“Silent handshake deal” is describing an event, not a prediction.Are you asking for evidence of someone's prediction?
“Silent handshake deal” is describing an event, not a prediction.Are you asking for evidence of someone's prediction?
This is my post, so you could have just quoted it in the other thread, but sure I’ll respond. I don’t ever want a top 11-15 QB in this league because they very rarely win SB, but win enough to keep you from drafting elite talent every year. I think if you asked BB what the goal was, it would be to win Superbowls, not go 9-7 and wallow in mediocrity. And as for BB winning after Brady with a blah QB...the guy is 65. If Brady goes another 2-3 years, how much longer exactly do you think he’s going to coach?Indeed, BB parting with Jacoby Brissett is cited for the proposition that nothing less than a top-ten starter will do, as if someone in the 11 to 16 range is unacceptable.
I’d take someone 11 to 16 right now as the eventual successor. By definition it’s at least League average. BB can win with that or better. Maybe not as much, and maybe not Super Bowls, but he can win. The Bills deciding for one game that Tyrod Taylor is unacceptable probably will cost them a playoff spot.
Your bar is admittedly high.This is my post, so you could have just quoted it in the other thread, but sure I’ll respond. I don’t ever want a top 11-15 QB in this league because they very rarely win SB, but win enough to keep you from drafting elite talent every year. I think if you asked BB what the goal was, it would be to win Superbowls, not go 9-7 and wallow in mediocrity. And as for BB winning after Brady with a blah QB...the guy is 65. If Brady goes another 2-3 years, how much longer exactly do you think he’s going to coach?
I doubt they’ll be getting another all-time coach once BB leaves, so the best bet is to Mike McCarthy-proof things by setting things up better than Jacoby Brissett or leave the team pile of crap for better rebuilding chances. Maybe the odds aren’t likely and Jimmy sure might qualify as a future elite QB, but the problem is Brady is still playing at an MVP level, this team has BB (unlike the 2022 Pats), and it’s constructed to compete for SB the next few years. I think maybe some people have forgotten exactly how difficult it is to make the AFCCG, because doing anything to potentially hinder a few years as potential SB favorites in favor of an unknown future down the road is a hell of a lot to give up. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have averaged one Superbowl every 12 years or so. Even if Jimmy turns into a HOF QB, there are absolutely no guarantees.
I said haven’t produced good QBs recently. Key was recently.USC hasn't produced good QBs? mmmmmK....
The draft is fundamentally an exercise in small samples and narrowing it down to one position at one school reduces the sample size to meaninglessly small. The counter-example to this line of thinking is Aaron Rodgers. For years it was "Jeff Tedford can't produce a QB; all his QBs bust" until he produced an MVP and Super Bowl winner. I'm not scared off of Darnold because of what happened with Mark Sanchez nearly a decade ago or a bunch of not-good prospects also not working out. That way madness lies.I said haven’t produced good QBs recently. Key was recently.
Quick edit: also I meant NFL QBs not college QBs. Landry Jones was a good college QB but not a pro caliber starter. USC has had a long line of good college QBs but their last good QB in the NFL was Palmer. Leinart and Sanchez never worked out as starters. Barkley was a disappointment in his final season at USC anyway. Maybe I was a bit hard on USC. One good to great QB and two nfl backups who started at one point is good for any program. USC though has a high bar. So we probably agree more than we disagree, PP.
Far from an expert at this stuff and early in the process, but I would peg him in the round 2-4 range. I would guess if the Pats stand pat, he would definitely be on the board for the Garoppolo pick and likely to be there for their own second rounder.What's your sense of which round he should project to, if he indeed declares?
If you believe strongly enough in someone at QB it could be advantageous to pick him at 31 rather than 43 for the value of the 5th year option, no?Super Nomario said it in an earlier thread but if you want to be right about a higher percentage of draft QB predictions pick: bust. That being said I like the QB prospects this year much more than in the last 2.
By the time the Pats pick Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, and probably Allen will be off the table. That still leaves Jackson and Lauletta. Lauletta to the Pats is getting some buzz. This is a year where there is more top end QB talent so it is possible that some will drop.
If Allen, Jackson, or Lauletta is there at 31 do you pull the trigger? At 43? I think Lauletta at 31 is too rich and Jackson and Allen are guys that make me nervous because there is a lot to work on with them but they would have the luxury of working behind this offense for 1-3 years (we think) before having a chance to start. BB says he'd rather be a year early than late and with two guys who could benefit from not starting right away that seems like an unpopular option to fans but something that might materialize.
Obviously you'd balance that with future needs of the team and development. Then again would the Pats get a chance to draft a guy like an Allen in the next 2-3 years?
Personally I wouldn't pull the trigger on any QB with the first round pick because I think they need to target someone on defense there not just to fill an immediate need but to build up the pipeline. But if Josh Allen is sitting there at 31, and that's a big if, I am glad I only get to make decisions in the Salty Snack industry.
