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So someone smarter than me, if they're feeding the audio and video to a web stream why can't they just feed it to NESN+? I would think the hard part (cameras/announcers) would already be taken care of with the stream?
 

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Chara is day-to-day. Julien termed it as good news but was non-commital on Chara being ready for opening night.
 

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Cuts were made yesterday. DeBrusk, Zboril and Carlo (among others) returned to juniors. Most of the obvious guys were sent to Providence, but the notable guys sent down were McIntyre and Subban. Looking like Smith with be the backup, barring something unforeseen in the next 10 days.
 

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Cuts were made yesterday. DeBrusk, Zboril and Carlo (among others) returned to juniors. Most of the obvious guys were sent to Providence, but the notable guys sent down were McIntyre and Subban. Looking like Smith with be the backup, barring something unforeseen in the next 10 days.
 
I was scanning through Kirk's tweets this morning, and he seemed more inclined to think Gustavsson was the front runner and Smith was likely to get cut. With Gustavsson not getting any significant time recently, not sure how much I buy that. 
 
As for Smith, I haven't been very impressed. He's athletic, but his rebound control is awful and he seems to lose track of the puck at times behind the net. Rask is going to play 70 games again with someone like him behind him.
 

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I was scanning through Kirk's tweets this morning, and he seemed more inclined to think Gustavsson was the front runner and Smith was likely to get cut. With Gustavsson not getting any significant time recently, not sure how much I buy that. 
 
As for Smith, I haven't been very impressed. He's athletic, but his rebound control is awful and he seems to lose track of the puck at times behind the net. Rask is going to play 70 games again with someone like him behind him.
 
Gustavsson has been away from the team - new addition to the family.  At least that's what the NYR broadcasters said during the Bs-Rags game.  He's slated to backup Tuukka tonight according to the Bs official website.
 

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Projected lineup tonight based on Bostonbruins.com:
 
Brad Marchand — Patrice Bergeron — Loui Eriksson
Matt Beleskey — Austin Czarnik — David Pastrnak
Frank Vatrano — Ryan Spooner — Jimmy Hayes
Chris Kelly — Joonas Kemppainen — Max Talbot

Linus Arnesson — Kevan Miller
Torey Krug — Zach Trotman 
Joe Morrow — Colin Miller

Starting Goalie: Tuukka Rask // Backup: Jonas Gustavsson
 
I can't see them listed anywhere on TV tonight, and I don't see that they are streaming it on bruins.com. Does anyone know if this will be broadcast anywhere?
 

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I wish that for one period, for one game a week, they'd just do it like that.  I'm not looking for Jack/Brick to go anywhere at all, but I think one period with hockey sounds would be neat to hear every once and a while. 
 

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I wish that for one period, for one game a week, they'd just do it like that.  I'm not looking for Jack/Brick to go anywhere at all, but I think one period with hockey sounds would be neat to hear every once and a while. 
Something wrong with your Mute button?
 

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...where would the on-ice sounds come from?
I'll come by and make some rink noises for a fee. I work for beer. 
 

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It could be a good thing that neither Carlo nor Zboril are going to make the team. Defensemen peak later and having their age 18-21 seasons on the ELC is not ideal. By the time they're at their peak, they're paid top dollar or are on their next team. By keeping them in juniors, Bruins management has more time to determine if they merit a big extension at either their age 22/23 or 25/26 seasons rather than at age 20. Plus, the big extension would cover their prime whereas defensemen like Doughty and Hamilton will be free agents in their late 20s. 
 

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I don't think either was expected to make it, as it is usually just rare for all but the top picks to make the jump immediately.

I think Carlo getting a contract suggests that the Bruins have liked what they have seen so far, though. A good sign.
 

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It could be a good thing that neither Carlo nor Zboril are going to make the team. Defensemen peak later and having their age 18-21 seasons on the ELC is not ideal. By the time they're at their peak, they're paid top dollar or are on their next team. By keeping them in juniors, Bruins management has more time to determine if they merit a big extension at either their age 22/23 or 25/26 seasons rather than at age 20. Plus, the big extension would cover their prime whereas defensemen like Doughty and Hamilton will be free agents in their late 20s. 
 
I agree with EJ. Neither seemed likely to make the team this early, and I would be a little surprised if either makes next year's team. The Carlo signing seems more like a tip of the cap to him for having a great camp and having the attitude they want. It hopefully motivates someone like Zboril who was picked ahead of him and rated much higher. 
 
