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from an ESPN article: "And, for what it's worth, Boston's projected win total only dipped a single game at Caesars Sportsbook -- from 87.5 to 86.5. "
That does seem a little odd - if you assume Mookie + Price will be ~8 WAR this year, can they cobble together ~7 WAR from Verdugo and the handful of other signings they wouldn't have made but for this trade? Seems kinda difficult - say Verdugo at ~2 WAR, someone like Holt at ~1.5 WAR, 5th starter TBD at ~1 WAR and that still only gets you only a little over half of the production Mookie and Price would have provided. Maybe Graterol provides major league value immediately and Verdugo improves more than expected but it seems like a stretch.
 

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You are aware this means simply nothing to the current ownership, right?
You don't know that. It's an inference based on their deciding they didn't want to pay Betts. HOLT would get a trifle of Betts' money and would help to mollify people like me. I can't believe I'm the only one. Plus, HOLT is very useful.
 

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Verdugo put up 3.1 bWAR in 106 games and 343 at-bats. If he plays every day and ends up with 150 games and ~600 ab, he could put up 4+ bWAR this year. That's pretty good for a guy who's making league minimum.
 

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That does seem a little odd - if you assume Mookie + Price will be ~8 WAR this year, can they cobble together ~7 WAR from Verdugo and the handful of other signings they wouldn't have made but for this trade? Seems kinda difficult - say Verdugo at ~2 WAR, someone like Holt at ~1.5 WAR, 5th starter TBD at ~1 WAR and that still only gets you only a little over half of the production Mookie and Price would have provided. Maybe Graterol provides major league value immediately and Verdugo improves more than expected but it seems like a stretch.
Lines should already have been hammered out to some extent - it's been known Mookie was gone for a while now, people should already have been betting the wins down prior to the official news.

World Series odds are less sharp, so they were impacted more by the zmog I need to bet on the Dodgers now crowd.
 

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Shouldn't some of this new found financial flexibility go to trying to sign Devers to a long term deal?
 

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The bench seems like it's shaping up to be

Plawecki (C)
Chavis (1B/2B)
RHH outfielder TK

Which leaves one spot (unless they go with 12 pitchers, in which case it's two spots). I gotta think Jonathan Arauz has first crack at it, since they lose him if he doesn't make the team. Then there's Tzu-Wei Lin, who, unlike Holt, can play CF. Marco Hernandez is still in the organization, too, along with CJ Chatham.

I guess they could bring back Holt just because they like him, but I don't think infield depth is at the top of our worry list. Ideally, your fourth bench spot would give you another outfield option in case Verdugo needs to take it easy because of his back. I know Holt can play corner OF in a pinch, but I'd be curious about guys like Brad Miller (who has a ton of position versatility), Domingo Santana, and Cameron Maybin.
Lin and Holt's CF experience is a very small sample size, with Holt playing a handful of games more at the position.
 

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I'm understanding of the situation. Would I prefer to have Mookie on my team in 2020 and beyond? Yes. To steal a popular line from a way back... "That's a clown question, bro". Mookie is one of the five best players in the league. He made the Red Sox better. He's going to make the Dodgers better. He'll make whatever team he's on in 2021 and beyond better.

But it's like ripping off a band-aid. To be done cleanly, it had to be done quickly. This is not the result of John Henry suddenly deciding "Well, I don't want to spend any more money on the Red Sox." The years leading up to this had so many inflection points.

There was so many times that the Sox could have faced the music and tried to set things up for a sustainable, successful future that were missed. For example, after the 2018 title, the Red Sox resigned Sale and Eovaldi for high value. The reason? There wasn't too much on the market, and Red Sox fans wouldn't accept stepping back after a season where they won the title. While Dombrowski's the one who did the move, Henry obviously had to sign off on it, and I'm betting that's a decision he's regretted bitterly.

I've seen some Red Sox fans say "The difference between the Sox offer and Mookie's demand was $120 million. The Red Sox are worth five billion. PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY". Again, I have some sympathy for that view. But let's look at the situation as it stood this off season.

