But will those numbers be on a winning team? I still think Ball will have the better NBA career if you care about winning.
2017 NBA Draft Thread
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Went to Duke game yesterday.
Tatum is very fluid but just gets lost defensively and is a ball stopper on offense. You can see the potential though. Coach K was visibly pissed at him several times. I bet if K was honest he would say Tatum is one of the more frustrating guys he has ever coached.
Giles didn't look healthy. He can't move laterally. Slow feet. I would say he looked like a total gimp but he did sky for one alley oop, and also shower a nice mid-range J. He didn't play a minute in the second half. Game was tied at half. I don't see how he is a lottery pick at this point. He should return for another year unless he knows his knee is fucked and just wants to cash out.
Tatum is very fluid but just gets lost defensively and is a ball stopper on offense. You can see the potential though. Coach K was visibly pissed at him several times. I bet if K was honest he would say Tatum is one of the more frustrating guys he has ever coached.
Giles didn't look healthy. He can't move laterally. Slow feet. I would say he looked like a total gimp but he did sky for one alley oop, and also shower a nice mid-range J. He didn't play a minute in the second half. Game was tied at half. I don't see how he is a lottery pick at this point. He should return for another year unless he knows his knee is fucked and just wants to cash out.
While I give Ball a lot of credit for UCLA's incredible turn around in offensive efficiency, I find it hard to ding Fultz too much given how bad that team is. It's not ideal for scouting purposes- I'd love to see him surrounded by talent instead of disengaged and demoralized scrubs- but I've seen enough of his game, and from all accounts I've read, he's got a good head on his shoulders.
With how well he knows his teammates, Ball would be such a fun guy to play with. He always leads them to their spots. He has a mind-meld with Leaf, who should give him a cut of his upcoming contract. If he ends up on Philly, a Simmons/Ball/(Cov, TLC or Korkmaz)/Saric/ Embiid lineup would be appointment tv for me.
Extended highlights below.
Here's one huge difference between the two. Ball gets a ton of open shots. Fultz seemingly has a hand in his face every time he shoots. Ball is a great prospect but he's going to have some difficulty adjusting to the NBA's physical defense.
The last move Fultz does at the end just made me giggle. Please Please Please Lottery Gods. What do we need to sacrifice?
Here's one huge difference between the two. Ball gets a ton of open shots. Fultz seemingly has a hand in his face every time he shoots. Ball is a great prospect but he's going to have some difficulty adjusting to the NBA's physical defense.
The last move Fultz does at the end just made me giggle. Please Please Please Lottery Gods. What do we need to sacrifice?
Yeah it is even worse than last years LSU team around Simmons which is difficult to top. Fultz has the complete package he's going to be just fine.
Ball is flat out filthy. His shooting mechanics are unorthodox yet flawless in its consistency. He continues to show off deep NBA range and may have better vision today than all but a handful of NBA point guards. This is a fun draft.
What's everyone's gut feeling, is this pick going to be traded or are they going to draft a guy?
At 7:48 into that video there's a slow motion replay of Ball's jumper. Here's a pic of him rising up:
The ball is on the left side of his head, even though he ends up releasing with his right hand. It's so odd.
It depends, I think. I'm not convinced that any of the top ten guys are going to be traded and as of now I'm expecting Boston to make the pick. On an objective basis I think it needs to be a top 2 pick for a deal to happen, because Fultz and Ball are head shoulders above the rest.
It's not remotely a set one and two.
There's a one and then lots of opinions.
I have Smith, Jackson, Tatum ahead of him. More depending on team.
There's a one and then lots of opinions.
I have Smith, Jackson, Tatum ahead of him. More depending on team.
They keep the pick.
Danny values the NJ pick such that only a Cousins or Butler could provide equivalent value, and I don't see either of those players moving. Its great that we stand on the precipice of having a championship caliber team (spoken as a lifetime Pats fan who supported them during the 1-15 years) but those are the only two chits which could even conceivably push the C's into a title conversation.
Making the pick does indeed push our title chances down the road several years, which kind of stinks, but it has the added value of timing our peak for the tail of the Cavs Warriors as well.
So, forget the NJ picks being on the market, but the rest of the draft/stash/pick-a-palooza should be able to Net something valuable. Net? See what I did there? Sorry, was up late staring at the Lombardi
Danny values the NJ pick such that only a Cousins or Butler could provide equivalent value, and I don't see either of those players moving. Its great that we stand on the precipice of having a championship caliber team (spoken as a lifetime Pats fan who supported them during the 1-15 years) but those are the only two chits which could even conceivably push the C's into a title conversation.