As far as their young picks, I agree with them that Carlo has stood out. DeBrusk definitely has skills around the net that are tough to teach. He has very quick hands and reaction, but has a long way to go as an open space player and with getting to NHL strength. Senyshyn is a project for sure, but you can see the talent. I would not be surprised to see him put up well over a point per game in juniors this year. He's probably going to take a longer path, so it will be interesting to see how they bear out. 
 
From an overall perspective, I think the Bruins have to be impressed with the way Morrow and C. Miller have played. Irwin has been solid as well, especially in the offensive zone, but in the games I've watched I have been very impressed with Miller and Morrow. I would not at all be surprised to see C. Miller replace K. Miller at some point in the first few months of the season. That type of mobility is invaluable in today's NHL, and C. Miller really looked much more solid than I expected in his own end. Morrow, on the other hand, looks ready to make the leap. He was the Bruins most effective defenseman to me of the bubble players. I'd like to see him starting the year in Boston in the top 6. 
 
As for forwards, Vatrano and Ceznarik (sp?) have been really good surprises. I don't expect Koko to play much in the NHL this year, so he may be KHL bound next year when he becomes an RFA. I just didn't see him separate himself from the other young forwards on the team. Spooner has looked very good in the offensive zone, but somewhat lost in his own end. His line with Connolly and Hayes had a trouble getting hemmed in at times this preseason, but has looked good offensively. It will be interesting to see how Claude deals with Spooner's lack of defensive prowess with his linemates, as I feel he could be exposed playing with Hayes and Connolly. Not sure what else he could do though, as the Marchand-Bergeron-Eriksson and Belesky-Krejci-Pastrnak have looked very very good to me. 
 
I'm excited for the season. They could surprise some people this year who are expecting them to challenge for the 8th spot. 
 

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AMcGhie said:
I wish that for one period, for one game a week, they'd just do it like that.  I'm not looking for Jack/Brick to go anywhere at all, but I think one period with hockey sounds would be neat to hear every once and a while.
Hit the SAP button on your tv/remote. It's meant to translate it to Spanish but NESN doesn't do it for hockey so you get just the on ice sounds.
 

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I have some mild concerns over goal scoring through this part of the preseason. They only have 2 ES 5x5 goals. The rest are PP of 3x3. Hard to read too much into it given the changes in lines and rosters between games, but it is something to keep an eye on.
 

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I agree with EJ. Neither seemed likely to make the team this early, and I would be a little surprised if either makes next year's team. The Carlo signing seems more like a tip of the cap to him for having a great camp and having the attitude they want. It hopefully motivates someone like Zboril who was picked ahead of him and rated much higher. 
 
As far as their young picks, I agree with them that Carlo has stood out. DeBrusk definitely has skills around the net that are tough to teach. He has very quick hands and reaction, but has a long way to go as an open space player and with getting to NHL strength. Senyshyn is a project for sure, but you can see the talent. I would not be surprised to see him put up well over a point per game in juniors this year. He's probably going to take a longer path, so it will be interesting to see how they bear out. 
 
From an overall perspective, I think the Bruins have to be impressed with the way Morrow and C. Miller have played. Irwin has been solid as well, especially in the offensive zone, but in the games I've watched I have been very impressed with Miller and Morrow. I would not at all be surprised to see C. Miller replace K. Miller at some point in the first few months of the season. That type of mobility is invaluable in today's NHL, and C. Miller really looked much more solid than I expected in his own end. Morrow, on the other hand, looks ready to make the leap. He was the Bruins most effective defenseman to me of the bubble players. I'd like to see him starting the year in Boston in the top 6. 
 
As for forwards, Vatrano and Ceznarik (sp?) have been really good surprises. I don't expect Koko to play much in the NHL this year, so he may be KHL bound next year when he becomes an RFA. I just didn't see him separate himself from the other young forwards on the team. Spooner has looked very good in the offensive zone, but somewhat lost in his own end. His line with Connolly and Hayes had a trouble getting hemmed in at times this preseason, but has looked good offensively. It will be interesting to see how Claude deals with Spooner's lack of defensive prowess with his linemates, as I feel he could be exposed playing with Hayes and Connolly. Not sure what else he could do though, as the Marchand-Bergeron-Eriksson and Belesky-Krejci-Pastrnak have looked very very good to me. 
 
I'm excited for the season. They could surprise some people this year who are expecting them to challenge for the 8th spot. 
 
