2016 Colts: Always a Banner Year

DanoooME

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Holy shit, Luck's guarantees are about the same as Russell Wilson's entire 4 year extension.

The cap better keep growing for Indy's sake.
 

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It will. And every year a dozen teams in the League still will be looking for serviceable QBs. Colleges are not churning out what the NFL needs.
 

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Holy shit, Luck's guarantees are about the same as Russell Wilson's entire 4 year extension.
Let's see what Wilson's next contract is before we (imply) that the Seahawks got the better deal. If, in 4 years, Wilson gets the first $300M contract with $150M guaranteed, this Luck deal will be seen as a bargain.

Oh, and the thread title? Unless the Colts go 0-16, this will not be Grigson & Pagano's Last Stand. That's just wishful thinking.
 

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Let's see what Wilson's next contract is before we (imply) that the Seahawks got the better deal. If, in 4 years, Wilson gets the first $300M contract with $150M guaranteed, this Luck deal will be seen as a bargain.

Oh, and the thread title? Unless the Colts go 0-16, this will not be Grigson & Pagano's Last Stand. That's just wishful thinking.
A fella can dream.
 

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It'll be interesting to see what his percentages are in terms of cap hit. Especially as the cap increases are supposed to be fairly big (NBA tried to negotiate a phase in for another sport as an example). Lots of contracts will be predicated on "when did you sign in relation to a cap increase".

Plus how much of that guaranteed is truly guaranteed versus guaranteed as things happen. That has become the big play area for agents and teams to mess around in to make things look better than they actually are.
 

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Let's see what Wilson's next contract is before we (imply) that the Seahawks got the better deal. If, in 4 years, Wilson gets the first $300M contract with $150M guaranteed, this Luck deal will be seen as a bargain.

Oh, and the thread title? Unless the Colts go 0-16, this will not be Grigson & Pagano's Last Stand. That's just wishful thinking.
I'm open to ideas
 

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1. Signing bonus of $32 million, with $18 million paid in the next 10 days and the remaining $14 million paid on March 31, 2017;

2. Base salary of $12 million in 2016, fully guaranteed at signing;

3. $3 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2017 league year and paid on March 20, 2017, which is guaranteed for skill and injury, and conditionally guaranteed for salary cap;

4. $3 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2017 league year and paid on September 18, 2017, which is guaranteed for injury only at signing;

5. $7 million base salary for 2017, guaranteed for injury only at signing and fully guaranteed as of the fifth day of the 2017 league year;

6. $3 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2018 league year and paid on March 20, 2018, which is guaranteed for injury at signing and fully guaranteed as of the fifth day of the 2017 league year;

7. $3 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2018 league year and paid on September 18, 2018, which is guaranteed for injury only at signing;

8. $12 million base salary for 2018, which is guaranteed for injury only at signing but which becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2018 league year;

9. $6 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2019 league year and paid on March 18, 2019, which is guaranteed for injury at signing and fully guaranteed as of the fifth day of the 2018 league year;

10. $6 million roster bonus earned on the fifth day of the 2019 league year and paid on September 17, 2019, which is guaranteed for injury at signing;

11. $9.125 million base salary for 2019, non-guaranteed;

12. $11 million roster bonus due on the third day of the 2020 league year, with half paid on September 15, 2020 and the other half paid on December 15, 2020;

13. $11 million base salary for 2020, non-guaranteed;

14. $10 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the 2021 league year, with half paid on September 14, 2021 and the other half paid on December 14, 2020; and

15. $11 million base salary for 2021, non-guaranteed.

That’s a total of six years, $139.125 million, with $44 million fully guaranteed at signing. Another $16 million becomes fully guaranteed, as a practical matter, as of the fifth day of the 2017 league year.
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Soxfan is right. To paint this deal as over the top insanity is itself Kool Aid drinking, laundry waiving insanity

Carry on.
 

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55 picks and 32 fumbles in 55 starts. Turnover machine. Is he better than average? Sure. Is he elite and capable of carrying a team to a bowl? We'll see.
 

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Peyton Manning had 81 picks and 21 fumbles over his first 4 regular seasons (64 games) while making fewer passing attempts per game. Tom Brady had 52 picks and 43 fumbles over his first 63 regular season games.

That doesn't mean that he doesn't need to improve, but I think Luck's turnovers are just characteristic of a young quarterback being asked to do a lot within an NFL offense.
 

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Peyton Manning had 81 picks and 21 fumbles over his first 4 regular seasons (64 games) while making fewer passing attempts per game. Tom Brady had 52 picks and 43 fumbles over his first 63 regular season games.

That doesn't mean that he doesn't need to improve, but I think Luck's turnovers are just characteristic of a young quarterback being asked to do a lot within an NFL offense.
Agreed up to a point - Luck is asked to do a lot - but the comparison to Manning and Brady should factor in that the league as a whole was much more INT-heavy back then. In 2001, 3.4% of passes were intercepted; that figure was 2.4% last year. Brady was above-average in avoiding interceptions all four of those years, Manning two of the four, Luck only once. Luck has also thrown 12 picks in six career playoff games (vs 3 in 9 for Brady and 0 in 2 for Manning). I think it's fair to note Luck's turnovers as a concern.
 

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“@RapSheet: #Colts G Jack Mewhort, a key cog on their OL, is believed to have torn his ACL, source said. An Andrew Luck bodyguard done for the season”
 

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ACL not torn, but out 2-4 weeks.