If you pay Betts somewhere close to his 12/420 demand, you're not only adding 35 million a year in salary, but over the next three years, you're adding an extra $100 million in luxury tax payments and further crippling the farm system with Draft Pick Penalties. And to surround Betts with future players (because again, the farm system cupboard is pretty freaking bare without this trade, not ot mention any possible penalties if Cora is found to have brought the sign stealing system to the Sox) just keeps adding more and more and more and more. There has to be a point where even Billionaires can't countenance it.

In Verdugo and Graterol, we get two top 100 prospects. This season was already treading downhill, thanks to injury concerns, especially when it comes to lack of pitching that can survive a season. Oh yeah, and the Sox don't have a manager, thanks to the Astros (and Red Sox) sign stealing controversies. That's why the over/under on the Sox 2020 season only went down ONE WIN (from 87.5 to 86.5) after trading a top 10 MVP candidate and a still pretty good (if injury risky and way overpaid) pitcher.

It's not like John Henry hasn't had a record of bringing the Sox success. Four titles in fifteen years is something that just about any team in any sport would love to have. And being a fan of soccer, I have a somewhat similar situation to fall back on, and surprise it's a John Henry-owned team. Liverpool was forced to sell one of the best players in the world, Roberto Firmino, to Barcelona, and a lot of people wondered if Liverpool would just simply become just another selling team when the big clubs called. Now they have the largest lead in Premier League history, are the champions of Europe (and the World), and look to go from strength to strength.

Once it became clear that signing Mookie and keeping a championship-calibre team around him would require oh, say a spare half-billion or so (and that number would not go down, only UP), then it became time to face the music, take the medicine and try to set up something so that when we slide from the heights, we catch ourselves before it turns into a full fledged fall to the bottom, and start climbing back up.

It sucks. It really does. I mean, we're talking about a player that did THIS in a meaningless end-season game last year.

View: https://youtu.be/WQsd3QcLoIc?t=344


But there was really no good options here.

edit: and I'd still have John Henry as my owner over just about any other owner our there. Think of it this way, we could be the Mets clown car of ownership.
 
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They should definitely take a flier on Clay and Walker. Walker may agree to a minor-league deal since he's still rehabbing. If you can get a half of a year out of Clay, that would be found money. He could even be a guy you use as kind of an "opener," with the understanding that Velazquez or someone should be ready from the second inning on. But it's possible he's 100% cooked.
 

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Shouldn't some of this new found financial flexibility go to trying to sign Devers to a long term deal?
Now? No.

In a couple years? Sure, why not.

They've got him for a minimum of four years, the first of which (this season) will be at a salary of less than a million dollars. If I'm Bloom, I'm earmarking JD Martinez's salary allocation for Devers. By the time JD's deal expires (assuming no opt-out next winter), Devers should be in the $20M range anyway. Which is when you really want to get him locked up to a Bogaerts-style deal.
 

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It's not like John Henry hasn't had a record of bringing the Sox success. Four titles in fifteen years is something that just about any team in any sport would love to have. And being a fan of soccer, I have a somewhat similar situation to fall back on, and surprise it's a John Henry-owned team. Liverpool was forced to sell one of the best players in the world, Roberto Firmino, to Barcelona, and a lot of people wondered if Liverpool would just simply become just another selling team when the big clubs called. Now they have the largest lead in Premier League history, are the champions of Europe (and the World), and look to go from strength to strength.
Liverpool still has Firmino. It was Philippe Coutinho they sold to Barca for the equivalent of $144 million. But your point stands.
 

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Lineup
Verdugo(L) RF
Bogaerts(R) SS
Devers(L) 3B
Martinez(R) DH
Benintendi(L) LF
Moreland(L) 1B
Chavis(R) 2B
Vazquez(R) C
Bradley(L) CF
No way they bat this kid leadoff.

"Welcome to Boston, guy who will forever be referred to as the person living in Mookie's shadow, let's help you settle right in."
 