Good post.   I agree that the young guys (2015 draft class) all showed some serious promise, but are a ways off.  I'm not really concerned with that though since all of them look like NHL players down the road.  I was very impressed by Debrusk.  I wouldn't be surprised if he is here first.  He has great offensive instincts and I expect him to have a very good season. 
 
I'm 100% on board with Morrow and C. Miller.  I've been very impressed with them.  They are mobile and have very strong offensive instincts.  I'd really like to see both of them on this team as they both appear ready for NHL action and have skill sets that this team desperately needs.  I've also liked Irwin quite a bit.  His slow skating has hurt him a bit defensively and puts him behind the other 2 for me, but he is a serviceable player.  
 
Spooner, to me, looks electric.  He does get running around a little bit defensively but his line is generating a fair amount of offensive pressure despite linemates who don't appear like they've found their groove yet.  I'm bullish on both Hayes and Connolly so I think they will get it together, but not there yet. 
 
63-37-21 just feels right.  They look great. 
 
39-46-88 is going to generate a lot of offense.  
 
I'm pretty excited about this team. I do think they will surprise some people this year. 
 

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As for forwards, Vatrano and Ceznarik (sp?) have been really good surprises. I don't expect Koko to play much in the NHL this year, so he may be KHL bound next year when he becomes an RFA. I just didn't see him separate himself from the other young forwards on the team. Spooner has looked very good in the offensive zone, but somewhat lost in his own end. His line with Connolly and Hayes had a trouble getting hemmed in at times this preseason, but has looked good offensively. It will be interesting to see how Claude deals with Spooner's lack of defensive prowess with his linemates, as I feel he could be exposed playing with Hayes and Connolly. Not sure what else he could do though, as the Marchand-Bergeron-Eriksson and Belesky-Krejci-Pastrnak have looked very very good to me. 
 
I think we'll see some of Chris Kelly playing on that line in certain situations. Late in games protecting a lead, and/or certain tough road matchups. And I think I'd be ok with that.
 

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Spooner is the canary in the coal mine for Julien.  
 
The B's brain trust will have to accept the fact that a guy like Spooner will make mistakes in his own zone this season.  I'm OK if they protect Spooner when nursing a 2-1 lead on the road.  I'm also OK if they allow Spooner to succeed or fail in those situations from time to time.  
 
I'll be a lot less OK if one mistake sends him to the press box in place of someone like Rinaldo for 3 games out of 4.  The league has changed, so let's hope the coaching staff and GM got that memo.  I'll believe it when I see it, to be perfectly honest. 
 

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He made plenty of mistakes last year once he finally broke into the lineup and they didn't press box him.  I think they will let him make some mistakes if he is producing.  If he is shit on both ends, then he might sit, but he would deserve to, so no big deal.
 

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Yesterday's cuts: Linus Arnesson, Chris Casto, Austin Czarnik, Frank Vatrano.

Believe this leaves Blidh, Ferlin, Khokhlachev and Kemppainen and the remaining bubble boys up front.

Edit: Randell still up too.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, that leaves Randell and Kemppainen around as extras. The rest of the roster is set, with the exception of back up G.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, that leaves Randell and Kemppainen around as extras. The rest of the roster is set, with the exception of back up G.
 
They have 14 forwards, 8 defensemen and 3 goalies right now. That's with Chara. After they decide on the backup goalie, Chara starts the year on IR, or they have to cut either the 14th forward or 8th defenseman. My guess is Randall goes down if Chara is ready to play. 
 

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Anyone know of a source that lists the type of contracts the B's have not that capgeek is gone?  I'm trying to figure out which of the Dmen have 1 way and 2 way contracts, and which are waiver-exempt. 
 

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General Fanager is the best Cap Geek replacement so far.

All 8 remaining Dmen require waivers.
 
That's incorrect.  Colin Miller does not require waivers
 

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That's surprising, I thought the job was Smith's.
 

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IIRC Smith is waiver-eligible - if he isn't moved/claimed, it may be a logjam in Providence. I can't imagine McIntyre would want to play in the ECHL.
 

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I kind of expected this, on the theory that they would want a backup with some experience. Ochocinco was nothing special but Julien was at least willing to run him out there enough to give Rask a break.  Gustavsson ought to at least be able to do that. With Smith you run the risk that he is another Svedberg and there is no guarantee that either of the guys below him are ready.
 

