2018 Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady: Still Proving It

[rodderick]

He led three straight do or die drives and was surgical in all of them. That's the thing with Brady, dude has a killer instinct. When the money is on the line, he's throwing ropes into the tightest of windows. Great performance aside from the stupid interception on the goal line.

 

[DJnVa]

Nobody is ever appearing in 9 Super Bowls again. That is insane.

That said, now that we are here 6-3 is so much better than 5-4.

Remember, the folks that claim 3-0 is better than 5-3 think it would have ENHANCED Brady's postseason record to lose today to not even have chance in 2 weeks.

 

[loshjott]

Hey. I just got this.

Pretty amazing that their last road postseason win before tonight was San Diego in January 2007.

 

[Adrian's Dome]

He led three straight do or die drives and was surgical in all of them. That's the thing with Brady, dude has a killer instinct. When the money is on the line, he's throwing ropes into the tightest of windows. Great performance aside from the stupid interception on the goal line.

Dude is just fucking money with the game on the line.

Every third down with his back against the wall he delivered an absolute laser.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Brady is now going to appear in more Super Bowls(9) than career playoff road games(8).

 

[Ralphwiggum]

Remember, the folks that claim 3-0 is better than 5-3 think it would have ENHANCED Brady's postseason record to lose today to not even have chance in 2 weeks.

Yeah those people are morons.

I was actually OK with them losing last year but now I really don’t want them to lose two Super Bowls in a row. #patriotfanproblems

 

[LesterFan]

Brady is now going to appear in more Super Bowls(9) than career playoff road games(8).

Incredible

 

[loshjott]

Brady is now going to appear in more Super Bowls(9) than career playoff road games(8).

Tomato cans.

 

[Seels]

What was Brady's other playoff overtime win? This, SB51, what am I forgetting?

 

[FredJones]

What was Brady's other playoff overtime win? This, SB51, what am I forgetting?

Tuck rule game.

 

[rodderick]

What was Brady's other playoff overtime win? This, SB51, what am I forgetting?

His first playoff game against the Raiders.

 

[Rough Carrigan]

What was Brady's other playoff overtime win? This, SB51, what am I forgetting?

Oakland 2001

 

[Salem's Lot]

What was Brady's other playoff overtime win? This, SB51, what am I forgetting?

Wasn’t the snow game against the Raiders an OT game?

 

[Seels]

Ahh christ. Of course. I thought that ended in regulation, but what do I know, that was almost 20 years ago.

 

[ifmanis5]

ProFootballReference‏Verified account @pfref 1h1 hour ago
This is Tom Brady's 9th playoff 4th Quarter Comeback, as many as Joe Montana and John Elway combined
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career_playoffs.htm

 

[Ed Hillel]

Great game but an absolute stellar all time performance in the 4th Q and OT.

Since 2014, his playoff 4th quarter and OT numbers have to be absolutely Godly and insane.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

ProFootballReference‏Verified account @pfref 1h1 hour ago
This is Tom Brady's 9th playoff 4th Quarter Comeback, as many as Joe Montana and John Elway combined
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career_playoffs.htm

But some day, Max Kellerman will be right. Just not today...

 

[Deathofthebambino]

The greatest there ever was, is or will be.

 

[Seels]

we're legitimately at the point Brady has three Hall of Fame caliber careers.
2001-2006 - rings
2007-2013 - stats / 2 MVPS
2014 - now - cliff

 

[TFisNEXT]

It's unreal what he has done late in games in recent playoffs.

You just have to sit back and tip your cap. It's a privilege to watch.

 

[BornToRun]

But some day, Max Kellerman will be right. Just not today...

What annoys me about him so much isn’t his constant cliff talk, it’s that I know he’ll have the fucking gall to claim he was right when Tom finally does slow down.

 

[E5 Yaz]

But some day, Max Kellerman will be right. Just not today...

You don't want to look at his Twitter feed right now

 

[Ralphwiggum]

 

[TFisNEXT]

This is pretty amazing.

 

[BigSoxFan]

What annoys me about him so much isn’t his constant cliff talk, it’s that I know he’ll have the fucking gall to claim he was right when Tom finally does slow down.

Why do you care about Max Kellerman? He’s a nobody.

 

[Brand Name]

Since 2014, his playoff 4th quarter and OT numbers have to be absolutely Godly and insane.

Let's fucking do this. Includes kneeldowns, hence the awful rushing numbers. Does not include conversions as untimed downs.