Making the pick does indeed push our title chances down the road several years, which kind of stinks, but it has the added value of timing our peak for the tail of the Cavs Warriors as well.
So, forget the NJ picks being on the market, but the rest of the draft/stash/pick-a-palooza should be able to Net something valuable. Net? See what I did there? Sorry, was up late staring at the Lombardi
Scouting report on Dennis Smith Jr. here: http://www.fanragsports.com/nba/harper-dennis-smith-jr-may-not-best-pg-draft-hes-awesome/. Here's a snippet:
"Nobody has put up Smith’s numbers over the last 25 college seasons. He’s averaging 19.2 points, 7.0 assists, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.2 steals in 34.3 minutes. His shooting splits of 45.9/38.5/72.2 are pretty good, although you’d love to see that free throw percentage up over 80. There have been only eight players in the last 25 seasons to average at least 19 points and 7.0 assists with a true shooting of at least 57 percent. Smith is the only freshman on that list."
Obviously not #1, but assuming he decides to play defense, he's got all of the skills to be a Kyle Lowry type of player.
"Nobody has put up Smith’s numbers over the last 25 college seasons. He’s averaging 19.2 points, 7.0 assists, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.2 steals in 34.3 minutes. His shooting splits of 45.9/38.5/72.2 are pretty good, although you’d love to see that free throw percentage up over 80. There have been only eight players in the last 25 seasons to average at least 19 points and 7.0 assists with a true shooting of at least 57 percent. Smith is the only freshman on that list."
Obviously not #1, but assuming he decides to play defense, he's got all of the skills to be a Kyle Lowry type of player.
I think you can make an argument for Smith Jr. at #1. He's more explosive than Fultz. And if you want to project NBA shooting, he might be a better shooter than Fultz. His form is a little cleaner. I think he plays better D right now, but that just might be coaching. It's tough to find someone to compare him to. He's more athletic than a Lowry or Kyrie, but not as athletic as Westbrook. He's just one of those rare explosive PGs that happens to be able to shoot and has very good vision/feel for the game. And he is coming of an ACL about 18 months ago. I think he continues to get better.
I'm not saying he is #1 pick, I think you can make an argument based on athleticism and potential. I don't know how you don't pick Fultz with what he's doing right now with that shit team around him.
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I mean he can really fill it. And is a freakish athlete. When he pulls, he doesn't feel the D at all. He is so comfortable pulling whether the D has a hand up or not. I've been disappointed we haven't seen the athleticism in the lane that often as he's usually pulling for 3s. I thought coming into the year you would see a lot of above the rim scoring. If that part of his game develops, he can be dangerous.
His height is a bit of a concern as he's not a PG. I also wonder if he has NBA range, but of course that can be developed. I think he falls anywhere from 7-12
Ah, that's interesting. That's a good write up. Certainly a knock on him, but I think his athleticism allows him to get buy with the lack on length. I'd have to do some research, but I wonder where the bottom 10% (wing span) were drafted and how they did in college.
I've always liked guys that get to the line. It shows they are skilled, quick, and know how to use their body to create contact and space. Even with his lack of length he still gets to the line better than any PG in draft and finishes so well with either hand.
If you're an NBA GM and believe in his shot, I don't think the length will be that much of an issue. Much like Kemba. Another thing to add is his handle is so tight. He's fun to watch in college.
On a another note, I read in either this thread or another thread - A poster was concerned about Fultz's handle. They mentioned that it was a little high. I keep watching film and I can't decide if I agree that it will be a problem or if he's so good that it's not an issue.
Smith is my number two guys behind Fultz, but I think he's clearly a step below. I'd take him over Ball for nearly every team.
Where would you draft JR smith as a kid? HE's a lottery pick, but I suspect he'll be over drafted.
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Man the sixers have a lot of good fits in this draft. If they get the lakers pick this year... It's really going to be something fun. IMO what elevates the passing to another level on a team is when the bigs can pass, and Embiid has improved insanely fast this season in that regard, Simmons and Saric I think are the best potential passing PF combo in forever.
He's JR smith.
Where would you draft JR smith as a kid? HE's a lottery pick, but I suspect he'll be over drafted.
