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That is a shocking deal for Strasburg. Holy shit. 2 years older than Cole. Way more injury prone.
He is SO valuable to the organization though. And has been for a long time. I am sure he is worth the money to the Nats.

Huge for the Nats to be able to retain him. Keeps them a viable World Series contender for the next few years.
 

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Wow. So at this point it’s basically a certainty that Cole will break $300M.
 

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He is SO valuable to the organization though. And has been for a long time. I am sure he is worth the money to the Nats.

Huge for the Nats to be able to retain him. Keeps them a viable World Series contender for the next few years.
I agree. I think he was worth more to the Nats than he would have been to any other team. They don't only sign Strasburg, they don't LOSE him. They keep their big three intact for a couple more seasons.
 

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I agree. I think he was worth more to the Nats than he would have been to any other team. They don't only sign Strasburg, they don't LOSE him. They keep their big three intact for a couple more seasons.
Yeah I was actually at Nats Park on Saturday night at this Christmas light maze that took place on the field called Enchant DC (it was a ton of fun). And I was looking around the stadium and there were huge images of him up on the wall, and there were selling Strasburg jerseys next to their holiday ticket package booth. Made me feel like he wasn't going anywhere.

I think they make a big push for Rendon too.
 

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Details trickling in, per a person with knowledge of the deal: There are deferrals with Stephen Strasburg's contract. He has a full no-trade clause, no opts out and no options on the end. He will be 38 when the deal finishes out.




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Even with deferrals, the CBT hit is the AAV of the contract. So Stephen Strasburg's deal will cost the Nationals' $35 million on that front in 2020. Mark Lerner said it was either Strasburg or Anthony Rendon. The budget just got pretty tight if they want to stay under CBT.
 

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Yeah I was actually at Nats Park on Saturday night at this Christmas light maze that took place on the field called Enchant DC (it was a ton of fun). And I was looking around the stadium and there were huge images of him up on the wall, and there were selling Strasburg jerseys next to their holiday ticket package booth. Made me feel like he wasn't going anywhere.

I think they make a big push for Rendon too.
I'm not sure they have young players coming up that are going to need t be paid.
 

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Strasburg's deal helps Cole, I agree. More importantly for us, though, it has to make Price's contract more attractive to a trade partner. Not that they'll pay full freight, but what we have to throw in (money/players) will, hopefully, decrease. 7 years for any pitcher, especially one with an extensive injury history is nuts and I'm a huge fan of Strasburg.
 

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Strasburg's deal helps Cole, I agree. More importantly for us, though, it has to make Price's contract more attractive to a trade partner. Not that they'll pay full freight, but what we have to throw in (money/players) will, hopefully, decrease. 7 years for any pitcher, especially one with an extensive injury history is nuts and I'm a huge fan of Strasburg.
Gotta agree that Price at 3/$96M doesn't seem quite as crazy.
 

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Yeah I was actually at Nats Park on Saturday night at this Christmas light maze that took place on the field called Enchant DC (it was a ton of fun). And I was looking around the stadium and there were huge images of him up on the wall, and there were selling Strasburg jerseys next to their holiday ticket package booth. Made me feel like he wasn't going anywhere.

I think they make a big push for Rendon too.
Cool. I wanted to go, but forecasted rain (didn’t arrive ’til late in PM) and prices for last minute tickets kept me away. Bah humbug!
 

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yea that means they probably move kieboom over to 3b and run with him next season.
 

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yea that means they probably move kieboom over to 3b and run with him next season.
Who plays second? I don’t think they can count on Kendrick for 162.

As for the broader question, it remains to be seen whether the comments about not being able to afford both Rendon and Strasburg were just negotiating tactics or real statements of intention. The bottom line is that the combined 2019 salaries of Strasburg, Rendon and Zimmerman were around $74 million. They should be able to sign Rendon (and Zimmerman) and stay within that same total salary for all three.
 

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I don't even know how to feel yet if the Yankees sign someone for a $300m contract. Someone tell me how to feel.
As a fan you should feel very happy. Because while very few players remain productive for the life of contracts like that, they are the only way to take advantage of the Yankees' massive revenue advantage.
 

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they are the only way to take advantage of the Yankees' massive revenue advantage.
This is a major misunderstanding of the current game, IMO. In recent years, NY has poured more and more money into strengthening their operations behind the scenes, as this is the real way to take advantage of their revenues, without being punished by the CBA. I just read some specifics on this recently and will post again if I remember where.
 

