2018 All-Star Game Rosters

CaptainLaddie

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This is an exercise I like to do every year. The first ballot updates should be out Wednesday/Thursday, so the starters on my list are the ones I think most deserve to be there, not who will end up getting voted in.

After the first update, I'll have the vote leaders in there.

Note: I have Ohtani making it (clearly he's going to be there), and on the roster both as a pitcher and hitter, but he's taking up just one spot.

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Texas was difficult, but I think Colon making the team is actually a good story for baseball.

KC rep in there now.
 

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jon abbey

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I think there is some Gary Sanchez/Salvador Perez confusion.
 
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Sad Sam Jones

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How is Matt Chapman in the starting lineup… or on the team at all? Jose Ramirez starting 3B, Mike Moustakas as the backup, Chapman out… solves the KC problem.

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Impressed you have Ottavino; he's having a fantastic year and clearly deserves it, but as a non-closer pitching in Colorado, he's largely unnoticed.

Dude has the nastiest slider I've seen.
 

CaptainLaddie

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You'll need a KC representative ...
Yep, had Salvy in there a while ago. Oops.

Aaron Judge ahead of JD Martinez?
Judge has 0.9 more WAR than JD, just saying. And his OBP is also almost 40 points higher.

I think there is some Gary Sanchez/Salvador Perez confusion.
Yeah...

How is Matt Chapman in the starting lineup… or on the team at all? Jose Ramirez starting 3B, Mike Moustakas as the backup, Chapman out… solves the KC problem.
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Right, this. Don't know how I got Chapman in there. Fixing...
 

Ale Xander

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I don't see 6 Red Sox making it. I have either Porcello or Moreland out, maybe both.

Is DH a voted in spot or chosen by the manager? If the latter, switch JDM and Shotani.
 

jon abbey

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Ohtani (injured) and Herrera (traded to the NL) off the AL roster.

I’m curious if Dellin Betances will be able to squeeze onto the roster as a setup man for the fifth straight season, as he’s been amazing recently (opponents 1 for their last 41 against him with 20 Ks).
 

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Need to ballot stuff the AL SS position for Iglesias for have an all-Jose infield.
 

Ale Xander

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Need to ballot stuff the AL SS position for Iglesias for have an all-Jose infield.
unfortunately the competition for AL SS is stacked and will be for years to come.

Someone will have to kiss away your pain of not having that dream IF.
 

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I'm waiting for EdRo to pop up on this . . . voters like those 9-1 records
Voters don't select the pitcher at least not the fan vote. Don't think they do updates on the players' or manager's choices.

But yeah, the 9-1 record should help him.
 

CaptainLaddie

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Updates!

AL: Ramos gets the catcher spot but Sanchez doesn't fall off the roster. Escobar, Benny, and Jiminez get on the roster -- I still think Ohtani gets selected but if he misses the game due to injury, he'll just get a replacement. Herrera moves to the NL which allows Jimenez to get a spot, pushing the need for Jeimer's roster presence.

NL: Goldy pushes Votto off, Story for Turner, Suarez for Travis Shaw. The Braves deserve a few more players, so their top two starters get on.... and Bud Norris is the lone STL rep.
 

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What’s the argument for Lowrie over Gleyber as backup 2B?
 

judyb

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Playing time, Gleyber doesn't show up on the qualified stats lists. He should make it, but you never know if the player voters will dig deep enough, or if the manager will need to pick someone from a team that doesn't have anyone voted in if they don't.
 

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Gleyber will become qualified before the all star game, pending an injury
 

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So, he probably will take Lowrie's spot both on the actual roster, and on an update here closer to when the players actually do their voting.
 

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Assuming Treinen keeps pitching well and holds his bullpen spot anyway, because the A's need a rep.
 

CaptainLaddie

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No changes to either starting lineup, but I think the ones I made for the backups make sense. It stinks to pull Ohtani because he would be a spectacle at the ASG, but he just hasn't played enough. His combined WAR is still 2.0, which is more than Whit Merrifield, and the same as J.A. Happ (and more than any reliever), but it just doesn't make sense to have a guy who's pitched 49.1 innings and has 129 plate appearances, as good as he's been when healthy.