2014 Divisional vs. BAL: 8/8 for 72, 4 rush -3 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs.
2014 Championship vs. IND: 3/5, 22 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.
Super Bowl 49 vs. SEA: 13/15, 124 passing yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTS, 2 rush, -3 yards

2015 Divisional vs. KC: 5/11, 37 passing yards, 3 rush, -4 rushing yards.
2015 Championship at DEN: 13/26, 152 passing yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 0 rush.

2016 Divisional vs. HOU: 2/7, 13 passing yards, 3 rush, -3 yards.
2016 Championship vs. PIT: 4/5, 23 passing yards, 3 rush, -3 yards.
Super Bowl 51 vs. ATL: 21/28 246 yards, 1 TD.

2017 Divisional vs. TEN: 6/9, 39 yards, 1 passing TD, 1 rush 2 yards.
2017 Championship vs. JAX: 9/14 138 passing yards, 2 passing TDs, 4 rush, -1 yard.
2017 Super Bowl vs. PHI: 9/16, 101 yards, 1 passing TD, 1 fumble lost.

2018 Divisional vs. LAC: 5/7 65 passing yards, 2 rush, -1 yard.
2018 Championship vs. KC: 14/24 180 passing yards, 1 INT, 1 rush, -1 yard.

CLIFF!

But collectively? 112/175 (64.0%), 1,212 (heh) passing yards, 9 touchdowns, 1 INT, 23 rushes for -17 yards, 1 fumble lost, 99.04 rating. Considering how many of these games were blowouts that didn't require a ton of comeback or passing late, this genuinely might undersell Tom.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 

[InstaFace]

Of course, the haters on Twitter are pounding on the fact that Brady's opponents never touched the ball in those games. As if that's the only story.

Simply calling them haters isn't enough for me. Let's have some fun with it.

Peyton Manning playoff OT log:

• 2000 WC @MIA: Got the ball in OT, failed to lead a winning drive, Vanderjagt missed a 49-yarder, Jay Fielder comes back the other way for a GW TD.
• 2008 WC @SD: Indy's last 5 drives of the game: 3-and-out, long drive pushed back by penalties leading to a punt, 3 and out, (SD game-tying FG with 0:33 left), chucks it deep but then kneels, and then in OT Rivers leads a 13-play drive for the GW TD by Sproles.
• 2012 DIV vs BAL: final drives of the 4th were a 16-yard drive and punt from midfield, (game-tying TD from Flacco), a kneel with 0:31 left, then in OT 6 plays / 23 yards, 7 plays / 31 yards ending in an INT in their own territory that leads to the GW FG for BAL.
• 2015 AFCCG vs NWE: escapes from having to play OT by the skin of his motherfucking teeth

So he's 0-3, having had the ball in 2 of those losses.

Ben Roethlisberger playoff OT log:

• 2004 DIV vs NYJ: Attempt at GW 4Q drive at 1:58 remaining sees an INT on its first and only play. Goes to OT only because of a missed last-second 43-yard FG. Jets started with the ball in OT, did only 10 yards in 7 plays, PIT goes 72 yards in 14 plays for GW FG.
• 2011 WC @DEN: Ben leads 10-point 4Q comeback, gets sacked on 4th down of last-second drive instead of throwing hail mary, and then first play of OT, Tebow throws to D. Thomas on a crossing route that goes for 80 yards and the GW TD.

So he's 1-1, with opponent having had the ball in the win, but never having seen the ball (nor his defense the receiver...) in the OT loss.

Aaron Rodgers playoff OT log:

• 2009 WC @ARI: Led 5 consecutive 2nd-half TD drives, Cardinals miss 34-yard FG to win in regulation, Rodgers gets the ball in OT and on 4th play of drive, is strip-sacked, recovered by Dansby and returned for the GW TD.
• 2014 NFCCG @SEA: Led last-second 4Q drive to tie the game after goofy-AF 2-point conversion by SEA, Seahawks get ball in OT and march 87 yards for the TD and NFC title
• 2015 DIV @ARI: Leads last-minute 4Q drive to tie (on passing plays of 60 yards and 41 yards), only to see Larry Fitz go 75 yards on the first play of OT and score the GW TD 2 plays later.

So he's 0-3, having had the ball in 1 of those losses.

