2016 MLB WS Cubs Vs Indians
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So, either the Indians win to end a 68 year wait, or they lose and take over as the team with the longest championship drought in MLB.
I'm sort of cross-posting so some might be upset with me but I'm angry. Red Sox ownership should be ashamed of themselves tonight. As Finn said, they doubled down on LL over Theo and Tito and now don't even employ LL (who brought us the plague of BV). Just an awful purge that the Sox are still trying to get out from under given the Lester/Price decision.
Uh, no. Red Sox ownership sure as shit has no need to be ashamed of themselves. They've brought THREE World Series championships in 10 seasons to a franchise who hadn't won one in 86 fucking years. Embarrassing!!!!!!!
Oh, and the current Sox team is really good and they have a few of the best prospects in the minors, including #1. Ashamed!!!
You are a terrible Sox fan if this is how you feel about the team. Do you not have PTSD from watching Wade Boggs riding a horse around the Toilet?
I agree but having the best manager and GM in the game within your organization and then pushing them out the door was a huge and embarrassing mistake.
Oh brother. Here we go... you cannot be a Sox fan if you criticize them... yawn.
This is revisionist history and is also the glass half empty of looking at things.
Theo had a hand in the souring of relations with Lucchino, the man who was responsible for Theo getting his job(s) in the first place. Some accounts suggested that he didn't manage up well either which is part of your job, especially when your boss expects loyalty for giving you your chance. Furthermore, Theo was responsible for both the Crawford and Lackey deals, even if he didn't make the decisions alone. In short, he is not without his blemishes.
Tito is a bit different. He is a players manager plain and simple. Virtually all accounts suggested that a combination of some personal problems and him losing the team were the reasons his time ended in Boston. After the chicken and beer shit, there was no way the Sox could bring him back.
In the meantime, not only did the Sox win it all after they departed but they have a great young core of players which rivals any team in baseball including the Cubs and the Indians. If they can somehow get a bit better pitching next year, we will be back to having these threads in the Red Sox gamethread forum. Even so, ownership owes us nothing.
Theo left once in a fucking gorilla suit--talk about embarrassing--and then came back. He was always antsy and wanted a new challenge/ego stroke. He wasn't pushed out the door. He was a cocky young gun who made a power play, lost, and decided to move on. And this time, ownership called his bluff.
Tito wasn't the best manager in the game when he left. His team got swept in the ALDS in 2009, didn't make the playoffs in 2010, and then he lost the team in 2011 and they collapsed and missed the playoffs. At the same time, he was fighting his own demons and needed to get his shit together.
Shit happens, life moves on, and in this case, everyone involved is doing just fine
I love Tito and Theo for all that they did to help turn the franchise around, but would they have won in '13? No way to tell. Of the two I really wish Tito was still with the organization, but Francona admitted that perhaps the team needed a new manager, that he may have lost part of that club house.
On paper it looks like Cinderella will get mauled by bears. She better bring more pixie dust and a fucking shot-gun to the ball.
And maybe another starter.
Rooting for Cinderella
But Cubs in 6
And maybe another starter.
Rooting for Cinderella
But Cubs in 6
Win it for Stan Hack, Phil Cavaretta, Andy Pafko, Peanuts Lowrey, Claude Passeau et al from the 1945 team, and the obvious ones Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Ryne Sandberg...
I'm really having mixed feelings though. I thought I'd be all Tito, Nap and Andrew, but after hearing Theo after the game and reminding me of '04 and Lester so humble with his kids, I don't know. Gametime decision and subject to change after that.
I'm really having mixed feelings though. I thought I'd be all Tito, Nap and Andrew, but after hearing Theo after the game and reminding me of '04 and Lester so humble with his kids, I don't know. Gametime decision and subject to change after that.
The reason that the Cubs haven't won in my lifetime isn't because of some curse, it's because they've never had the very best team, and in fact they never seemed to be trying to have the very best team. Until now. Cubs sweep.