We still need a Royal after pulling Perez, and Merrifield is our guy. I'm not sure how to work Herrera onto the NL roster. Clearly, he's qualified enough -- his numbers are great, but can you reward a guy who's mostly played in the AL with an NL roster spot? Only case I can remember of this was Carlos Beltran in 04 when he was elected to the team, and was traded a few weeks before the ASG (which gave us Ken Harvey, All-Star).

Trea Turner makes it over Bryant simply because of the Washington connection. And Foltynewicz loses his spot to Mikolas (we need a Cards rep) over Newcomb simply because Newcomb's got a better W-L record, even if Folty's having a slightly better year elsewhere. I could be convinced to keep Folty over Mikolas and put Norris back on. Not really too controversial.
 

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I'm not sure precedent is on Herrera's side. Bartolo was one of the top starters in the AL in '02 before Cleveland traded him to Montreal a couple weeks before the All-Star game. He was left off the NL roster.

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I’d argue that Nelson Cruz is having a better season than Stanton right now. He won’t make it over him; but Cruz has outslugged Stanton so far this season.
 

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Cruz has better offensive numbers but he's played in 11 less games and has a WAR that's 0.7 lower.
IIRC I believe Stanton and Cruz had identical oWAR and the difference was in their defensive WAR, which Cruz was providing a negative value in. When it comes to the DH position in the AS Game; I'm not sure how much value we should attach to their defensive statistics, but you probably know more about that than I do.
 

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IIRC I believe Stanton and Cruz had identical oWAR and the difference was in their defensive WAR, which Cruz was providing a negative value in. When it comes to the DH position in the AS Game; I'm not sure how much value we should attach to their defensive statistics, but you probably know more about that than I do.
Is the point to win the game or reward excellence?
 

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Also I would generally prefer that Yankees don't get selected and get the days off to rest, but I have always thought it was ridiculous (in the NBA too) that people seem to mostly pay attention to the half season from this year and the second half of every season is largely ignored for All-Star purposes. Stanton hit close to 40 HRs after July 1 last year and was the NL MVP, he should be in the ASG if it is close.
 

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Sanchez does have 14 HR and is a NYY which has him 2nd in the voting (900K votes, Ramos has 1,060K), but he's hitting .190

I don't see the manager picking him, and hopefully folks, even NY folks, stop voting for him
 

CaptainLaddie

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Also I would generally prefer that Yankees don't get selected and get the days off to rest, but I have always thought it was ridiculous (in the NBA too) that people seem to mostly pay attention to the half season from this year and the second half of every season is largely ignored for All-Star purposes. Stanton hit close to 40 HRs after July 1 last year and was the NL MVP, he should be in the ASG if it is close.
It would be absurd for Stanton to miss the ASG. He's been awesome.
 

CaptainLaddie

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So the latest update has no changes to the starters, but that hasn't stopped me from making a final change to the NL roster:

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Muncy over Pollack because of playing time; Folty over Jansen because.... well, Folty's been really good and there hasn't really been a 5th awesome reliever; Baez over Story because of what Baez is doing right now for the Cubs.

This is one variation of the roster -- there's another where Matt Carpenter is the Cards rep, one where Rendon makes the team for sentimental reasons, one where Jon Gray makes it despite a 5.77 ERA (5th among NL pitchers in WAR!), one where Simmons is the backup SS, Jed Lowrie makes it, etc.

I've included all players that have been considered for a roster below.

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I'm probably wrong on this but I feel good about the final roster. Sunday will give us the answer!
 

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jon abbey

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Jon Gray got sent to AAA this week, safe bet he won't make it. :)
 

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What a crazy disparity between the two outfields, the AL has Trout, Betts and Judge, the NL has two guys who any team could have traded for this spring cheaply (Matt Kemp and Markakis) plus Harper who has been terrible since April.