Only if we accept that XXIIC:2:iii is, indeed, relevant to trades and not other varieties of player movement from one team to another.
2019-20 Offseason Discussion
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In the case of the Punto trade though wasn't the actual money given equal across the years of the subsidy? If the other team agrees to it, in theory Spier could be right.
In an article mostly talking about the Padres pursuit of Fransisco Lindor, Ken Rosenthal says there has been discussions between the Red Sox and Padres about Mookie Betts. Betts' name came up as one of many names that AJ Preller has discussed.
https://theathletic.com/1464097/2019/12/16/rosenthal-interesting-talks-unlikely-deals-what-padres-yanks-discussions-about-lindor-schwarber-really-mean/
https://theathletic.com/1464097/2019/12/16/rosenthal-interesting-talks-unlikely-deals-what-padres-yanks-discussions-about-lindor-schwarber-really-mean/
Padres have some really interesting players. Quantrill, Paddack, Gore, Mejia, Patino, Abrams etc...I'm sure Tatis is off-limits but they could make a semi attractive pitch for one year of Mookie.
First you're telling me that you don't know what "assignor" and "assignee" mean, now you're backseat driving my reading of the agreement without any indication that you went and read it yourself?
Not only does the agreement quite transparently say what I said it does, that is also how these things have worked from time immemorial. When we sent money in the Punto trade, it was accounted on the Sox CBT payroll as equal payments of $3.9m.
If you want to point to something in either the text of the agreement or trade history that suggests I'm mistaken, I'd love to hear it.
As we roll around ideas for the Sox getting below the CBT threshold while remaining competitive, can we revisit a version of an idea that I think was floated earlier this offseason? What if the Sox extended Price on a cheap but real extension, not one merely calculated to circumvent the CBT? For example, offer to replace his existing deal with a 4 year deal that essentially tacks on $4M in new money, making it a $100M deal, and "sweetening" it by front-loading (say, $35/$30/$20/$15) and giving him an opt-out after year 2? That gives him more guaranteed money and some new flexibility in exchange for some payroll relief. It would shave $6M off the team's AAV. That plus a Bradley dump trade would get them pretty close to $208, depending on other moves. Price would obviously have to agree, but he might, with this sort of structure. It's favorable to him. He'd have a legit choice to walk after year two, depending on what the new CBA looks like, and his health, etc.
I know he struggled all season and was a potential target at the trading deadline, but would people be interested in exploring a trade for Edwin Diaz again? A lot of articles about how the Mets are trying to get him back on form for 2020. You'd think they would have interest in JBJ but I don't if it would be enough.
I think Brodie has to give Diaz a chance to turn things around this season. Moving him now could be a huge mistake on several fronts. He would get one year of JBJ at about 11 million and still be saddled with Cano at 24 per for the next four seasons and if Diaz is resurrected in another uniform he's just going to get killed. Also Diaz is first year arb eligible heading into this season. Coming off last season's performance he's probably not going to command the huge numbers that his 2018 season might have netted him. I think it takes more than a year of JBJ to give up on Diaz.
Didn't the Mets just trade for Jake Marisnick? Seems like that would temper any interest they might have in JBJ as the center piece of any deal, Diaz or not.
They did but he's not the defender JBJ is and at 3 million might make a nice 4th OF option along with Nimmo and Conforto. That said i don't think they do JBJ for Diaz.
Quick quiz - what team do you think this person is tweeting about?
"If one of the richest teams in baseball is going to min/max their way to getting rid of the entertaining, and good, players and staff and having another losing season in exchange for maybe having higher World Series odds in 2023, I’m sure not watching 162 games."
"If one of the richest teams in baseball is going to min/max their way to getting rid of the entertaining, and good, players and staff and having another losing season in exchange for maybe having higher World Series odds in 2023, I’m sure not watching 162 games."
View: https://twitter.com/kevinmdraper/status/1206720446319730688
I just find it interesting that many (well, at least 2) fan bases of teams that have been historically strong are having similar reactions to new management's approach. This tweet accurately sums up my feelings about the Sox this off-season.
I just find it interesting that many (well, at least 2) fan bases of teams that have been historically strong are having similar reactions to new management's approach. This tweet accurately sums up my feelings about the Sox this off-season.
I think I'll wait until they actually do something shitty before acting like they did something shitty.
Exactly.
To this point, the only thing of significance the Red Sox have really done is lose Porcello to free agency and sign Martin Perez, presumably to take his place. Everything else (salary dumps, trades, etc) is talk and speculation.