Edit: But I'll be rooting for the Indians,
Edit: But I'll be rooting for the Indians,
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Other than the Maddon factor, I have no reason to root against either of these teams. One of these long suffering fan bases is going to get to experience the feeling we had in '04 and it will be delivered in part by either Terry Francona or Theo Epstein. I hope to sit back and watch a tight, drama packed, hard fought, 7 game series and when it's over feel happy for the fans of the winning city as well as the former Red Sox that were a part of our three celebrations.
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Theo had to report to a giant douche who made his job more difficult and he had other options.
That giant douche hired him to be a GM when he was 28. Theo probably wouldn't have had these other options without him.
I usually root for the AL team (assuming it isn't the Yankees) but I really like Lester, Ross and Theo. But I also have this kind of intense dislike of Joe Maddon. Then we have Tito & Nap, etc with the Tribe. Tough call but I'm pulling for Cleveland but won't be too disappointed if the Cubbies win either.
This is spot on. I have no doubt that Lucchino was difficult to work for and with given all of the reports about him. That said, Theo never gets the San Diego job, the Boston job and the Cubs job without Lucchino. Yet people somehow forget this and focus on all the negatives around Lucchino. LL was as instrumental in winning the 2004 and 2007 World Series titles as the rest of the trio and Theo.
I'm rooting for 7 games, mainly for the epic drama. Also, it's a long time until Truck Day.
My head says Cubs in 5.
My head says Cubs in 5.
It's hard to root for/against either of these teams. They both deserve it. I think the Cubs look better on paper, so I'm going Cubs.
My first game was a July 1969 cubs mets tilt at Wrigley. Lived in Pallatine, took the El in with my dad. Banks, Williams, santo, Kessinger, Glenn Beckert who live a street away. Besides sitting behind a post, a perfect day. Except for the Cubs loss. And the inevitable Cubs collapse
But not this year. Cubs in 6.
But not this year. Cubs in 6.
So? Every boss I ever had hired me. If they were douches that prevented me from doing my job well and made my life miserable I left. This isn't hard.
No, it isn't hard. It also isn't nearly as black and white as you're trying to make it.
I'm not even sure what the fuck you're arguing. You want to root for Theo, more power to you. My point was simply that he wasn't pushed out the door.
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Yeah, but... wasn't he?
Theo quit once before, one season after the Red Sox won the World Series for the first time in 86 years because the working environment was so shitty? I mean, Theo was a *god* in Boston, and he still quit.
And he came back, yes. But years later he exited again because it was painfully obvious he couldn't trust the people who signed his paychecks. So yeah, he quit. But he quit because fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...... something GWB.
Theo quit once before, one season after the Red Sox won the World Series for the first time in 86 years because the working environment was so shitty? I mean, Theo was a *god* in Boston, and he still quit.
And he came back, yes. But years later he exited again because it was painfully obvious he couldn't trust the people who signed his paychecks. So yeah, he quit. But he quit because fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...... something GWB.
You can spin this either way. It felt a bit like an entitled fit at the time.
I think theyre both true. LL invested in him and brought him along then leveraged that and was very ham handed in dealing w player side of things.
Indians in 6 guessing w my rooting interest. Go Tito.
edit: worried about Kipnis' ankle though
I'm saying Cubs in six.
I'll be happy with the result either way. Former Sox on both teams, two cities that need a win; it'll be great to watch.
I'll be happy with the result either way. Former Sox on both teams, two cities that need a win; it'll be great to watch.
Indians in 6. Cubs fans make it easy to root for Tito and Nap. I actually had one try to tell me that he'd rather take the last 15 year of Cubs ball over the last 15 years of Red Sox ball because of the future.
Cubs in 6, I think the Indians' starting pitching other than Kluber finally completely shits the bed.
So is Theo supposed to be content with being the giant douche's assistant general manager in perpetuity? Or is he allowed to accept a promotion to head general manager without us fans wishing bad luck on him?