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Having an experienced backup makes sense, given the Svedberg fiasco last year. Bringing back Smith makes little to no sense, if this was the plan all along. Assuming Smith is waived, and clears, we have 3 goalies in Providence, 2 of which are developing prospects and need playing time. As PSK says, they could send McIntrye to the ECHL for a while, but it still seems like odd asset management.
 

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That's surprising, I thought the job was Smith's.
I did not think he looked very good. Felt he was a flopper who didn't have the aggressiveness style I would like to see. Also felt he was slow to read plays, and was very reactionary. Just felt like he left to much space when he moved, but he was athletic enough to make some spectacular saves this preseason. Thomas was good at it because he anticipated so well, and had the right amount of aggressiveness to the game. I didn't see that with Smith, and it felt like he played small at times.

Gustavson is no great shakes by any means, but his style is such that it should serve well as a backup and he has more ideal NHL experience.

And, PSK, I know McIntyre may not "like" being sent to the ECHL, but (1) he can start there and grow his game a bit, and more importantly (2) he was the lesser goalie of Smith and Subban. He was very good in college, but adjusting to the pro game as a goalie normally takes a lot of time.
 

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Kirk Luedeke opines:
 
In the meantime, Gustavsson isn’t an ideal option as backup, but he’s the best chance Boston has to rest Tuukka Rask by having a player that the coaches (at least initially) will trust to spell. There are 11 back-to-backs on the schedule this year, which is fewer than in 2013-14. The Monster is a better goalie than some give him credit for, but he never really delivered on the promise he showed after a dominant 2008-09 campaign in Sweden before signing with Toronto as a coveted free agent that spring. Still, he’s shown he can rise to the occasion in stretches and is at least someone with an NHL track record if he ends up being needed more than just the occasional start to spell the starter. Perish the thought, but the B’s are putting themselves in position to at least have some NHL games in net in a worst case scenario, but should that come to pass, the B’s are in much bigger trouble than any of us can imagine, and it doesn’t really matter who your backup is at that point.
 
 

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Max Talbot and Jeremy Smith are on waivers. I assume Smith clears and goes to Providence, but I'm not sure that the plan is for Talbot. Anywho, I do believe we have our team.

Marchand - Bergeron - Eriksson
Beleskey - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hayes - Spooner - Connolly
Kelly - Kemppainen - Shithead
Randell (maybe Talbot)

Chara - Trotman
Krug - C. Miller
Irwin - McQuaid
Morrow - K. Miller

Rask
Gustavsson

IR- Seidenberg

Drop the puck.
 

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Max Talbot and Jeremy Smith are on waivers. I assume Smith clears and goes to Providence, but I'm not sure that the plan is for Talbot. Anywho, I do believe we have our team.

Marchand - Bergeron - Eriksson
Beleskey - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hayes - Spooner - Connolly
Kelly - Kemppainen - Shithead
Randell (maybe Talbot)

Chara - Trotman
Krug - C. Miller
Irwin - McQuaid
Morrow - K. Miller


Rask
Gustavsson

IR- Seidenberg

Drop the puck.
 
Are those the pairs you envision? I feel like Morrow is ahead of both Irwin and C. Miller, and the idea of Krug and C. Miller together scares me on the defensive end. 
 

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The Talbot thing surprises me. I thought they liked what they saw of him last year. They must be hoping someone snaps him up to take his coin off the books.

I think they will roll Krug/McQuaid as the second pair.
 

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Are those the pairs you envision? I feel like Morrow is ahead of both Irwin and C. Miller, and the idea of Krug and C. Miller together scares me on the defensive end. 
 
I agree and think it'll be Morrow - K. Miller.  I think Claude will also play McQuaid with Krug.  I think Irwin and C. Miller are the scratches.  I am excited that Randell made the team.  It may be short lived but the kid plays with some fire and I still like that. 
 

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The D at practice today:

Chara - C. Miller
Krug - McQuaid
Irwin - Trotman
Morrow - K. Miller

Chara's on IR, but that's a paper move to get them to a 23 man roster. If he's good to go for Thursday (seems like he'll be ready) the Bruins will have to move someone. I'm assuming Talbot will clear waivers at noon and then he'll be assigned to Providence and that'll get them to 23.
 

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I'm assuming Talbot will clear wavers and then be fired into the sun.
 
But I've been known to be overly optimistic about this team.
 

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Thread just reminded me they finally don't need to do any moves to account for Savard. So that's nice.