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Sam Ray Not

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Melo would do wonders for the development of Ingram and Kuzma, too, lolz.

Houston seems like a much better (or less bad) hoops fit; we’ll see how CP3’s powers of persuasion compare to Magic and LeBron’s.

Another good move for OKC, who may be quietly moving up the WC ladder.
 

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OK, so it's simply mechanics for releasing a player, rather than tinkering with the contracts for a player you want to keep around.

Are the following true?

1) Other than option years, NBA contracts are all fully guaranteed, so releasing players offers no relief relative to the total obligations on the contract, other than the "stretch" ability to spread the payments and/or cap hit on remaining years over a longer period of time.
2) Only teams over the cap, and really only teams in the luxury tax, would generally prefer to stretch a released player, because of the multiplier-based savings to them. Teams under the cap would prefer to take cap hits upfront, both to hit the salary floor as well as to preserve cap optionality in future years (unless maybe it's right at the start of free agency).
3) Teams get no offsetting relief if another team signs a released player, you still owe every dime of what you promised them.
1) Generally there’s a buyout involved when waiving a player where the player accepts less than the full contract amount, so the team saves cash that way. Releasing a player without a buyout offers no relief and players are usually willing to take the buyout rather than be stuck on a team that doesn’t want to play them.
2) Yes, If a team has the cap room to absorb the hit without going over the tax thWu wouldn’t stretch the cap hit into multiple years unless they need to open up more cap space for immediate free agent signings (like what the Celtics did with Demetrius Jackson last year).
3) If a waived player getssigned by another team, the original team can offset some of what they owe the player based on how much they sign for.

The CBA FAQ has a good rundown, starting at question 64 here.
 

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Melo would do wonders for the development of Ingram and Kuzma, too, lolz.

Houston seems like a much better (or less bad) hoops fit; we’ll see how CP3’s powers of persuasion compare to Magic and LeBron’s.

Another good move for OKC, who may be quietly moving up the WC ladder.
I’m going with Houston here since they can offer the Ariza starting spot. LA may be the more desirable location but how many minutes would he get with LeBron, Ingram, Kuzma, Stephenson, etc.?
 

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OK, so it's simply mechanics for releasing a player, rather than tinkering with the contracts for a player you want to keep around.

Are the following true?

1) Other than option years, NBA contracts are all fully guaranteed, so releasing players offers no relief relative to the total obligations on the contract, other than the "stretch" ability to spread the payments and/or cap hit on remaining years over a longer period of time.
2) Only teams over the cap, and really only teams in the luxury tax, would generally prefer to stretch a released player, because of the multiplier-based savings to them. Teams under the cap would prefer to take cap hits upfront, both to hit the salary floor as well as to preserve cap optionality in future years (unless maybe it's right at the start of free agency).
3) Teams get no offsetting relief if another team signs a released player, you still owe every dime of what you promised them.
(1) is not true. Various years in contracts can be guaranteed, partially guaranteed, or non-guaranteed.

(2) is usually true but a team below the cap would want to stretch a contract to create more cap room to sign another contract. E.g., Lakers and Deng.

(3) true.
 

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Parker in a Charlotte uniform is going to look like Emmitt Smith on the Cardinals. Will just be weird. But it makes sense since Murray is ready for more minutes and Patty Mills' mini-albatross contract is still around for the next 3 years. Man, I hated that 4/50 contract for Mills last summer. Dude's a decent backup and nothing more.
 

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Tony Parker has agreed to a two-year $10M deal with Charlotte, per league source tells ESPN.

I believe Parker was known as a poor teammate most of his career, which made his Kawhi comments surprising at the time. Now he moves on after messing up the Spurs relationship with Kawhi. That is the most Tony Parker thing possible.
 

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I believe Parker was known as a poor teammate most of his career, which made his Kawhi comments surprising at the time. Now he moves on after messing up the Spurs relationship with Kawhi. That is the most Tony Parker thing possible.
Yes, banging your teammate’s wife is usually considered poor.
 

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Really? While it's not out of the question that they mesh, I think the more likely scenario is that they get into a fist fight at some point during the year.

What's LBJ going to do while RR is pounding the ball and probing probing probing looking to make the highlight play?

What's RR going to do when LBJ takes his guy down to the block?

Plus, it's not like RR plays a ton of defense. Someone mentioned Wayne Ellington upthread. Surprised LAL didn't go get him.
If Rondo doesn't have the highest basketball IQ in the NBA he is in the conversation. Same with LeBron. They will figure out a way to play together because that is who they are.

The knock on Rondo has been motivation and consistent effort. His best games came in the spotlight on national TV. He is hugely competitive and a great defender when he applies himself. If he is playing next to arguably the greatest player of all time, he will find a way to take it to the next level.

I watched him from my seats for many many years. Not only is he going to blow out Ball in the preseason for the starting gig, we're going to see some of his best work in years. That's my best guess.

We'll see though. It could blow up. I'm pretty biased but that's how I'm calling it.
 

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Slo-Mo for $9M+ and Zack LaVine for $20M? Did no one learn anything from the offseason of 2016?
 

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If Rondo doesn't have the highest basketball IQ in the NBA he is in the conversation. Same with LeBron. They will figure out a way to play together because that is who they are.