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Man the sixers have a lot of good fits in this draft. If they get the lakers pick this year... It's really going to be something fun. IMO what elevates the passing to another level on a team is when the bigs can pass, and Embiid has improved insanely fast this season in that regard, Simmons and Saric I think are the best potential passing PF combo in forever.
NC State @ FSU tonight should be a good chance to see a couple of top 5 guys in action. I think Isaac has a pretty solid floor as a 3&D with the potential to be a monster on defense with an efficient complementary offensive game.
UW should've been a national title contender this year, but then Marquese Chriss and Dejounte Murray were sudden one-and-dones that they weren't expecting to be. Plus, Nigel Williams-Goss who is tearing it up at Gonzaga, left the program. Think if UW had Fultz, Chriss, Murray and Williams-Goss ... not even Romar could screw that up.
When I think of great defenders in the NBA, all the ones who come to mind are pretty physically strong. Isaac is long and athletic, but about a shipping container of cheeseburgers shy of being strong.
I'd agree if I saw his value more as an interior defender, but I see him playing a good amount at the 3 at the next level, where he can be a perimeter menace and weak-side help defender with his lateral quickness and length. Durant, Giannis, Paul George, Nic Batum and Otto Porter come to mind as wings guys who were similarly skinny at his age. For Ivan Rabb and Justin Patton- guys who are strictly going to be 4/5s- strength/frame is much more of a concern. And while I don't know that Isaac will ever be a banger, he plays aggressively and I don't think his frame is too bad for a kid who just turned 19. Like Anthony Davis, he started out playing guard in High School, but converted after a huge growth spurt, going from 6'3 as a sophmore to 6'10 and he already looks like he has added muscle since the start of the season, with more room to fill out.
A little bit - not too much - of Josh Jackson's FT troubles here: http://www2.kusports.com/news/2017/feb/09/kus-josh-jackson-still-searching-fix-free-throw-wo/.
Interesting that he's been shooting 3P shots better than FTs lately. Articles also mentions that he (anecdotally) is over "90%" during practise.
Interesting that he's been shooting 3P shots better than FTs lately. Articles also mentions that he (anecdotally) is over "90%" during practise.
Lonzo Ball took over in a comeback vs Oregon tonight. Whoever gets the number one pick will have a tough choice, the second pick should be a no brained. Ball's play has to be catching him up to Fultz on some draft boards
He was great late. Of course one reason they needed to come back is that he was terrible in the first half. I still think he's the 3rd best PG in the draft.
Yeah, for as much as I love watching Lonzo play and hate watching Smith Jr. play, I've come around to having DSJ slightly ahead at this point. His flaws are flaws that some good NBA point guards have, whereas not so much with Ball. DSJ is terrible at defense, his effort level is really bad, and he keeps giving up career games to opposing guards. The Louisville game with Donovan Mitchell eating his lunch on both ends was particularly troubling. Louisville played mostly zone, but Smith was a disaster against NBA level athleticism. I don't think defense is as important for a PG as it is elsewhere, but from what I've seen, his D is IT4/Kyrie/Lilliard level. I also think he's a slightly below-average decision maker for a PG. But we've seen NBA guards who are bad on defense and aren't great decision makers have success in the NBA if they've shown what he's shown- the ability to score from anywhere. He can do two things that I don't think Ball will ever be decent at, knock down a pull-up and get to the rim. For Ball, I think you really have to believe in his impact on teammates' shooting efficiency and his prowess off-the-ball. I want to believe, but there's too much noise to filter out to confidently take him over a guy who has a clear NBA archetype.
That said, there's a big drop off from Fultz to DSJ/Ball, and I'd still might put them behind Josh Jackson even with his tragic jump shot.
One of the problems with Ball's shot (as pointed out by this author: http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/changing-lonzo-balls-shooting-form-might-be-trying-to-fix-what-isnt-broken/) is that his release is so far to the left, I don't see how he's going to be able to go right and shoot at all.
Don't think people have figured it out in college yet but if he has trouble with this, NBA team will figure it out quickly.
Note: updated mock draft from the Ringer here with some analysis and video on Ball and Fultz's weaknesses: https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-4-0-8425958b85fd#.hqn8zofpw.
Also some nice analysis from Kevin O'Connor on Josh Jackson and his shooting form:
"His feet are spread too wide, which forces his elbow to flare out. He brings the ball up to his “shot pocket” too early, which means kinetic energy from his legs doesn’t transfer to his fingers for the release. Because of a strange hitch, sometimes he ends up shooting on the way down. The whole motion is slow, which leads to heavily contested shots or even blocks by longer defenders."