Not yet. I'll move it when we get closer to the draft season and folks are more willing/looking to visit the subforum.Lots of good info in this thread. Should it be moved to the sub-thread to keep from being lost now that the season is over?
Lauletta, .
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/kyle-lauletta?id=2559882One of the top FCS quarterbacks in the country carries a strong football genetics background. His father, Joe, was a quarterback at Navy in the 1980's,
I mean, COME ON. There's a LAX-playing, LAX-loving FCS quarterback who had a Navy quarterback dad and a Navy quarterback father and has drawn Jimmy G comparisons in draft process? Belichick is about to turn into a human heart-eyes emoji on this one.
My two dads? I smell sitcom!"Navy quarterback dad and a Navy quarterback father"
Wow. Having both of this is rare.
Is it based in a city? Maalox might watch and then insist he doesn't.My two dads? I smell sitcom!
My two dads? I smell sitcom!
Minneapolis/St. Paul of course.Is it based in a city? Maalox might watch and then insist he doesn't.
Going into Mobile arm strength was something I was looking to evaluate in person, because it looked sufficient for FCS play but I wasn't sure he could function against better competition. He answered that question. His arm is good enough to run an NFL offense, particularly New England's. IMO it's more a scheme issue. He wouldn't be the ideal quarterback to run a downfield/Coryell type of offense but he can make 95% or so of the throws NE would ask him to be making just fine. Plus, what Lance doesn't mention in his writeup is his anticipation. He's far ahead of most other quarterbacks in this group - which gets us to processing speed - and that is the great equalizer.Questions about arm strength are generally not.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/kyle-lauletta?id=2559882
How many minds did the Senior Bowl change?
He's not a UDFA. For example McShay has him as QB8 right now, behind the Big Five, Rudolph and Falk. I'll have him above Falk, but yeah, that puts him in the Day 2 mix.Yeah, he's a cool story, but NFL.com has him as an UDFA right now. I'd still be looking to draft someone and invite this guy to camp if no one drafts him.
Many pundits also had JG as a Day 2 candidate. NFLDraftScout.com had him #6:He's not a UDFA. For example McShay has him as QB8 right now, behind the Big Five, Rudolph and Falk. I'll have him above Falk, but yeah, that puts him in the Day 2 mix.
Thanks. Question and an observation.I listened to Mark's take on Intentional Scouting and Locked On Patriots talk about Jackson and then watched some of his tape from 2016 and 2017. He was a guy along with Josh Allan who was being discussed after last year as guys to watch this year.
Before I get into what I saw I'd note that against teams like NC State Louisville's offensive line struggled and that clearly impacted Jackson. Also, he dropped a few balls into buckets down the field for his receivers and they flat out dropped them multiple times. Drops were an issue for his receivers this year.
Jackson made a transition from his style of play last year to this year. Last year he would make a lot of one or two reads and run, or look to run if the defense gave him a favorable look. When he scrambled last year he would still make throws on the run and look to his receivers but he was more likely to keep it and go. It's fun to watch the runs too - they are excited giggle worthy. If you want to make Mike Vick comparisons I think his 2016 tape is more Vickish. In 2017, and Mark talks about this, Jackson stayed in the pocket longer, made full progressions, looked to throw on the run. He began his transition into becoming a complete QB.
His 2017 tape against FSU (yes they had a down year) exhibits his growth as a player.
Dedication to the pass:
Against FSU, 4th and 5 he hangs in the pocket until just before the pressure arrived but it was incomplete. I believe he could have scrambled to his left.
On a 2nd and 3 he shuffles to the sideline and flips a pass for the first down.
Consistently making multiple reads.
Timing/Anticipation:
He isn't the most consistent here and I think that's the biggest struggle adjusting for him. He has it though - and given his path it makes sense he isn't as good as others here.
Touch/Accuracy:
Yes he occasionally can sail a ball or be a little behind/ahead a receiver but he was accurate to all levels of the field. His deep touch was outstanding even 40-50 yards downfield. The drops on his deep balls were tragic. He also threw with different touches - he has good velocity on his fast ball but can adjust speeds and arc depending on the throw and route. Room for more development but he has the tools.
His legs will dazzle you - that's still there.
There are a few elements here that intrigue me about him and the Patriots. Mark notes that Jackson ran an Erhardt-Perkins offense at LSU (Bobby Petrino). Similarity, Patriots. He is a guy who has a high ceiling because of his athleticism, tools, mental decision making, and use as a runner. He could benefit from developing for 2-3 years though and complete his transition. This years draft is another factor and where I am still gathering evidence to have a better opinion on it but from what I can tell the top end of the pool is shallow with a lot of talent available in rounds 2-4. So if the difference in talent and upgrade to the roster isn't that much between 31 and 43 with Jackson's ceiling I would be ok if they pulled the trigger there.
I think with Allen there are more question marks for me and I would not take him at 31. But if Lamar Jackson is available and the Patriots think he can be their next guy? Sign me up. If they want to go a different direction I'll grab my bib and drool over that guy then.
Edit: draft pick correction.