The knock on Rondo has been motivation and consistent effort. His best games came in the spotlight on national TV. He is hugely competitive and a great defender when he applies himself. If he is playing next to arguably the greatest player of all time, he will find a way to take it to the next level.

I watched him from my seats for many many years. Not only is he going to blow out Ball in the preseason for the starting gig, we're going to see some of his best work in years. That's my best guess.

We'll see though. It could blow up. I'm pretty biased but that's how I'm calling it.
Nobody was a bigger Rondo detractor when he was here than I was...….but you cannot question his understanding of the game. It's like in the top half of 1 percent of all time. There is the stories of him calling opponents sets before the 1 even initiated the play. One misnomer today is that he can't shoot......since he left Boston he's hit 3's at a very respectable 35.7% clip on over 500 attempts.
 

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Nobody was a bigger Rondo detractor when he was here than I was...….but you cannot question his understanding of the game. It's like in the top half of 1 percent of all time. There is the stories of him calling opponents sets before the 1 even initiated the play. One misnomer today is that he can't shoot......since he left Boston he's hit 3's at a very respectable 35.7% clip on over 500 attempts.

Brick was definitely a bigger Rondo detractor.
 

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Brick was definitely a bigger Rondo detractor.
Good call. I'd still have us about equal as I wanted him signed to a big contract about as much as I do Smart.....he was just more of a colossal a-hole about it while I was simply an ordinary one.
 

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Even though they have no incentive to tank I think that seems a very likely outcome

100% if you get a late first for it. Cool. After one year.
Because we cannot possibly wait for judgement.
Late first, lotto first, who cares. Fultz has astronomically far to go to catch up. Happy to eat my words if he does it.
 

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Bulls matched the offer to LaVine. Unbelievable because if they did not match they'd have 2 max slots open next year.

I like this move for the Bulls. Before he got hurt, LaVine was on his way to making a leap as an offensive player. He has the skillset to become a lead-dog scorer and the Bulls lack the star power that might attract other elite players. LaVine may turn out to be a pretty good bargain for this contract.
 

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I like this move for the Bulls. Before he got hurt, LaVine was on his way to making a leap as an offensive player. He has the skillset to become a lead-dog scorer and the Bulls lack the star power that might attract other elite players. LaVine may turn out to be a pretty good bargain for this contract.
And if he continues to get hurt, it's an albatross.
 

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the Bulls lack the star power that might attract other elite players.
IDK, I think Chicago itself (if not its current players) still has some cachet left even after the glory years. It's not like Sacramento, where they almost have no choice but to overpay to get a FA to consider it.
 

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Late first, lotto first, who cares. Fultz has astronomically far to go to catch up. Happy to eat my words if he does it.
Astronomically? That's a bit much. He just needs to outscore Tatum by 23.6 ppg in a playoff series in which the Sixers beat the Celtics and, voila, he has caught up. That's all.
 

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That money in this offseason. Man. Someone asked who's next, I have to think Parker gets that offer before Smart yeah?
 

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I like this move for the Bulls. Before he got hurt, LaVine was on his way to making a leap as an offensive player. He has the skillset to become a lead-dog scorer and the Bulls lack the star power that might attract other elite players. LaVine may turn out to be a pretty good bargain for this contract.
I agree with this. LaVine and Exum were signed based on future projected production. Each have the type of elite athleticism to have the type of upside to warrant these deals should they continue to grow their floor games and shooting.

Chicago is rebuilding so having two max slots next year wouldn't mean a whole lot.....having one may not. The best player I'd expect them to sign into that second slot (and maybe the first too) is LaVine. You can't let a young high upside guy walk for nothing when you have the space to sign him and have to reach the salary floor anyway. Failing to match would have been foolish. The snap match was the only play the Bulls had.
 

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And if he continues to get hurt, it's an albatross.
Well that is true of any contract. Also, per this story on ESPN, the offer sheet includes an exhibit that protects the team financially should LaVine suffer a serious injury to his surgically repaired left knee, league sources told ESPN.

But by all accounts he has worked hard to get himself back in shape and aside from the ACL and tendinitis that likely resulted from him pushing himself during his comeback, he was pretty durable during the first two seasons of his NBA career. He is young enough and has the right attributes that teams should gamble on. He is just 23 years and really appeared to figure it out offensively two seasons ago. Even if his defense is what it is, a guy who can shoot ~40% from deep while taking 3-4 triples per game while still having the ability to finish at the rim is very valuable in today's NBA.

IDK, I think Chicago itself (if not its current players) still has some cachet left even after the glory years. It's not like Sacramento, where they almost have no choice but to overpay to get a FA to consider it.
This may be true but all signs point to stars being the new destination for the NBA versus geography or franchise cachet. All the stars want to play with one another for the reasons that we've discussed on this forum. The Bulls need stars and aside from Markkanen, LaVine is the next best bet. If he resumes his growth, he compliments Lauri pretty well and puts the Bulls in a better position to attract other FAs.
 
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Another good move for OKC, who may be quietly moving up the WC ladder.
Was it ? I mean, it is the right move but should it be considered a “good” move? It is arguably a top 3 most obvious move in NBA history.

And, yes, I so want ‘Melo on the Lakers or Kingd.
 

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Honestly the king's could do with a smart a great deal more than lavine
Dodged their own bullet there. And the kings could do a lot worse than an offer to smart. They are dumb as rocks though so probably jabri