2017 Cowboys: NoMo' Romo (or playoffs)

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I've actually been wanting to start this thread for weeks but this is why I hadn't:

Strange opening to a Cowboys season thread. All the talk will be about other teams.
There's nothing really to talk about other than the guy who won't be playing there this season. Oh, sure, they re-signed Brice Butler today but a) no one gives a fuck about Brice Butler and b) no one gives a fuck about Brice Butler.

Other than that:
Kind of weird, actually, that the excitement of Cowboys football is confined to the season. It's usually confined to free agency.
 

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Agreed. He would be a massive upgrade over noted dumbass Terrance Williams.
 

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Church was solid but he's replaceable. Of the Cowboys' defensive FAs, they should probably resign Brandon Carr as long as the money isn't too crazy. Despite not really living up to the hype of his original 2012 deal, he quietly held the fort down against a lot of top wideouts...esp this past season. If they can get Claiborne on another "show me" deal, then they should go for it, but nothing more as he isn't reliable to stay on the field. Too bad, as he was having a brilliant season before injury last year. On the flip side, I don't think Brandon Carr has ever missed a game in his career.

'Boys need a good pass rusher though. Gregoy is out all of next season and while Lawrence is making strides, his suspension and subsequent injury last year def set his development back a little.
 

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Well, Terrance Williams is staying put. At that money (4 years, $17M - $9M guaranteed), I don't hate the deal. I was hoping to upgrade in the brains department but that'll have to come in the draft. With the amount of help they need defensively, however, WR would be a waste in the draft. So whatever. As long as he stops doing stupid things, I'll be fine.

They did sign Nolan Carroll, though. That should help a vastly depleted secondary.
 

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Bosoxen, what are your thoughts on Free retiring? My sense is that he was a frustrating player to have, but at the same time I suspect you'd rather have him than not.
 

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Bosoxen, what are your thoughts on Free retiring? My sense is that he was a frustrating player to have, but at the same time I suspect you'd rather have him than not.
Not Bosox, but Free was pretty solid. He was prob the weakest link on that line though and Chaz Green did an admirable job filling in for Tyron Smith when he missed a few games this year. There's plenty of reason to think Green can replace Free. They will need to find another reliable swing tackle though. The Cowboys have been good about having depth there in recent years...they lost Jeremy Parnell to free agency through a big contract too a couple years back.
 

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Yeah, that sounds about right. The impact of losing 2/5 of the offensive line is softened by the fact that Collins and Green can slot in and the line will mostly not miss a beat (though I imagine some cohesion would be necessary). The two biggest problem I have with it is that the timing couldn't have been worse. The opportunity cost of having to pick up a swing tackle is going to hurt the defense.
 

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I've been to the Dallas parade 2-3 times now and my liver is still not happy with my decision. Of all the crazy shit that happens it's amusing to me that this story came about. On the SMU frat level of bad behavior Zeke is a 2 or 3 on the scale? Sounds right Dallas folk? Obviously harassment is harassment or assault is assult and I am not trying to stand up for him. Just think it's amusing that I clicked on the link thinking what kind of super-messed-up stuff he did and all he did was expose her boobs. $100 to Jimmy Fund if he gets suspended for 1 regular season game.
 

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It's a really stupid thing to do with the domestic violence investigation hanging over his head. From a maliciousness standpoint, I'm with SMU that your garden variety private school frat bro probably does far worse than that on a weekly basis. But from an optics standpoint, this is a 10. He needs to keep his nose clean and not draw the eye of Sauron towards him. I would hope Garrett has a little talk with him about that.

Also, yes, the St Patty's Day parade in Dallas is a shit show of epic proportions. I've seen guys do that to women right in front of children. Needless to say, I only made that mistake once and have had no desire to ever go back.
 

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Does Dallas know St Patty's day is this coming Friday?
Do you often ask stupid questions?

But seriously, the parade is always held on the Saturday before St Patty's Day. Aside from the disruption to people's work schedules, the parade would wreak havoc on businesses if it were held on a Friday.
 

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Mo Claiborne and Brandon Carr both gone, so that's 3/4 of the starting secondary from last year that will be playing elsewhere.
 

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How quickly we forget Wilcox. That's technically the entire starting secondary, non-nickel edition.