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No way they bat this kid leadoff.

"Welcome to Boston, guy who will forever be referred to as the person living in Mookie's shadow, let's help you settle right in."
I agree that that's a million tons of pressure to put on the guy. So...given that Benintendi was pretty bad in that spot last year, who would you bat leadoff? There don't really seem to be any good options.
 

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yeah, my mind blipped on Firminho/Coutinho. My bad.

In my defense, I have flu like symptoms. (No, i do NOT have Corona virus)
 

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Isn't the Benny leadoff stuff most likely small sample-size issues?


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Batting 1st 69 69 332 286 47 79 18 2 11 39 8 3 36 67 .276 .363 .469 .831 134 5 5 1 4 1 4 .321 109
Batting 2nd 212 208 960 852 134 239 56 8 22 113 25 3 93 171 .281 .351 .442 .794 377 14 4 4 7 1 4 .326 99
Batting 3rd 47 44 204 178 29 46 6 0 6 35 9 2 22 35 .258 .343 .393 .736 70 5 2 0 2 2 1 .288 86
Batting 4th 20 20 94 78 11 23 7 1 1 15 6 1 12 8 .295 .383 .449 .832 35 4 1 0 3 3 1 .306 110
Batting 5th 58 54 236 210 23 51 13 1 5 28 2 1 24 55 .243 .322 .386 .708 81 2 1 0 1 0 0 .305 78
Batting 6th 24 23 99 85 15 28 7 0 4 14 1 1 9 19 .329 .398 .553 .951 47 1 2 1 2 1 0 .375 138
Batting 7th 4 2 9 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 3 .167 .444 .167 .611 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .333 63
Batting 8th 9 5 23 18 1 3 0 0 0 2 1 0 5 7 .167 .348 .167 .514 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273 36
Batting 9th 28 24 95 85 15 28 11 1 2 13 0 0 6 18 .329 .372 .553 .925 47 0 1 1 2 0 0 .388 130


https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=beninan01&t=b&year=Career#all_lineu
 

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No way they bat this kid leadoff.

"Welcome to Boston, guy who will forever be referred to as the person living in Mookie's shadow, let's help you settle right in."
I mean there's not an ideal leadoff hitter on this team right now. You could do this I guess.

Benintendi LF
Devers 3B
Bogaerts SS
Martinez DH
Verdugo RF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF

or
Bogaerts SS
Verdugo RF
Devers 3B
Martinez DH
Benintendi LF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF
 

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It looks so nice until I click post & then the formatting gets all messed up :/
 

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Now? No.

In a couple years? Sure, why not.

They've got him for a minimum of four years, the first of which (this season) will be at a salary of less than a million dollars. If I'm Bloom, I'm earmarking JD Martinez's salary allocation for Devers. By the time JD's deal expires (assuming no opt-out next winter), Devers should be in the $20M range anyway. Which is when you really want to get him locked up to a Bogaerts-style deal.
Yeah, maybe a bit premature, so a more emotional suggestion than realistic.
 

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I dunno, the Braves paid Ronald Acuña Jr. 8 years/$100 million after 1 year of service time. I'm sure they're pretty thrilled about that right now.

When you have cap room it gives you a chance to explore buying out arbitration years in return for some cost control a couple years after arb control ends. A lot of it depends on how risk averse & happy the player is, though.
 

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Liverpool still has Firmino. It was Philippe Coutinho they sold to Barca for the equivalent of $144 million. But your point stands.
I do wonder how much the Liverpool experience is changing the FSG mentality with the Red Sox. Spreading the cash across the team, building a strong academy and finding value where others miss it are three tenants of the Liverpool renaissance. We just need our Klopp and a few Andy Robertson’s.
 

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It’s really the perfect time to sign Devers to a deal that buys out 2-3 FA years. This would enable us to have him until he’s 29 or 30, basically through his prime. This is also when he’s most likely to sign, since he’s far away from free agency.
 