Also some nice analysis from Kevin O'Connor on Josh Jackson and his shooting form:
"His feet are spread too wide, which forces his elbow to flare out. He brings the ball up to his “shot pocket” too early, which means kinetic energy from his legs doesn’t transfer to his fingers for the release. Because of a strange hitch, sometimes he ends up shooting on the way down. The whole motion is slow, which leads to heavily contested shots or even blocks by longer defenders."
Here are my (optimistic) comps. Fultz = Wall / Harden. Ball = Kidd. Jackson = Pippen. Smith = Steve Francis.
Smith seems like the toughest roster fit - too redundant with what we already have. If we get the #4, I think Ainge will suffer lots of sleepless nights, will be trying to shop it or move up, or figuring out if there's someone in the next tier he likes nearly as much as Smith.
Smith seems like the toughest roster fit - too redundant with what we already have. If we get the #4, I think Ainge will suffer lots of sleepless nights, will be trying to shop it or move up, or figuring out if there's someone in the next tier he likes nearly as much as Smith.
What do we think of Jonathan Isaac? I've got him ahead of Smith, and I think he's right there with Jackson and Ball for #2 in this draft class.
Granted, I've caught him in two of his better games (a loss to UNC and a win against ND in mid-Jan), but there's a lot to like about his game already. And the upside...
He's averaging 13 PPG / 8 RPG / 1.5 BPG / 1 SPG on 25 minutes a game on a deep roster with "unique" substitution patterns. Shooting 53/37/81 from the field, with a very natural / comfortable stroke. He's very smooth in catch-and-shoot. On defense, he's got length and athleticism to really cause problems guarding 3's and 4's... but needs to put on some weight to hang in the lane.
In the games I've seen, he plays hard and gives effort. Right now, he's a no-brainer at #4.. and I expect he'll challenge at #2 or #3 by June
Granted, I've caught him in two of his better games (a loss to UNC and a win against ND in mid-Jan), but there's a lot to like about his game already. And the upside...
He's averaging 13 PPG / 8 RPG / 1.5 BPG / 1 SPG on 25 minutes a game on a deep roster with "unique" substitution patterns. Shooting 53/37/81 from the field, with a very natural / comfortable stroke. He's very smooth in catch-and-shoot. On defense, he's got length and athleticism to really cause problems guarding 3's and 4's... but needs to put on some weight to hang in the lane.
In the games I've seen, he plays hard and gives effort. Right now, he's a no-brainer at #4.. and I expect he'll challenge at #2 or #3 by June
I think he's a lockdown wing who can shoot. Like him a lot but he's Klay type upside. Nice but I think smith has superstar potential. Ball has been better than I gave him credit for recently, and even flashing some drives.
I Still think for me right now it's
Tier 1 Fultz
Tier 2 Ball, Smith, Jackson
Tier 3 Tatum, Isaac,
Tier 4 Monk, Ntilikina (maybe tier 3), Markkanen (maybe not)
Fox is a consensus top 10 guy who for me isn't a lottery pick
I Still think for me right now it's
Tier 1 Fultz
Tier 2 Ball, Smith, Jackson
Tier 3 Tatum, Isaac,
Tier 4 Monk, Ntilikina (maybe tier 3), Markkanen (maybe not)
Fox is a consensus top 10 guy who for me isn't a lottery pick
It's unclear how much of a playmaker that Isaac is going to be, which is why he's below the big 4.
Jackson keeps hitting shots. I wonder what it will take for people to ignore the hitch in his shot. I mean he's been hitting a good % of 3Ps for the last month or so.
It's hard to imagine Jackson and Brown on the same team From a sheer athleticism POV. That would be something.
Jackson keeps hitting shots. I wonder what it will take for people to ignore the hitch in his shot. I mean he's been hitting a good % of 3Ps for the last month or so.
It's hard to imagine Jackson and Brown on the same team From a sheer athleticism POV. That would be something.