Not that this wasn't expected but - well, I'll let my buddy Emperor Kuzco take it from here:

Maybe I'm just new to this whole rescuing running a football team thing, but this, to me, might be considered kind of a step backwards, wouldn't you say?
 

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That's fantastic. I often wonder if tattoo artists realize these mistakes - and if they do, do they attempt to be the voice of reason - or if they think, "Hell yeah, that's gonna look awesome!"

 

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Really big fan of what the Cowboys did in the draft. Secondary and d-line needed to be addressed, and they didn't just fling turds at the wall to do so.

I'm also very pleased getting Ryan Switzer as a PR/KR and another slot guy. Huge upgrade over Lucky Whitehead I think.
 

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Really big fan of what the Cowboys did in the draft. Secondary and d-line needed to be addressed, and they didn't just fling turds at the wall to do so.

I'm also very pleased getting Ryan Switzer as a PR/KR and another slot guy. Huge upgrade over Lucky Whitehead I think.
Consensus was that they got good value on their CB picks especially. After years of clown shit with Jerry Jones on draft day (with a brief hiatus during the Parcells Era), the Cowboys have quietly been drafting very well for the past several years.
 

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Consensus was that they got good value on their CB picks especially. After years of clown shit with Jerry Jones on draft day (with a brief hiatus during the Parcells Era), the Cowboys have quietly been drafting very well for the past several years.
Does that coincide with Jones last surgical procedure? Maybe they plugged a leak in his head in the most recent lift.

Or maybe his son is just better at drafting.

Note: I don't really know anything about their draft room or who is calling the shots. I guess I'm just a little anti-Jerry...
 

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Does that coincide with Jones last surgical procedure? Maybe they plugged a leak in his head in the most recent lift.

Or maybe his son is just better at drafting.

Note: I don't really know anything about their draft room or who is calling the shots. I guess I'm just a little anti-Jerry...
It's been kind of a poorly kept secret at this point that his son Stephen Jones has taken a lot more control in the draft along with Will McClay...really since about 4 or 5 years ago. Though there were moments of tension like in the 2014 draft when Jerry was pushing to take Johnny Manziel and they had to walk him back from the ledge and make sure he drafted Zack Martin instead to stick to their "rebuild the offensive line" plan.
 

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Zeke with another alleged incident, this time at a Dallas bar. I'm sure Mara is already working Goodell on a week 1 suspension.
 

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Schefter was on ESPN this morning saying BEFORE this the Cowboys were preparing for a short suspension, and they were expecting that to be announced in the next day or two. So, now he said the NFL will look at all incidents and add on the suspension. In other words, couldn't have happened at a worsetime
 

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Remember... the whole "short suspension", these DV suspensions were supposed to be 6 games. Amazing how quickly that died off in the Giants case, and now for the Cowboys.

As we all know, it all depends on how much media outrage gets generated as to whether he'll get the full "minimum".

edit - google searches suck with the timeline... so Elliot was on the other side...defending woman... still suspension will depend on how much the media objects
 
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The DV stuff, I believe, is horseshit. Didn't it come out that the woman was trying to take advantage of Elliott's new found NFL wealth?
 

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Any word what this incident was?
It sounds like he was just present at the bar...but he didn't actually get involved in anything. Unless I'm missing something because nothing I've read so far indicates he actually did anything.
 

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It sounds like he was just present at the bar...but he didn't actually get involved in anything. Unless I'm missing something because nothing I've read so far indicates he actually did anything.
TMZ has a video of the aftermath of a guy who got popped. Some witnesses claim Zeke punched the dude but without any video, there's nothing to prove he did. But, as well all know, that doesn't mean anything with the dictator at 345 Park Ave. This latest incident may be enough to push things to a 2 game suspension when it might have been just 1.
 

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The DV stuff, I believe, is horseshit. Didn't it come out that the woman was trying to take advantage of Elliott's new found NFL wealth?
Are you referencing this (which was quickly deleted)?

Refuting "DV stuff" as "horseshit" should require a link, or some supporting information.
 

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TMZ has a video of the aftermath of a guy who got popped. Some witnesses claim Zeke punched the dude but without any video, there's nothing to prove he did.
I haven't followed this case but witnesses can be enough in a criminal case. And as you allude to the NFL has lower standards than a criminal case.
 

