2018 broncos: vance is Gone 2 weeks left

[j-man]

my throuhts on denver 2017 season

being neg

we were 2 plays from 3-13 block FG in week 1 and carr getting hurt in week 4 and with a 9-7 coach at best plus with QB OT no star RB only 2 good WR lack of a DE pass rush giving up 28 TD Passes and Wolfe reteiement sanders wands a trade and Tailb 50-50 on being back even with denver weaker sch only 4 playoff games from 2017 teams and 3 are at home denver couild be stuck in a 6-10 jam


pos musgrave sowed a pluse esp in week 17 on off Denver still has a top 10 def with a QB that does not turn the ball over and a better RB game denver souild win at least 9 games

home sch KC OAK LAC PITT SEA LAR CLE HOU
Road Sch @KC @ OAK @ LAC @ BALT @ CINY @ NYJ @ SF @ ZONA


Needs QB OT C 3 WR RB DT MLB CB if tailb goes

qb Denver will likely make a play for T Taylor Buff Keemem Teddy b minn or mayfield at 5 lynch and kelly shouild be back

RB Booker will start here with D Henderson getting more time CJ will likely be a cap cut no dead $ 4.5 in savings

WR Sanders will likely be gone unless we get couisns DT will be back at least for 2018

TE Travor came on butt and herman should play more

OL likely pardrillis is back for 1 more year unless someone gives up a 2nd round pick hopefully Denver will draft a LT at 5 so bollies can move to RT Leary and mcgroven are good at g

de wolfe is 50-50 bad neck but with gotsis s Harris peko z kerr all that needed here is depth

LB its all about MLB Marshall has tailed off Davis will be gone and cant cover anyone Elway does not like to spend on MLB OLB is souild the top 3 OLB here shouild get 31 sacks millier 15 barnett 10 ray 6

CB all about if tailb come back for his last year of his cont if he does we are set if not we will need a num 2 cb

S we are so good here D Stewart will likely be a post june 1st cut

if we can avold the 7 road games in 10 weeks from week 7-16 ben retires we play Sea early we get better QB OL play get better in pass convage go 8-0 7-1 at home with as weak as the AFC is there is no reason why denver cant be a 5-6 seed in next year playoff

 

[j-man]

update with Alex Smith trade to Wash and Couisns being a FA most Likely
denver will sign him because
Zona my guess is they want a rook to groom
jax will keep blake
Minn likely will keep Keem or bradford
NYJ unlees they offer 35+ they have next to no shot
Cle will have to offer 38+

here how i see the 2018 broncos
QB Couisns Kelly Lynch will cost den a million bucks to cut
RB Booker Henderson Draft pick
FB Jano
WR D Thomas Sanders fowler jr taylor C Hend mckeine
te Taylor Butt heman
LT Draft pick or FA
LG Mcgoven or DP
C Pardells or Mcgoven
RG Leary
RT Bobies

LE Wolfe
DT Peko DP
re gothris S Harris D Walker
LOLB Miller
MLB B Marshell Z Anderson Nelson
ROLB BARNETT RAY
CB Harris jr Roby Langey DP i am project Tailb gone because denver has 24 mil in cap space cutting tailb added 11 mil to that cutting CJ and watson will also save 7 to 8 mil as well
fs Simmons D Stew ? might be a june 1 cut
ss Parks Carter
k mcmanus
p dixon or DP
KR D Henderson
pr J Taylor
kos kratier

 

[j-man]

i think Couisns will get a 5Y 152 Mil deal with 75 mil gut 28 mil year 1 36 mil year 2 40 mil year 3 and 24 mil year 4 and 5 that will be re-net after year 3 if he makes it

 

[Seels]

I don't understand how Denver can get to the cap room needed to sign him -- even if they ditch Talib and Thomas. This team has severe cap problems and Cousins is going to be getting the highest contract in NFL history.

 

[j-man]

I don't understand how Denver can get to the cap room needed to sign him -- even if they ditch Talib and Thomas. This team has severe cap problems and Cousins is going to be getting the highest contract in NFL history.

if we trade a WR it will be sanders thomas has us over a barrel utail 2019

over the cap says we have $26,773,245 in space
Aqib Talib $11,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $12,000,000
$1,000,000
$11,000,000
saves 10 mil
Menelik Watson $5,500,000 $1,333,333 $500,000 $125,000 $0 $7,177,083
$2,666,667
$4,510,416

saves 1.9 mil
C.J. Anderson $4,400,000 $0 $0 $100,000 $0 $4,500,000
$0
$4,500,000

saves 4.5 mil

Max Garcia $705,000 $86,422 $0 $0 $0 $1,991,422
$86,422
$1,905,000
Trevor Siemian $705,000 $13,196 $0 $0 $0 $1,918,196
$13,196
$1,905,000
Zach Kerr $1,250,000 $250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $1,671,875
$250,000
$1,421,875

those 3 cuts saves 4.8 mil
Deiontrez Mount $705,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $705,000
$0
$705,000
saves 705k

all these moves gives denver around 43.5 mil in space

assuimng around 4 mil for Draft picks and 6 mil for RFA ERFA

as long as couins 1st year does not go past 33 mil Denver can afford him

 

[streeter88]

I wonder if Cousins would take less to have a good team around him? What do you think jman?

