-in-the-nfl-aaron-rodgers-andrew-luck-eli-manning-peyton-tom-brady
http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015/07/17/qb-rank-nfl-quarterbacks-rankings/
Bleacherreport: #2 (Brady #3)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2555598-who-are-the-nfls-top-qbs-entering-2015-season/page/7
GangGreen: #3 (Brady #4)
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/5/23/8650227/ranking-the-32-nfl-quarterbacks-in-2015
Fox Sports: #2 (Brady #3)
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/photos/best-nfl-quarterbacks-aaron-rodgers-andrew-luck-peyton-manning-russell-wilson-070715#img_9
Where was he on the all important Chris Simms list? #2
http://nesn.com/2015/09/tom-brady-still-cant-crack-chris-simms-top-five-nfl-quarterbacks-list/
http://nesn.com/2015/09/tom-brady-still-cant-crack-chris-simms-top-five-nfl-quarterbacks-list/
I'm far from a Luck defender, but he was 3rd in NFL in yards last year and led the NFL in TD passes and he was 25 years old.
It's not ridiculous to think he was going to get better and with guys like Manning falling off at the end of last season, top #3 might be a stretch, but top 5 wasn't too bad.
It's not ridiculous to think he was going to get better and with guys like Manning falling off at the end of last season, top #3 might be a stretch, but top 5 wasn't too bad.
Wait...Andrew Luck gets hurt in the first game of the season, plays like shit because A.) the injury, and B.) his stupid GM not knowing how to build an offensive line or a defense, and now Luck isn't a top 5 QB?
Which five QB would you rather have next season?
Which five QB would you rather have next season?
To be fair to him it's a wasted year so he didn't have the chance to show us anything different. But the fact remains that he turns the ball over a lot. 16 picks and 8 fumbles in 2014. If he did that again this year he'd be second to last in the league (in front of only Manning).
Now obviously he didn't get the chance to show that he can protect the ball better this year but questions will remain about him until he proves that he can
Now obviously he didn't get the chance to show that he can protect the ball better this year but questions will remain about him until he proves that he can
Wow. Throwing out the ages of Brady, Palmer, Rodgers, and Roeth, (which is a factor) but Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Brees, Winston and Mariota make you think? What does it make you think?
Age is not a factor. The discussion was top 5 QB, not projected future top 5 QB or top 5 QBs to build a team around.
Ok, fine, I threw out the ages. Can you explain anyone ranking Cutler, Bridgewater, Cousins, Winston, or Mariota ahead of Luck?
No. Certainly not for reasonable expectations going into this year. I think Luck was always in that second group of QBs outside of the top 5, but that many people expected him to make that leap into the top 5 this year. That was a reasonable expectation but there is no evidence that it would have materialized if he had been fully healthy.
I think the Colts problems this year were less about Luck's injury or the coaching and more about their roster construction heading into the year.
Cousins had a higher QB rating this season than Luck has ever had and has a higher career rating. Cousins had a higher QBR this season than Luck has ever had and completed nearly 70% of his passes. Luck has never been higher than 62%.
In the last 8 games of the season Cousins had a passer rating of 126.1 with 19 TDs and 2 INTs. He went 5-1 down the stretch, with a passer rating over 100 in every game, as the Redskins pushed for the playoffs. Can you imagine the genuflecting if Luck had done that?
I don't know. There's an argument there I'd guess. If Luck didn't have the aura about him we'd think he's Matthew Stafford.