I watched a good chunk of the game and the Colts looked horrible. Some injuries and suspensions (Jones) on defense, the OL still sucks, and there is no RB behind Gore, who is close to cooked anyway. Luck was pressured pretty routinely.

Still a bunch of wannabes with whiny, naive fans. Hoping Houston, Jax, and Tennessee finally upset the balance of power in the worst division in the NFL.
 

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I would pay for admission to the press conference announcing Grigson's firing. And I hate Polian too. But Grigson is an incredible asshole.
 

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Staring down 0-2... tick tick tick to Grigson and Pagano's joint firing
I would pay for admission to the press conference announcing Grigson's firing. And I hate Polian too. But Grigson is an incredible asshole.
I don't like me too posts.
And I don't like raining on other teams' threads.

But I too hope Grigson's sanctimonious, inexperienced, bitter person is soon booted unceremoniously. And I hope any of the enemies he has made in the NFL by falsely accusing better teams of cheating keep him out of another GM job.
 

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Wouldn't NE fans want both around as long as possible?
We wish Rex stayed with the Jets. He's a blowhard, but generally well-meaning, and he isn't likely to turn his teams into juggernauts. We hope he stays around.
Grigson is not likely to turn his teams into juggernauts either, but his personal qualities are more objectionable. His petty jealousy towards better teams, coaches, offensive linemen, and FO types that can lift more than players is somewhat off-putting even without the ammo he gave Goodell. We'd like to see him somewhere around the 7th circle of hell, and roll the dice on a replacement.
 

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We wish Rex stayed with the Jets. He's a blowhard, but generally well-meaning, and he isn't likely to turn his teams into juggernauts. We hope he stays around.
Grigson is not likely to turn his teams into juggernauts either, but his personal qualities are more objectionable. His petty jealousy towards better teams, coaches, offensive linemen, and FO types that can lift more than players is somewhat off-putting even without the ammo he gave Goodell. We'd like to see him somewhere around the 7th circle of hell, and roll the dice on a replacement.
F that, I'd prefer to see him keep fucking that teams cap up and being a blowhard. I hope he gets a life time contract from the pill popper.

Pagano I'd like to see canned because I think he's actually a good coach and a good human being. He deserves better and I was hoping he would have left after last year.
 

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My take on this is that Grigson has already served his purpose by neutering the Colts during the window where they possessed a massive advantage with Luck's rookie contract and should have run the AFC. Thanks, Ryan!

They aren't likely to get that lucky again, so it doesn't really matter who they bring in next, assuming the Irsay / domefield dynamics ensure some minimal level of mismanagement. But it took unique talent to screw up Luck's first few years in the league.
 

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In Brady's first 5 years the Pats won 3 titles. In Ben's first 6 seasons the Steelers won twice. The Colts aren't gonna win shit with luck thanks to this dynamic duo
 

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F that, I'd prefer to see him keep fucking that teams cap up and being a blowhard. I hope he gets a life time contract from the pill popper.

Pagano I'd like to see canned because I think he's actually a good coach and a good human being. He deserves better and I was hoping he would have left after last year.
Pagano lost any claim to being a good coach with the fake punt stunt against NE. I'm not even kidding.
 

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Pagano's a good guy, but a complete lightweight as a Head Coach. Dictionary definition of fungible. Hence I have no problem if he stayed.

Grigson is loathsome. Not enough bad things could happen to him, as far as I'm concerned, though I'm not opposed to having Irsay keep him around to ensure a cap-maxed roster with low levels of talent (outside of QB and WR) and zero depth.
 

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Grigson is loathsome. Not enough bad things could happen to him, as far as I'm concerned, though I'm not opposed to having Irsay keep him around to ensure a cap-maxed roster with low levels of talent (outside of QB and WR) and zero depth.


The killer is that this POS lives right here in New England and has for about the last 15 years. Sleeping with the enemy indeed.
 

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Pagano's a good guy, but a complete lightweight as a Head Coach. Dictionary definition of fungible. Hence I have no problem if he stayed.
I've said this before and I'll say it again - letting Arians walk in favor of keeping Pagano after the cancer was foolishly sentimental. Arians was so clearly the superior coach.

With Arians, the Colts would have been a serious threat over the last couple years.
 

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I've said this before and I'll say it again - letting Arians walk in favor of keeping Pagano after the cancer was foolishly sentimental. Arians was so clearly the superior coach.

With Arians, the Colts would have been a serious threat over the last couple years.
With the benefit of hindsight, maybe. Pagano was a the beginning of his first season with the Colts when he got the diagnosis. No team anywhere is going to replace a guy under those circumstances.
 

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With the benefit of hindsight, maybe. Pagano was a the beginning of his first season with the Colts when he got the diagnosis. No team anywhere is going to replace a guy under those circumstances.
It shouldn't have been about Pagano though - that's the point. Arians was clearly a good head coach, while Pagano was an unknown.
 

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It shouldn't have been about Pagano though - that's the point. Arians was clearly a good head coach, while Pagano was an unknown.
How could they make it "not about Pagano" when Pagano is the guy who got cancer; and who -- by outward appearance anyway -- continued to motivate the team even when he wasn't coaching. Maybe it was bad timing for the Colts, but there was no way possible for them to replace Pagano
 

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Barring a massive turnaround, Pagano and Grigson are gone. Just getting to the playoffs won't get it done.

Next two weeks are must wins: Take care of business at home against the Bears and beat Houston on the road. Otherwise they're 1-5 or 2-4, and (assuming a loss to HOU) 0-2 in their division.