 

[Rough Carrigan]

You might be right, but that's a long gauntlet of teams to get past. All Cousins has to do is get more money from a desperate team or like another coach (Zimmer?) better than Vance Joseph or like another city more than Denver. Is his wife from one of the other cities? Is he?

You might be right but it's no lock.

 

[streeter88]

Answers to your questions: Kirk is from Michigan (MSU grad) and Julie is from Atlanta and is a huge Bulldogs fan. Neither of those cities is currently looking for a franchise QB, though Jax is nearby...

Jman’s contention is that other franchises which are desperate (NYJ or CLE) will have to overpay to get him. My corollary was maybe a good franchise could underpay, or rely on lack of state income tax (FL for example).

Anyway, after the SB, there will be some interesting QB movement...

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

if we trade a WR it will be sanders thomas has us over a barrel utail 2019

over the cap says we have $26,773,245 in space
Aqib Talib $11,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $12,000,000
$1,000,000
$11,000,000
saves 10 mil
Menelik Watson $5,500,000 $1,333,333 $500,000 $125,000 $0 $7,177,083
$2,666,667
$4,510,416

saves 1.9 mil
C.J. Anderson $4,400,000 $0 $0 $100,000 $0 $4,500,000
$0
$4,500,000

saves 4.5 mil

Max Garcia $705,000 $86,422 $0 $0 $0 $1,991,422
$86,422
$1,905,000
Trevor Siemian $705,000 $13,196 $0 $0 $0 $1,918,196
$13,196
$1,905,000
Zach Kerr $1,250,000 $250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $1,671,875
$250,000
$1,421,875

those 3 cuts saves 4.8 mil
Deiontrez Mount $705,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $705,000
$0
$705,000
saves 705k

all these moves gives denver around 43.5 mil in space

assuimng around 4 mil for Draft picks and 6 mil for RFA ERFA

as long as couins 1st year does not go past 33 mil Denver can afford him

But what's the cap state the year after with an aging team?

 

[j-man]

I wonder if Cousins would take less to have a good team around him? What do you think jman?

its intering

i think Elway is bound and determ to get a vet QB if i was krik i would go to minn or jax but jax will keep bottles and minn wants to keep that def together

Arizona worries me a little but McCoy is a bad fit for him and mus grave will adjust better now if CLE or NYJ want to spend 40+ on a qb then they will get him

 

[j-man]

You might be right, but that's a long gauntlet of teams to get past. All Cousins has to do is get more money from a desperate team or like another coach (Zimmer?) better than Vance Joseph or like another city more than Denver. Is his wife from one of the other cities? Is he?

You might be right but it's no lock.

they were a long gauntlet of teams for manning too it just denps does cousions only want $

i wish Denver was not in play because we are 2-3 years away and need more than qb we need OL inside pass rush WR RB CB MLB as well

plus joseph is most likey not the guy for the job at best he wouild be tomilon

 

[j-man]

Answers to your questions: Kirk is from Michigan (MSU grad) and Julie is from Atlanta and is a huge Bulldogs fan. Neither of those cities is currently looking for a franchise QB, though Jax is nearby...

Jman’s contention is that other franchises which are desperate (NYJ or CLE) will have to overpay to get him. My corollary was maybe a good franchise could underpay, or rely on lack of state income tax (FL for example).

Anyway, after the SB, there will be some interesting QB movement...

i read a artrice on SI in NOV/DEC on Cousins he seeps in a charber he is in way to his health

 

[Marciano490]

i read a artrice on SI in NOV/DEC on Cousins he seeps in a charber he is in way to his health

Sounds like another QB who’s done well for himself.

 

[lambeau]

Bovada Sportsbook line on Cousins signing:

Broncos 3-2
Jets 2-1
Cardinals 4-1

 

[j-man]

denver has 35 mil in space sorue mile high report

QB i was wrong lol look like elway will go with keeurm hot wife but 1 year wonder

i ex none of denver FA'S to be back which denver only has 2 that will hurt MLB T Davis and wr C Lat

denver needs 2 OL a DL a mlb a cb 3rd wr RB and a better coach

that said denver will improve over last year due to getting Pitt Sea Rams at home i see 6 home wins and 2 or 3 road wins @ nyj @ zona @ ciny i have denver at 7.5 wins right now

 

[E5 Yaz]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- For the second time in the past seven years, the Denver Broncos have roared into free agency to fix a quarterback problem.