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I'm starting to wonder just where on the "Bad Apple" --> "Magnet For Bad Shit" spectrum Zeke actually is. On the surface, he seems like a good enough kid but the appearance of little puffs of smoke make me wonder whether or not there's actually a fire under there. I mean, he's not getting into Aaron Hernandez type shit but at some point the question needs to change from "does bad shit just follow him around" to "is he the source of this stuff".

I'd like to think he's just naive and hangs out with the wrong kinds of people but I'm just not sure anymore.
 

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I'm starting to wonder just where on the "Bad Apple" --> "Magnet For Bad Shit" spectrum Zeke actually is. On the surface, he seems like a good enough kid but the appearance of little puffs of smoke make me wonder whether or not there's actually a fire under there. I mean, he's not getting into Aaron Hernandez type shit but at some point the question needs to change from "does bad shit just follow him around" to "is he the source of this stuff".

I'd like to think he's just naive and hangs out with the wrong kinds of people but I'm just not sure anymore.
Phil Savage former Browns GM and current NFL on XM radio host was on with Linda Cohn today on XM radio and when asked about Elliot said that folks in the NFL had heard rumblings about problems following him around going back to Ohio State. When pressed (gently) he went no further but I wonder if there has been smoke here all along.
 

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Would not be the first time Urban Meyer brought in a bad hombre and/or enabled that kind of behavior. I'm not even referring to A. Hernandez.
 

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Phil Savage former Browns GM and current NFL on XM radio host was on with Linda Cohn today on XM radio and when asked about Elliot said that folks in the NFL had heard rumblings about problems following him around going back to Ohio State. When pressed (gently) he went no further but I wonder if there has been smoke here all along.
It's not just the DV accusations or this weird bar fight. It's the two minor car accidents he's had recently too. As far as I can tell, he doesn't have a drug problem. But one thing that is becoming clear is that he seems to be prone to making poor choices.

Would not be the first time Urban Meyer brought in a bad hombre and/or enabled that kind of behavior. I'm not even referring to A. Hernandez.
I really would prefer you not use this term.
 

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Soooo...

Lucky Whitehead got arrested in Virginia and the Cowboys cut him yesterday...except it turns out it wasn't him and all charges have been dropped today.

I don't think he was going to make the team anyway after they drafted Ryan Switzer, but the Cowboys come off looking rather awful here. Hopefully Lucky cleans up on his suit against the PD and either the Cowboys bring him back or he catches on elsewhere.
 

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Soooo...

Lucky Whitehead got arrested in Virginia and the Cowboys cut him yesterday...except it turns out it wasn't him and all charges have been dropped today.

I don't think he was going to make the team anyway after they drafted Ryan Switzer, but the Cowboys come off looking rather awful here. Hopefully Lucky cleans up on his suit against the PD and either the Cowboys bring him back or he catches on elsewhere.
I'm more interested in the status of his dog. Any update?
 

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I'm more interested in the status of his dog. Any update?
The dog has been returned but apparently there are questions as to whether the dog was actually kidnapped or not (though I have no idea if there is any definitive evidence one way or the other):

First, last Monday, Whitehead claimed his dog, Blitz, was kidnapped from his Dallas home, and a $20,000 ransom was demanded. A video surfaced later that evening of the alleged dognapper — Boogotti Kasino, a Fort Worth rapper — with Blitz. Kasino claimed that he did not steal the dog, but rather that he purchased it and wanted his money back. Early the next morning, Kasino posted a video of him returning the dog to Whitehead.
Link: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/24/16023074/lucky-whitehead-dog-arrest-cowboys-release

There's just too much baggage mounting for a player who's basically nothing more than roster fodder. Bummer for him to be made an example of but at least we see there actually is a line with this team.
 

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Yes there is.

Are you a top tier talent or mid tier talent that we probably were going to keep on the team or not?

There is your line. The same as it has ever been.
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-reportedly-pressuring-roger-goodell-to-suspend-cowboys-zeke-elliott/amp/

I do not like the above. I have no doubt -- zero -- that it is true. Mara is probably in the front line of the effort, even while living in the Eli Manning glass house.

My only satisfaction -- and it's little -- is Jerry's sanctimonious defense of RG during DFG. Even after he had been bushwhacked by RG and Mara on the uncapped Year penalty.

If I'm Jurrah, I would not come callin' on Bob Kraft to mount a defense here.