Drew Brees playoff OT log:

• 2004 WC vs NYJ: Leads last-minute tying TD drive, gets ball in OT, goes 3-and-out, then leads 14-play drive resulting in a missed 40yd FG, followed by Chad Pennington going back the other way for a made GW FG.
• 2009 NFCCG vs MIN: Favre driving for GW FG in 4Q, gets to NOR 33yd line, throws INT (of course). In OT, Brees leads 10-play, 39-yd drive for GW FG.

So he's 1-1, having had the ball in the loss, but having the only OT possession in the win.

Brett Favre playoff OT log:

• 2003 WC vs SEA: Seattle ties game with 0:51 remaining, quick drive results in Ryan Longwell missing a 42 yarder for GB; in OT both sides go 3-and-out and then Hasselbeck throws a Pick-6 for the loss.
• 2003 DIV @PHI: Eagles tie game with FG with 5 seconds left; in OT, PHI goes 3-and-out, Favre promptly throws an INT on his first play, and McNabb goes 31 yards to set up the GW FG.
• 2007 NFCCG vs NYG: Packers go 3-and-out twice in 4Q; on 2nd play of OT, Favre throws INT, returned to the GB 34, and 3 plays later the Giants kick the GW FG.
• 2009 NFCCG @MIN: As above, Favre throws INT in final drive of 4Q, and Brees marches the field for the win in first drive of OT.

So he's 1-3, and even the win he had no role in making happen; in all 3 of the losses, Favre had the ball in OT, and threw an INT.

John Elway playoff OT log:

• 1986 AFCCG @CLE: Elway leads The Drive, 98 yards in 15 plays to tie the game with 0:37 remaining, converting 3 3rd-downs along the way. Cleveland started OT with the ball, punted, and 60 yards later the Broncos kick the GW FG.

That's it, 1 playoff OT game out of 21 playoff games played. 1-0, both sides having had the ball in that game. A week after that game, he has a much rougher day at the office, against a young DC named Belichick.

Joe Montana playoff OT log:

• 1993 WC vs PIT: After a blocked punt, an injured Montana leads game-tying TD drive in 4Q (on 4th down), followed by a missed 43-yard attempt on the last play of regulation. Both sides punted in OT before Montana led a long drive for a GW FG.

And that's it, 1-0 in OT, with the opponent having possessed the ball. Still, that's one more playoff OT game than Dan Marino ever played.

Tom Brady is 3-0 in OT, with the opponent never having possessed the ball ever. All 3 game-winning drives were lengthy affairs, 2 of them yielding touchdowns, and the third surely would have as well if needed to win the game (the 15-play drive went to the Raiders' 5, with the GW FG kicked on 3rd down).

In conclusion: Other HOF quarterbacks have had just as many opportunities to lead GW drives to start OT, but with few exceptions, most of them screwed it up somehow.

 

[LaszloKovacks]

This is incredible

 

[LogansDad]

God he's such a fucking dork. And I love him all the more for it.

 

[brandonchristensen]

That IG post is insane. lol

Showing off that cocky shit that Ty Law talked about. I love it.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Brady seeks out Mahomes after the game:

"After this rollicking and roller-coaster playoff duel, with the Pats and Chiefs combining for four touchdowns and one field goal in the final seven minutes, 45 seconds of the fourth quarter, with a Super Bowl appearance baying in the winter wind, there was no way Brady was leaving Arrowhead Stadium without a word with Mahomes.

So Brady followed NFL and Chiefs security through a back door of the Chiefs’ locker room, until they found the 23-year-old likely MVP who had pushed and pushed and pushed the great Tom Brady to the limits.

The meeting wasn’t long. A few positive words and some elder praise for the next generation. The gesture was what mattered. The respect shown was what counted."

https://t.co/tWzwGgnmq4

 

[luckiestman]

So much smirking and tomahawk chops this weekend. The world is a strange place that seems to get stranger every day.

 

[InstaFace]

here is all I see from that IG post:

Spoiler

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

Brady is now going to appear in more Super Bowls(9) than career playoff road games(8).

That was also true before yesterday's game was played.

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Doesn't the fact that Brady's opponents don't get the ball in OT add to his greatness, not detract from it? (Other than being lucky to win the flip.)

 

[luckiestman]

Doesn't the fact that Brady's opponents don't get the ball in OT add to his greatness, not detract from it? (Other than being lucky to win the flip.)

It’s silly and a waste of time to get into a logical argument with emotional people

 

[Comfortably Lomb]

Doesn't the fact that Brady's opponents don't get the ball in OT add to his greatness, not detract from it? (Other than being lucky to win the flip.)