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That does seem a little odd - if you assume Mookie + Price will be ~8 WAR this year, can they cobble together ~7 WAR from Verdugo and the handful of other signings they wouldn't have made but for this trade? Seems kinda difficult - say Verdugo at ~2 WAR, someone like Holt at ~1.5 WAR, 5th starter TBD at ~1 WAR and that still only gets you only a little over half of the production Mookie and Price would have provided. Maybe Graterol provides major league value immediately and Verdugo improves more than expected but it seems like a stretch.
Why is Verdugo at ~2 WAR? He did more than that in half a season a year ago, and he's young. If he's healthy, he should be a 4 WAR type player.
Shouldn't some of this new found financial flexibility go to trying to sign Devers to a long term deal?
Eduardo first IMO.
 

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I do wonder how much the Liverpool experience is changing the FSG mentality with the Red Sox. Spreading the cash across the team, building a strong academy and finding value where others miss it are three tenants of the Liverpool renaissance. We just need our Klopp and a few Andy Robertson’s.
Yup, Bloom's job to find those people. It's the way basically all sports except basketball are trending.
 

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You don't know that. It's an inference based on their deciding they didn't want to pay Betts. HOLT would get a trifle of Betts' money and would help to mollify people like me. I can't believe I'm the only one. Plus, HOLT is very useful.
Do you really believe John Henry is making deals based on whether or not fans like players? The exact reason they make a move like trading Betts is that they don't give two shits about what fans think. It's business, not personal, which is why Henry has more money than most of us could ever dream to have.

And, for me, watching Brock Holt hug J.D. Martinez after he hits a home run won't, for even a brief moment, mollify the fact this ownership completely botched the opportunity to keep one of the best homegrown talents this organization has seen in several decades.
 

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Now? No.

In a couple years? Sure, why not.

They've got him for a minimum of four years, the first of which (this season) will be at a salary of less than a million dollars. If I'm Bloom, I'm earmarking JD Martinez's salary allocation for Devers. By the time JD's deal expires (assuming no opt-out next winter), Devers should be in the $20M range anyway. Which is when you really want to get him locked up to a Bogaerts-style deal.
Actually, now is the PERFECT time to do a Devers extension. Why? Because you can smooth out the AAV hit while you have room under this year's threshold.

The Acuna contract, for example, is 8/100 -- he's only actually GETTING $1m in 2019, with the annual salary going up to $17m once you're in his free agency years, but the average value, and thus the amount counted towards the luxury tax threshold, is the same each year: $12.5m.

In other words, doing a Devers extension now allows us to use some of this year's cap room to make his cap hit in later years less. It's a perfect use of the space. Same goes for Rodriguez, by the way, and Benintendi if they think he's worth locking up.
 

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Actually, now is the PERFECT time to do a Devers extension. Why? Because you can smooth out the AAV hit while you have room under this year's threshold.

The Acuna contract, for example, is 8/100 -- he's only actually GETTING $1m in 2019, with the annual salary going up to $17m once you're in his free agency years, but the average value, and thus the amount counted towards the luxury tax threshold, is the same each year: $12.5m.

In other words, doing a Devers extension now allows us to use some of this year's cap room to make his cap hit in later years less. It's a perfect use of the space. Same goes for Rodriguez, by the way, and Benintendi if they think he's worth locking up.
Devers cap hit currently is under a million dollars. If they extend him now, it's not likely to be as cheap as the Acuna deal, but even if it was exactly that, that would burn $11.5M of that $20M cap space they just got themselves. Then they should try to lock up ERod and Benintendi in a similar fashion and burn more of that cap space? While they also have a starting pitcher to replace at the very least, and probably want to keep some powder dry for mid-season moves (injury replacements, adding pieces if they're in contention, etc)? Sorry, not buying it as a good idea.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
I mean there's not an ideal leadoff hitter on this team right now. You could do this I guess.

