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I still think there is a deal built around Gleyber (5 years of control) plus a few other valuable prospects for Lindor (2 years of control) and Clevinger (3 years of control) that makes sense for both teams, but neither team will pull the trigger.

The Angels are kind of screwed because they don't really have the prospects to trade for good SPs, they're not moving Adell for anyone. They are going to have to shop in the "taking on salary" dept. of Happ and Price and whoever else and hope that works out.
 
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Trading Clevinger wouldn't be the move of a cheap owner, it would be the move of a completely self-destructive one. He's a top-of-the-rotation starter who will make about $4.5M next season, and because he's sort of a late bloomer, he won't hit free agency until after his age 32 season. It's quite likely Cleveland can afford to keep him for his entire career if they so choose. Unless another GM offers the sort of package that should immediately get himself fired, Clevinger should be off the table. Cleveland has a rotation that can still compete in the AL Central without Kluber. They don't have one that can compete without Kluber and Clevinger, so trading him would just put them in a perpetual rebuild.
 
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Trading Clevinger wouldn't be the move of a cheap owner, it would be the move of a completely self-destructive one. He's a top-of-the-rotation starter who will make about $4.5M next season, and because he's sort of a late bloomer, he won't hit free agency until after his age 32 season. It's quite likely Cleveland can afford to keep him for his entire career if they so choose. Unless another GM offers the sort of package that should immediately get himself fired, Clevinger should be off the table. Cleveland has a rotation that can still compete in the AL Central without Kluber. They don't have one that can compete without Kluber and Clevinger, so trading him would just put them in a perpetual rebuild.
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Couldn't it be seen as a bet on their own pitching development team, that they can continue to produce more good SPs as they have done in recent years? Trade Clevinger for a good package while he still has three years of control and build the next Clevinger.
 
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jon abbey said:
Couldn't it be seen as a bet on their own pitching development team, that they can continue to produce more good SPs as they have done in recent years? Trade Clevinger for a good package while he still has three years of control and build the next Clevinger.
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That would be a terrible gamble. The Tribe is as good as anyone at developing pitchers to get the most out of them, but I think Kluber and Bieber are the only ones who actually transformed beyond what was previously seen as their ceiling. Aaron Civale might take another step forward, but Zach Plesac and Adam Plutko are never going to be guys who lead the way to a pennant, and the odds that a Logan Allen or Scott Moss is going to step in and be a front-end starter next year are slim to none. The one guy in the upper minors who has that sort of ceiling is Triston McKenzie, but he can't even get on the diamond... even if he gets healthy, it will be a couple of years before he's eating innings. They can't decide to try competing one more year with Lindor and then trade other top players on the team.

If they would decide to still trade Lindor, it still makes more sense to then trade Hand, Santana and Ramirez before Clevinger and just lose 100 games for a few years. It would also make Paul Dolan almost as hated as Jimmy Haslam ("almost" because Clevelanders will sadly never care as much about the Indians as they do about that pathetic football franchise).
 
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I am happy he ended up with the Nats, should be an improvement on Matt Adams. But at $3 million I’m really depressed that the Red Sox weren’t in on him. Would rather have Thames at 1B and Chavis at 2B than Chavis at 1B and Peraza at 2B. Bummer. They really are cheaping out this year if they’re not willing to meet that price to fill a gaping hole. Of course, maybe they still prefer Moreland, and are assuming that he will end up resigning for something similar. I hope so.
 
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People love to congratulate teams for pretty much any offseason acquisitions, and I like what the White Sox have done this winter in conjunction with their young talented core, but let's hold off a bit on the kudos. The Keuchel, Grandal and Abreu deals all could look ugly well before the end, Mazara could continue to be a dud, etc. Last year the Angels spent $35M on one year signings (Harvey, Cahill, a few others) and got a whopping -0.3 WAR from them combined.
 