What are the other options at this point? A rebuttal drive no matter what? That seems like a fair way to do it—back and forth until one team can’t keep up?

 

[Red Averages]

6-3 in Super Bowl would be a winning percentage of .667%
5-4 would be .556%.

I was told however you slice the Patriots record they usually come out around 70% of the time winning. Soooo....

 

[InstaFace]

What are the other options at this point? A rebuttal drive no matter what? That seems like a fair way to do it—back and forth until one team can’t keep up?

That's basically the college system, except they start you on the plus-25 to take punts out of it.

 

[TomTerrific]

Why do you care about Max Kellerman? He’s a nobody.

Kellerman is a one-trick pony, and his career lasts as long as Brady does. That is all.

 

[Oppo]

Seems as though it would be fair if the team without the ball in OT could play defense.

Have any of the historically great defenses ever (or would you) defer in OT trusting your defense to make a stop and set up the offense in good field position only needing a FG?

 

[lexrageorge]

That's basically the college system, except they start you on the plus-25 to take punts out of it.

No thanks.

The main purpose of football OT is to end the game quickly. It used to be that it could end on a FG first possession, which did start to get lame with kickers regularly making 50+ yard kicks. Now it just requires the team that loses the toss to keep the opponent out of the end zone.

Getting the ball first is an advantage, but it still makes it challenging if you can only make an FG, as a TD by the opponent ends the game. Had Andy Reid called a timeout or two, they may have been able to test that theory.

 

[DJnVa]

If both teams get the ball, even with a TD there's also the slight "benefit" of the second team knowing they always have 4 downs to get the first down. The first team does not have that ability to always go for it on 4th down.

 

[Matty005]

No thanks.

The main purpose of football OT is to end the game quickly. It used to be that it could end on a FG first possession, which did start to get lame with kickers regularly making 50+ yard kicks. Now it just requires the team that loses the toss to keep the opponent out of the end zone.

Getting the ball first is an advantage, but it still makes it challenging if you can only make an FG, as a TD by the opponent ends the game. Had Andy Reid called a timeout or two, they may have been able to test that theory.

Makes it even more challenging if you stop them all together. Then, all you need is a FG to win.

 

[johnmd20]

Doesn't the fact that Brady's opponents don't get the ball in OT add to his greatness, not detract from it? (Other than being lucky to win the flip.)

Brees got the ball in OT yesterday. He lost because he threw an INT. So, yeah, it adds to Brady's greatness.

 

[soxhop411]

Kellerman gets torn apart by SAS (the first time I agree with SAS in like 2000 years)

 

[johnmd20]

If both teams get the ball, even with a TD there's also the slight "benefit" of the second team knowing they always have 4 downs to get the first down. The first team does not have that ability to always go for it on 4th down.

That's an utterly humongous benefit. You get 33% more chances to advance the ball. Nothing slight about it. In fact, under these rules, win probability would most certainly be in the favor of the team who doesn't receive.

 

[loshjott]

Simply calling them haters isn't enough for me. Let's have some fun with it.

Drew Brees playoff OT log:

• 2004 WC vs NYJ: Leads last-minute tying TD drive, gets ball in OT, goes 3-and-out, then leads 14-play drive resulting in a missed 40yd FG, followed by Chad Pennington going back the other way for a made GW FG.
• 2009 NFCCG vs MIN: Favre driving for GW FG in 4Q, gets to NOR 33yd line, throws INT (of course). In OT, Brees leads 10-play, 39-yd drive for GW FG.

So he's 1-1, having had the ball in the loss, but having the only OT possession in the win..

Tom Brady is 3-0 in OT, with the opponent never having possessed the ball ever. All 3 game-winning drives were lengthy affairs, 2 of them yielding touchdowns, and the third surely would have as well if needed to win the game (the 15-play drive went to the Raiders' 5, with the GW FG kicked on 3rd down).

In conclusion: Other HOF quarterbacks have had just as many opportunities to lead GW drives to start OT, but with few exceptions, most of them screwed it up somehow.

Um, the Brees entry needs an update.

 

[DJnVa]

That's an utterly humongous benefit. You get 33% more chances to advance the ball. Nothing slight about it. In fact, under these rules, win probability would most certainly be in the favor of the team who doesn't receive.

That's the only reason I hedged, you only get the benefit if you've given up a TD and 100% have to score, so I don't know how those numbers would shake out.