Benintendi LF
Devers 3B
Bogaerts SS
Martinez DH
Verdugo RF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF

or
Bogaerts SS
Verdugo RF
Devers 3B
Martinez DH
Benintendi LF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF
I would go with your first one, except with Bogaerts/Devers flipped for L/R alternation:

Benintendi LF
Bogaerts SS
Devers 3B
Martinez DH
Verdugo RF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF

That's a pretty respectable lineup there, especially if Chavis progresses in year 2. A little topheavy, but respectable.
 

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I would go with your first one, except with Bogaerts/Devers flipped for L/R alternation:

Benintendi LF
Bogaerts SS
Devers 3B
Martinez DH
Verdugo RF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF

That's a pretty respectable lineup there, especially if Chavis progresses in year 2. A little topheavy, but respectable.
Barring a catastrophe, even without Mookie, this team is going to score a lot of runs. That's not really going to be the issue.
 

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Do you really believe John Henry is making deals based on whether or not fans like players? The exact reason they make a move like trading Betts is that they don't give two shits about what fans think. It's business, not personal, which is why Henry has more money than most of us could ever dream to have.

And, for me, watching Brock Holt hug J.D. Martinez after he hits a home run won't, for even a brief moment, mollify the fact this ownership completely botched the opportunity to keep one of the best homegrown talents this organization has seen in several decades.
Ok, you misunderstood me. I accept the trade of Betts because I understand the benefits of getting under the tax limit. That being done for this year, they at least have the option of making an offer to him next year.
Now, quite separately, BROCKHOLT is both cheap and brings a lot of hustle and warmth to the team. That would be welcome to me.
 

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I mean there's not an ideal leadoff hitter on this team right now. You could do this I guess.

Benintendi LF
Devers 3B
Bogaerts SS
Martinez DH
Verdugo RF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF

or
Bogaerts SS
Verdugo RF
Devers 3B
Martinez DH
Benintendi LF
Chavis 2B
Moreland 1B
Vazquez C
Bradley CF
I think that first lineup is pretty sexy.
Let the games begin.
 

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Ok, you misunderstood me. I accept the trade of Betts because I understand the benefits of getting under the tax limit. That being done for this year, they at least have the option of making an offer to him next year.
Now, quite separately, BROCKHOLT is both cheap and brings a lot of hustle and warmth to the team. That would be welcome to me.
Holt is also reportedly very popular in the clubhouse and does really great work in the community. Management isn’t going to pay $400 million dollars to mollify the fans, but a few million for all that Holt brings? I’d say more likely than not at this point.
 

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That does seem a little odd - if you assume Mookie + Price will be ~8 WAR this year, can they cobble together ~7 WAR from Verdugo and the handful of other signings they wouldn't have made but for this trade? Seems kinda difficult - say Verdugo at ~2 WAR, someone like Holt at ~1.5 WAR, 5th starter TBD at ~1 WAR and that still only gets you only a little over half of the production Mookie and Price would have provided. Maybe Graterol provides major league value immediately and Verdugo improves more than expected but it seems like a stretch.
if Graterol’s future is as a reliever, then his results from last September and October suggest he’s basically ready now, right? Send him down until late May to keep the year of control and manage his workload, then bring him up and use him as an additional high leverage arm.


I think that first lineup is pretty sexy.
Let the games begin.
That lineup is sexy compared to whose? There’s a lot of good lineups out there.

Otani, Trout, Rendon, Peterson
LeMehieu, Judge, Stanton, Torres, Sanchez,
Biggio, Bichette, Guerrero, Gueriel,
Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bergman,
Twins bring everybody back and add Donaldson
Rays rookie sluggers are a year more seasoned
 
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Does JD have a no-trade clause? Why is dumping his salary not an option for getting below the luxury tax limit?

Is it simply the notion that it's valuable to have JD for 3 years when Mookie might leave after 1?

Or that it would be hard to get value for him in trade as a DH-type?

I'm just an unfrozen caveman, but if the Sox really need to sacrifice the season to get below the tax line, I'd rather dump JD and take my chances resigning Mookie. If Mookie's price gets beyond where management wants to go, then you're rebooting anyway. No need for a 30-something DH making $25m for the next two years.
 