With Brooklyn looking like a lock to have the worst record, selecting 4th is worst and most likely (35.7%) scenario, so I'm keeping a close eye on the guys I like in the top 4- Fultz, Ball, Jackson and Smith Jr. Fultz has missed a couple of games with a sore knee. I think he's clearly the #1, with a significant gap between the next tier, and there's not much other than injury that could change that. The next three are really fluid for me, and I'm sure I'll switch them around up until draft day. In the past two weeks, Lonzo and Jackson have had some monster games including wins against top 10 opponents while NC State continues to get smoked by anyone they play, and Smith Jr. has struggled a bit. More troubling for Smith Jr., was this report after the blowout to Florida State:
NC State was down 25 at the time and Smith was getting trapped all game. That team is a dumpster fire, and unlike Washington, they actually had a decent outlook going into the season. Gottfried could get the ax any day, and Yurtseven has been a disappointment. So its easy to write off as a moment of frustration by a 19 year old, but it does play into the pre-existing narrative that his effort level and decision making are a concern. Watching him barely go through the motions on defense is painful. His stats speak for themselves, but he has some character red flags to consider, especially when compared to Jackson and Ball.
Lonzo factoid of the day: He's one of six major conference players averaging over 15 ppg while shooting over 65 TS%. He's at 15.4/67.6%. There's also Jeffrey Carroll, Markannen (15.2, 65.2%), and Kennard (20, 66.5%). The other two guys are his teammates, Leaf (16.7/67%) and Alford (15.8/66.5%). Obviously, Leaf is a freshman, but FWIW, Alford scored at about the same rate last year, but his eFG (I'll use this instead of TS% because, for as much as I love his intangibles, I don't think Ball has much of an impact on his teammates' FT%) has gone from 47.4% last year to 63.5% playing with Ball and company. How much of that you want to attribute to Ball directly is going to play a big part in how you rate him.
NC State was down 25 at the time and Smith was getting trapped all game. That team is a dumpster fire, and unlike Washington, they actually had a decent outlook going into the season. Gottfried could get the ax any day, and Yurtseven has been a disappointment. So its easy to write off as a moment of frustration by a 19 year old, but it does play into the pre-existing narrative that his effort level and decision making are a concern. Watching him barely go through the motions on defense is painful. His stats speak for themselves, but he has some character red flags to consider, especially when compared to Jackson and Ball.
Lonzo factoid of the day: He's one of six major conference players averaging over 15 ppg while shooting over 65 TS%. He's at 15.4/67.6%. There's also Jeffrey Carroll, Markannen (15.2, 65.2%), and Kennard (20, 66.5%). The other two guys are his teammates, Leaf (16.7/67%) and Alford (15.8/66.5%). Obviously, Leaf is a freshman, but FWIW, Alford scored at about the same rate last year, but his eFG (I'll use this instead of TS% because, for as much as I love his intangibles, I don't think Ball has much of an impact on his teammates' FT%) has gone from 47.4% last year to 63.5% playing with Ball and company. How much of that you want to attribute to Ball directly is going to play a big part in how you rate him.
selecting 4th is not the most likely outcome. selecting somewhere in the top 3 is almost twice as likely to happen.
That's because you're taking the pooled chances of 1-3 and comparing it to one outcome. Here are the odds for each individual pick, assuming Brooklyn finishes last:
1st: 25%
2nd: 21.5%
3rd: 17.8%
4th: 35.7%
That's just at the beginning of the lottery though, yes? The odds change in realtime as the lotto progresses, depending on if/who does the leapfrogging.
I think it's best to just express the combined odds:
25% chance at the top
46.5% chance at top 2
64.3% chance at top 3
100% chance at top 4
If Phoenix were to pass them, it would become
19.9% chance at the top
38.7% chance at top 2
55.8% chance at top 3
87.7% chance at top 4
100% chance at top 5
25% chance at the top
46.5% chance at top 2
64.3% chance at top 3
100% chance at top 4
If Phoenix were to pass them, it would become
19.9% chance at the top
38.7% chance at top 2
55.8% chance at top 3
87.7% chance at top 4
100% chance at top 5
Correct. If the #13 team jumps up to 1, that's worse for the C's than the #2 team jumping up.
I mean, I put the percentage chance right there in sentence you're nitpicking and thought your point so obvious as to not require further explanation, but fine, yes, picking 4th is the most most likely individual selection slot.
Phoenix has a game @ Brooklyn in five weeks, hopefully it's meaningless by then. Of course they still have two left against the Celtics, which could be opportunities to get the starters some rest.
Guys I like more and more that won't be an option for the Celtics projected draft slots- Miles Bridges (late lottery) and Donovan Mitchell. Bridges is athletic and highly skilled, but undersized for his natural position at the 4. Mitchell as a 3 and D shooting guard, reminds me a bit of Smart on the defensive end, though not quite as strong. His stroke has really come around this year. I think he'll be a value in the late 1st.