In 2012 it was Peyton Manning, and this year it's Case Keenum.

Sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter the Broncos will reel in the 30-year-old Keenum to be their quarterback of the present and future when free agency officially opens Wednesday.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22740371/former-minnesota-vikings-quarterback-case-keenum-intends-sign-denver-broncos

 

[mauf]

They obviously had to do something and must have decided (or discovered) that they were out on Cousins.

Keenum is probably the best decision-maker among the available QBs (even including Cousins), but you’ve got to design an offensive scheme around his weak arm — he simply can’t make some throws that most pro QBs can. Of course, the same was true of Peyton in his last year or two, so the Broncos might feel they’re better able than other clubs to do that.

 

[j-man]

keenum is a high end trevor simean only signed because of kubiak

if he playes like last year denver is 9-7 if he goes into 2016 keenum we are 6-10 the best moves for denver now is get Q Nelson at 5 then go up to 8 and give up a 2019 1 and get rosen or mayfield

 

[j-man]

denver is also likely to sign T J Carrie as well

 

[j-man]

den added CB T Brock re-sign ILB davis and is looking at Breaux No CB Carrie went to Cle

 

[j-man]

well with FA mostly over for denver

here is denver starters as of now

QB Keemum
rb Booker or D Herdson
WR DT Sanders
TE Trylor or butt
LT Bolies
LG Leary
C Pardeills
RG Mcgovern
RT Veldeffher

LE Wolfe gostis might be susp 4-6 games for rape charegs
RE S Harris
dt Peko
LOLB Miller
MLB Marshall davis
Rolb Ray Barnett
cb Roby Harris jr T Brock
FS J Simmons
SS S Cravers

K McManus
P King

who we will draft at 5 QB Mayfield or Rosen or CB D Ward or G Q Nelson

 

[SMU_Sox]

well with FA mostly over for denver

who we will draft at 5 QB Mayfield or Rosen or CB D Ward or G Q Nelson

Isn't that an interesting question? We've heard Elway isn't done swinging for a QB so naturally one would think the Broncos would be linked to one. All the rumors suggest Quenton Nelson is happening at 5 or a trade-back. I love Quenton Nelson and think he is a destroyer of mere mortal men but that's still taking a guard 5th overall. What do you think Jman? I think Rosen will be there and I think he is QB1... Honestly if it were me I'd turn in Rosen's name on the card and that would be my day. You can always get guys for the interior OL later on in the draft. Not at Quenton Nelson's level but good starters.

Back to you... what would you do? What do you think they will do?

 

[j-man]

elway wants a qb i think

i think they are 3 good qb 1 Rosen 2 Danold 3 Mayfeild

what I wouild Do see who is at 5 talk to the bears at 8 try to get RB J Howard and a ex pick if rosen is on the board at 5 take him if not trade down to 8 get CB D Ward wait until 18-25 then move back in the first and get giveing our 19 1st for DE/OLB Davenport or WR Sutton

 

[j-man]

in summary i think qb mayfield but for me CB D Ward HB Howard and WR Sutton

 

[j-man]

here is denver sch


Broncos 2018 schedule
Wk Date Opponent Time (MT) TV
1 Sep 9 vs Seattle Seahawks 2:05 PM FOX my pjod W Sea has 7 New Def Starters and 8 years ago lost to the 2010 broncos by 2 td's
2 Sep 16 vs Oakland Raiders 2:25 PM CBS W gruden is 0-5 at Den Carr does not play well aga den
3 Sep 23 at Baltimore Ravens 11:00 AM CBS L West coast going east L
4 Sep 30 vs Kansas City Chiefs (MNF) 6:15 PM ESPN W Toss UP but denver is due for a home win aga KC
5 Oct. 7 at New York Jets 11:00 AM CBS W yes West going East but Denver beat the Jets 23-0 last season
6 Oct 14 vs Los Angeles Rams 2:05 PM FOX L if denver wins here then maybe they are a playoff team
7 Oct 18 at Arizona Cardinals (TNF) 6:25 PM FOX W we know mccoy very well bradford will plob be out
8 Oct 28 at Kansas City Chiefs 11:00 AM CBS L i dont see it
9 Nov 4 vs Houston Texans 2:05 PM CBS TUP L TossUp but they have the betther Def
10 Nov 11 BYE
11 Nov 18 at Los Angeles Chargers 2:05 PM CBS L SD allways gets hot at this time of year
12 Nov 25 vs Pittsburgh Steelers 2:25 PM CBS L pats fans will need a denver win here its possble
13 Dec 2 at Cincinnati Bengals 11:00 AM CBS W yes west going east but denver outgainned ciny 2-1 in yards last season
14 Dec 9 at San Francisco 49ers 2:05 PM CBS L jimmy g
15 Dec 15 vs Cleveland Browns 2:30 PM NFLN W its Cleveland
16 Dec 24 at Oakland Raiders (MNF) 6:15 PM ESPN L with ESPN production team helping gruden and denver traveling on chriseve its a L
17 Dec 30 vs Los Angeles Chargers 2:25 PM CBS W hopefully LA has nothing to play for denver needs a 7-2 start to think about any playoff shot unlees we beat Oak on chrismas Eve no playoffs for denver in 2018