This is an interesting idea. Hadn’t occurred to me and I didn’t want it to get buried.
We’re a better team with Price and I don’t think we should sell low, and the strategy you articulable is a bet that the penalties we’d face would be mitigated by the next CBA.
White Sox sign Gio Gonzalez, Angels sign Julio Teheran. suitors may be drying up for a SP trade.
Fun note amongst all the Mookie tension.
Today is the 15th anniversary of the Jay Payton signing!
Today is the 15th anniversary of the Jay Payton signing!
Both of those teams have multiple slots to fill, and Gonzales in particular is more of a lottery ticket than some sort of ace. I'd downgrade their desperation for pitching but not dismiss it entirely, by any means.
The Twins are the competitive team most in need of starting pitching. They should have a really clear shot at the Central, but they need to fill between 300-400 innings, depending how much they wanna lean on Lewis Thorpe and the immortal Randy Dobnak. They’ve also got nothing even approaching a bad contract for us to take on in a Price trade, unless you count Marwin Gonzalez at 1/$10.5.
Best thing that could happen for Price’s trade market right now would be for Ryu to sign with Toronto or somewhere else inconsequential.
Best thing that could happen for Price’s trade market right now would be for Ryu to sign with Toronto or somewhere else inconsequential.
Whoever makes that investment better also invest in their training staff, a lifetime supply of Gorilla Glue and Bubble Wrap. Ryu loves the DL.
Price, 2017-19:
63 GS, 358 IP, 122 ERA+, 7.8 brWAR
Gonzalez, 2017-19:
81 GS, 459 IP, 124 ERA+, 10.5 brWAR
They're the same age to within a month, they had very similar 2019s (Gonzalez actually pitched a bit better, but not as much). Apparently there isn't a dollar amount for the Gonzalez deal yet, but whatever it is, the difference between that and Price's remaining contract will be a pretty good measure of how hard it will be to trade Price.
I had Payton pegged as the guy:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28324812/two-stolen-red-sox-world-series-rings-belonging-terry-francona-recovered
which one of these no-risk flyers will work out, if any?
View: https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1208070008489889794
View: https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1208070008489889794
Nick Longhi started out in the Sox system. I think he was traded for international slot money back in 2017 but I could be wrong. I thought if he could develop some power he'd might turn into a useful piece. He was always younger for the league and reached AA at 21 despite not being that impressive.
Andreoli is Daniel Bard's cousin, so that has to count for something.
Jett Bandy better be worth something. Other than Vas he's currently the only catcher on the spring 2020 roster.
Yeah, Price's track record is much longer but at this point they're both #2 or 3 starters, if healthy/performing.
They like the fact he keeps the ball in the park. So in theory if they give Mazza a good defense behind him then he'll be okay. In theory of course.
But taking the Mets left overs does really speak to the amount of money this team is willing to spend this year.
Sad, but true. This is the least excited I've been for an upcoming season in a long time. It's early, I know...
I think we're reading way more into a waiver wire grab than is warranted. Mazza is bullpen flotsam the likes of which we see every single year. He's just another arm they can shuttle back and forth from Pawtucket. If he performs well, that's a bonus.
If Andreoli, Longhi, and Mazza all stick, the Red Sox would have like 5 potential representatives of the Italian National baseball team on their roster.
Forbes released an analysis today putting the value of Fenway Sports Group at $6.6 billion. It's the third highest sports venture after Kroenke Sports and Jerry Jones.
Former Sox IF Ian Kinsler is retiring:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/ian-kinsler-to-retire.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/ian-kinsler-to-retire.html
Still owed money that they’re going to figure out. Sounds suspiciously like what a lot of chatter about another second basement here could do.
realistically with his injury issues price at best is worth 15M a year . he doesnt have a great reputation around the sport. Maybe Maddon might be willing to go a bit higher based on his familiarity with him but i cant be sure of that since maddon is a new hire. so the question is will John Henry eat 51M.
considering Price would need to be replaced after that, i sincerely doubt price is going anywhere. sadly that means Mookie is a goner
considering Price would need to be replaced after that, i sincerely doubt price is going anywhere. sadly that means Mookie is a goner
Can you show us your math for computing his worth?
And link some credible sources about his reputation around the sport?
sure 32x 3 =96
15x3= 45
so 96-45 =51
his reputation took a big hit with the eckersley fiasco, fans around the game see david as a headcase, and if we're honest we see him as less than reliable, in 2017 we wanted him gone too
if you disagree i leave it to you to find links from credible sources that his value is higher. you cant and you know it