Demakis addressed this a bit here, ranking the top 11 prospects from this draft against similar quality prospects from 2014-2016 (in his opinion):
God bless new media with Demakis... I'm all for people making a living doing what they love, but I hope he doesn't make any money off of people reading his, what do we call it, analysis...
Here is a nice example of his quality work.
Dean Demakis @deanondraft Feb 11
As I have been saying: DSJ is a loser
He also thinks Doncic is as good a prospect as Lebron was, and that he may become the GOAT. That ranking of prospects from 14/16 is dumbfounding. Wiggins as the 11th highest rated prospect? He was five at the very, very, very lowest. (Embiid, Towns, Simmons, Parker)
Here is a nice example of his quality work.
Dean Demakis @deanondraft Feb 11
As I have been saying: DSJ is a loser
He also thinks Doncic is as good a prospect as Lebron was, and that he may become the GOAT. That ranking of prospects from 14/16 is dumbfounding. Wiggins as the 11th highest rated prospect? He was five at the very, very, very lowest. (Embiid, Towns, Simmons, Parker)
Demakis is an NBA bettor professionally; to my knowledge his draft analysis is just for fun, not anything he's making money off of (I don't even see ads on the site).
I agree the Doncic stuff is a bit much.
I have no issue with Wiggins as the 11th best prospect. Demakis was very low on Wiggins heading into the draft, and so far, he's basically been correct? I don't see the issue with ranking Wiggins that low to be honest. It seems like you're dinging him for 1) having an out-of-consensus view; and 2) being right about it. The Wiggins ranking adds his credibility, not detracts from it.
Doncic is as skilled as LeBron was at the same age. But Doncic could juice for 10 years and never have LeBron's body.
Demakis seriously undervalues three players in my mind: Ntilikina, Tatum and Robert Williams. Ntilikina is a great defender with a 7-0 wingspan, pg skills and no real weaknesses. Tatum could be the best offensive player in this draft and he's much younger than most of the others. As for Williams, he's extremely raw but he's an absolute horse.
Demakis seriously undervalues three players in my mind: Ntilikina, Tatum and Robert Williams. Ntilikina is a great defender with a 7-0 wingspan, pg skills and no real weaknesses. Tatum could be the best offensive player in this draft and he's much younger than most of the others. As for Williams, he's extremely raw but he's an absolute horse.
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I enjoy reading him, but I honestly think at this point half of Demakis's hyperbole is him playing up his reputation for it. Regarding Lonzo, "It is difficult to envision him becoming less good than Nash." And "Fultz is a hybrid of Dwyane Wade and James Harden with potential to be better. It is almost easier to see him becoming better than those two than worse." The first comment to that article is pretty hilarious.
I think he's too high on Monk, Fox and Markkanen. I love a lot of Fox's game, but his jumper is Rondo-esque broken, which very difficult for a PG to overcome. Markkanen, on the other hand, has one of the sweetest and quickest strokes I've ever seen from a big, but he doesn't do anything else. He has quick feet and a good frame, so maybe he could develop into an Olynyk-like team defense skill set, but from what little he has shown so far, he'd have to be incredible on offense to make up for his defensive deficiencies.
I think he's too high on Monk, Fox and Markkanen. I love a lot of Fox's game, but his jumper is Rondo-esque broken, which very difficult for a PG to overcome. Markkanen, on the other hand, has one of the sweetest and quickest strokes I've ever seen from a big, but he doesn't do anything else. He has quick feet and a good frame, so maybe he could develop into an Olynyk-like team defense skill set, but from what little he has shown so far, he'd have to be incredible on offense to make up for his defensive deficiencies.
Those quotes are laughable, so is Fox 6th. Monk 4th is less ridiculous but still highly dubious. Ball over Fultz is no.
It's written like he doesn't understand defense.
If my team took Fox ahead of Isaac, Tatum and Ntilikina I might kill someone.
This is the more I think of written as can you score.
I think this draft is deep. Potentially getting a Jackson at 4? Phew. Ntilikina at 10? PHEW!!!
It's written like he doesn't understand defense.
If my team took Fox ahead of Isaac, Tatum and Ntilikina I might kill someone.
This is the more I think of written as can you score.
I think this draft is deep. Potentially getting a Jackson at 4? Phew. Ntilikina at 10? PHEW!!!
I agree with your comments on Fox. I'd imagine that even Fox's defenders would admit that with the players available this year, you can't draft a PG with his 3pt% in the top half of the lottery...