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Does JD have a no-trade clause? Why is dumping his salary not an option for getting below the luxury tax limit?
What team do you think might want him and his 3/63 deal as a DH at this point in the offseason? Keep in mind that he and his agent determined it didn't make sense for him to opt out, so that even when teams had more money to spend earlier in the winter, they seemingly didn't think they could beat that on the open market. I think the problem is that BOS would likely have to take on some money (maybe pay it down to 3/45) and then they would be on the hook for $6M dead money in both 2021 and 2022, whereas if you just keep him and he opts out, that dead money goes away.

Also the option really confuses things, you're asking a team to take on a 1/24 deal with an additional 2/39 after that if the season goes badly for JDM. Combine all of that and I think you have your answer, but if BOS is out of it and JDM is having another great season, he can likely be moved mid-season as a rental who will opt out (also that would be better for him as the acquiring team couldn't give him a QO).
 

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What team do you think might want him and his 3/63 deal as a DH at this point in the offseason? Keep in mind that he and his agent determined it didn't make sense for him to opt out, so that even when teams had more money to spend earlier in the winter, they seemingly didn't think they could beat that on the open market. I think the problem is that BOS would likely have to take on some money (maybe pay it down to 3/45) and then they would be on the hook for $6M dead money in both 2021 and 2022, whereas if you just keep him and he opts out, that dead money goes away.

Also the option really confuses things, you're asking a team to take on a 1/24 deal with an additional 2/39 after that if the season goes badly for JDM. Combine all of that and I think you have your answer, but if BOS is out of it and JDM is having another great season, he can likely be moved mid-season as a rental who will opt out (also that would be better for him as the acquiring team couldn't give him a QO).
The other option is they like JD and want to keep him. They have the flexibility now to restructure his deal and just lock in the three years.
 

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What team do you think might want him and his 3/63 deal as a DH at this point in the offseason? Keep in mind that he and his agent determined it didn't make sense for him to opt out, so that even when teams had more money to spend earlier in the winter, they seemingly didn't think they could beat that on the open market. I think the problem is that BOS would likely have to take on some money (maybe pay it down to 3/45) and then they would be on the hook for $6M dead money in both 2021 and 2022, whereas if you just keep him and he opts out, that dead money goes away.

Also the option really confuses things, you're asking a team to take on a 1/24 deal with an additional 2/39 after that if the season goes badly for JDM. Combine all of that and I think you have your answer, but if BOS is out of it and JDM is having another great season, he can likely be moved mid-season as a rental who will opt out (also that would be better for him as the acquiring team couldn't give him a QO).
I first thought White Sox but looked it up and saw that they signed Encarnacion. And with no Mookie, they need JD's bat more than what they'd likely get back.
 

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Does JD have a no-trade clause? Why is dumping his salary not an option for getting below the luxury tax limit?
Yes, JDM has a limited no-trade clause:
Martinez holds a limited no-trade clause that on its surface wouldn't seem to provide much protection. He can designate three teams at the start of each offseason, and those teams can change from year to year. He must inform the Red Sox by the end of this month.
NBC Sports Boston - How J.D. Martinez could turn a 3-team no-trade clause into a virtual guarantee he stays with Red Sox (from November)
 

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I think that first lineup is pretty sexy.
Let the games begin.
I see a bunch of question marks after the first four batters. Verdugo and Chavis I think are still works in progress hitting 5th and 6th, Mitchy needs to keep healthy, can Vaz retain what he seemed to have found last season and JBJ is what he is. There may be a bit of hope there, but for me it's far from sexy.
 

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I see a bunch of question marks after the first four batters. Verdugo and Chavis I think are still works in progress hitting 5th and 6th, Mitchy needs to keep healthy, can Vaz retain what he seemed to have found last season and JBJ is what he is. There may be a bit of hope there, but for me it's far from sexy.
That's why there is someone for everyone.