 

[j-man]

Denver had a A draft Chubb should be a ALL Pro R Mathis M Williams Type
Suttion Was Number 1 WR on my draft board will be our 3 WR this year WR 1 or 2 next season reading on roloworld they think he is a A Jeffery type
Freeman should be our starter at RB looks a lot like CJ Anderson to me
J Jewll should be a 8-10 year starter after 18
I Yerllon should be a good Nickel CB
and J Hollard can made the team as a udfa

but to get 4 Probable Starters in 1 draft is very rate

next season denver has to get 1 or 2 DL and maybe a QB if keemerm busts

 

[j-man]

denvers media guide 2018 http://files.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/email_blast/2018_DenverBroncos_Media_Guide.pdf

 

[tims4wins]

 

[j-man]

through the first 3 weeks of preseason here is what i see
QB keeum is a 9-7 10-6 type of qb honsty Tyrod Taylor would be better for us keemem overthrows his wr too much esp DT now if he plays like last night Denver is a 9-7 10-6 if its like the first 2 weeks we are 7-9 6-10 c Kelly could be Denver guy in 2019 2020

RB Booker is a bust lacks vision between the tack Freeman should be our starter with Lindsey backing him up

WR i love DT great all time bronco but with ne thin at outside wr and u in win now mode with keemum favoring sanders sutton and d hamilon plus guys like tim patrick river cracarft that couild be good role guys
wouild u gvie up a 2nd and 3rd and both 2nds in win the super bowl for dt

te herman will start butt seems ave to me the rest are just jags
OL our o-line is better at pass pro but if we lose anyone of the starters for a long period we are going to suttfer
front 7 i like this area but we give up 2 or 3 runs a game i think its schme but i am worrey about the DL pass rush
OLB chubb looks like he will be really good in 2019 but 18 its going to be up/down the MLB Can stop the run but cant cover on 3rd down
CB denver does not have a 3rd cb roby is a 2nd cb and harris jr covers the slot the guy from BC looks like he needs a redshirt year
S denver is thin here now cra'ns might be a cut because D Thomas saf had the game of his life last night

outlook with seattle e thomas and oakland mack likely to miss early with 3 home in the first 4 weeks agign denver should get off to a 3-1 start
but after that denver might be only favored in 3 more games the rest of the season @ zona @ ciny cle can denver beat the rams steelers and texas at home its doubtful we beat all three

i say 8-8 overall

 

[koufax32]

Based upon what you’ve seen and read, will Freeman be given a chance to be the starter?

 

[j-man]

not at first but i expect to start by week 6 btw we added adam pacman jones on sunday he shouild be denvers 3rd CB

 

[j-man]

well week 1 was great ex for keemem 3 int

they have 3 good wr 2 good RB a ave OL a front 7 as good as philly

if denver can guard the middle of the field stay inj free and case K does not turn the ball over denver will be 10-6

 

[j-man]

update

i have watched every play this season and

while denver is not awful they are kinda in no-man-land they will win at least 3 more games which means draft picks in the 12-15 range and the lessons of denver last 3 seasons are

1 great QB earn u 3 or 4 more wins above your talent level
2 have good ownship cause if u dont u turn into the browns 90's bengls

i am alone on this hot take but i think vance has to stay for 2019 because if he gets fired unless denver gets a harbargh or david shaw u cant have new coaches every 2-3 years

because playing the nfc north afc south next season most likely means 8-8 at best anyway

here is what i wouild do to try and make denver a playoff theat

1 in the offseason put von miller and e sanders on the block with the right deals ie miller to hou for clowney and 2 1st sanders also for 2 1sts lats say NE the key wouild be to get 2 1st rounud 2020 picks so denver can package their own plus the other 2 2020 ones to get tua t from bama

because without a great qb denver can say goodbye to winning div titties for the next 10-12 years thanks to mahomes

 

[thebtskink]

I agree they'd be wise to sell a few pieces like Sanders and Miller to accumulate picks, but what they need to be careful about is not spending all the draft capital for one player.

You don't want to end up like Houston, who could afford a QB but had no picks left to get an O-Line to protect him.

 

[j-man]

boy i was off and by the way btskink u were right denver o-line has jelled in the last 3 weeks with garrett bolies and 4 JAGS

denver still needs a qb but if they have a draft close to 2018 in 2020 they might be in the hunt