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People love to congratulate teams for pretty much any offseason acquisitions, and I like what the White Sox have done this winter in conjunction with their young talented core, but let's hold off a bit on the kudos. The Keuchel, Grandal and Abreu deals all could look ugly well before the end, Mazara could continue to be a dud, etc. Last year the Angels spent $35M on one year signings (Harvey, Cahill, a few others) and got a whopping -0.3 WAR from them combined.
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Yeah, while things can always go wrong, they filled out their rosters will quality pieces (to go with their young core), for the cost of one "superstar." The did get a big name star like Machado, but they have filled a lot of holes for around the cost of just one guy. Teams can construct rosters in all sorts of ways, and I like what they are doing rather than placing all their eggs in one basket.
 
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Those aren't the only two choices is my point, and just because they spread out the risk doesn't necessarily mean they did better as I tried to point out above with the Angels last winter.
 
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Those aren't the only two choices is my point, and just because they spread out the risk doesn't necessarily mean they did better as I tried to point out above with the Angels last winter.
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But the guys Chicago are adding to their roster are much less of a lottery ticket than Matt Harvey. Even Nomar Mazara.
 
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Seeing this article on Vince Carter who just played in his fourth decade. 29 in baseball have played in four decades. I took a look to see if any more players could be added in 2020. It looks like Bartolo Colon is the last hope:
According to MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez, 46-year-old right-hander Bartolo Colon "still wants to pitch." Given his age and the fact that he didn't appear at any level of professional baseball in 2019, Colon might struggle to even get minor league offers. He had a 5.78 ERA in 146 1/3 innings with the Rangers in 2018. link
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Is there anyone else?
 
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Colon could reinvent himself as DH.
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I wrote this way back regarding Colon with the bat, in honor of him hurting himself swinging to end his Sox tenure.

His cuts were Ruthian in every way, right down to the trailing gut fat. They were so mammoth that they tore his body asunder from the inside. Colon’s swings were just too awesome for his own body to handle.
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Liberatore is the #41 prospect in MLB according to mlb.com, this should be interesting. I'm guessing Jose Martinez, who should be a DH, will be involved.
 
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Hard to believe Martinez alone could fetch Liberatore -- wonder if Tommy Edman, who seems like a Rays sort of guy, might be going, too.
 
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I was just about to respond to abbey in the Rays thread, saying they weren’t done yet and there would be another bat or two getting added to the lineup......too slow on the draw.....
 
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Is the idea that the Cards would flip Liberatore as part of a package for Arenado? Seeing some speculative chatter on that and it could make sense. The Rockies would certainly need high level pitching in return.
 
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Or STL could be opening an OF spot for Ozuna, Heyman is speculating about that now. Or both, I guess...
 
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The only draft picks that can be traded are the ‘competitive balance’ ones, STL’s is about 30 picks higher than TB’s, so that is probably two of the five unnamed pieces.
 
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Kiermaier and Bader seem overlapping, both of them are defense-first CFs.
 
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Bader much cheaper
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Right, I was going to include that, but I just meant positionally, both of those guys need to play CF to have value, so if Kiermaier is going to STL, I think Bader is going back to TB.
 
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Right, I was going to include that, but I just meant positionally, both of those guys need to play CF to have value, so if Kiermaier is going to STL, I think Bader is going back to TB.
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Yep. Agreed. Gorman fits well as final piece in that scenario. Carlson would be a HR for Rays.
 
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Hmm, not sure why TB would do that unless they really love Arozarena (who will be 25 by Opening Day).
 
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For STL, that opens up their OF a bit and they can re-sign Ozuna now if that's what they want to do.
 
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the Rays are getting the better of the balance picks. that cancels out... what part of the deal? Liberatore for Martinez or the two low-end prospects?
 
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Arozarena isn't a nobody, he had great numbers last year in AAA, but STL needed to thin out their OF. Liberatore is the most valuable of the six assets moved, so the draft pick flip helps to balance that.
 
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"The catcher going from the #Rays to the #STLCards is Edgardo Rodriguez, 19, who spent last season in the rookie-level Gulf Coast League."
 
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