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I don't even know how to feel yet if the Yankees sign someone for a $300m contract. Someone tell me how to feel.
I still don't think it will be quite $300M, but I guess it depends how crazy Moreno is. The Angels IMO would be way better off signing both Bumgarner and Ryu for less combined than Cole will get, but sanity does not always prevail in these situations.
 

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The top 15 MLB contracts of all time as of today:

1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30)
2. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31)
3. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27)
4. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28)
5. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17)
6. Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26)
7. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
8. Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23)
9. Stephen Strasburg $245,000,000 (2020-26)
10. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21)
… Robinson Cano, $240,000,000 (2014-23)
12. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23)
13. David Price, $217,000,000 (2016-22)
14. Clayton Kershaw, $215,000,000 (2014-20)
15. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20)

How many of those do you think the signing team will end up happy with?
 

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The top 15 MLB contracts of all time as of today:

1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30)
2. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31)
3. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27)
4. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28)
5. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17)
6. Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26)
7. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
8. Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23)
9. Stephen Strasburg $245,000,000 (2020-26)
10. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21)
… Robinson Cano, $240,000,000 (2014-23)
12. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23)
13. David Price, $217,000,000 (2016-22)
14. Clayton Kershaw, $215,000,000 (2014-20)
15. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20)

How many of those would the teams do again if they had the choice?
And if they didn't, what else would they have done with the revenue? Sink 240 million into operations? Minus some relatively small amount they would spend there, the basic choices for the most part are 1) go with a lower payroll, or 2) spend on a different, but equally risky, set of free agents. If the Red Sox could make David Price's deal disappear, yay, they could pay someone else on a deal that would look bad in 4 years.

It's the cost of doing business.
 

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And if they didn't, what else would they have done with the revenue? Sink 240 million into operations? Minus some relatively small amount they would spend there, the basic choices for the most part are 1) go with a lower payroll, or 2) spend on a different, but equally risky, set of free agents. If the Red Sox could make David Price's deal disappear, yay, they could pay someone else on a deal that would look bad in 4 years.

It's the cost of doing business.
I think that's mostly right, but 1) I think you underestimate how much money can be poured into non-payroll spending and 2) the roster flexibility you lose with a big salary guy who can't be optioned. The Angels and Tigers can't do anything with Pujols and Cabrera currently except play them or release them, and since they don't want to take the PR hits for the latter, they can't try out other players in those spots and maybe stumble onto a cheap gem. Chris Davis is another one, dunno why more teams don't just bite the bullet and release these guys.
 

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As Jon listed above, you already have one guy with a $300m contract,
Not really though, his AAV is $22M for NY, so his remaining deal is 8/176, 10/220 from the time they traded for him.
 

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Not really though, his AAV is $22M for NY, so his remaining deal is 8/176, 10/220 from the time they traded for him.
Everybody thought Jeter did the Yankees a big favor trading him to NY. In the long run It might turn out that the deal favors Jeter's team a lot more.
 

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Everybody thought Jeter did the Yankees a big favor trading him to NY. In the long run It might turn out that the deal favors Jeter's team a lot more.
I think there is a decent chance of this, but even with the lost season and fear of future injury, I still like Stanton quite a bit at 22m per.
 

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I'm all for it too but a nine year deal is going to suck at some point. If they can keep unearthing cheap good players like Voit and Urshela and Tauchman though, it makes it a lot easier to stomach.
 

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i really dont see how that makes sense for the Angels. For the Yankees, it makes yall the favorite to win it all next year and even the next few years. The Angels might as well dive headfirst into the secondary market and hope Ohtani becomes an ace. Get Bumgarner on a 5 year deal and try to get Keuchel maybe. That team is not one ace away from a WS team. They need ptching depth
 
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jon abbey

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i really dont see how that makes sense for the Angels. For the Yankees, it makes yall the favorite to win it all next year and even the next few years. The Angels might as well dive headfirst into the secondary market and hope Ohtani becomes an ace. Get Bumgarner on a 5 year deal and try to get Keuchel maybe. That team is not once ace away from a WS team. They need ptching depth
That's what I was saying, they have so many holes. Sign Bumgarner and Ryu for less combined than Cole, you could even probably sign Keuchel too for that money.