2019 Chargers: Home Alone

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The other thing that is weird is the space between the sidelines and the stands. Not sure what they can do there, however.
Looks like they chose one side over the other rather than centering the field over the wider soccer footprint.

EDIT: No, it doesn't.
 
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Opening of the Rams/Chargers stadium delayed until 2020 season (had been targeting 2019 previously), due to rain:

Uncommon, heavy rainfall in Los Angeles has delayed the highly anticipated, $2.6 billion stadium in Inglewood, California, by a year.

The new facility, to be shared by the Los Angeles Rams and Chargers, will now open in 2020 instead of 2019, both teams announced Thursday. In the meantime, the Rams will play at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum for an additional year and the Chargers will have one more season at StubHub Center in Carson, California.
Two NFL executives estimated to ESPN that the Rams will lose at least $80 million in future revenue by moving into their new stadium in 2020 instead of 2019, including more than $40 million less in both sponsorship and ticket sales.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19410632/the-new-stadium-chargers-rams-los-angeles-delayed-1-year-2020
 

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The idea that they couldn't deal with more rain than usual seems absolutely ridiculous. "Oh my god! There were puddles 15 feet deep on parts of the construction site!" Then get some pumps for christ's sake. "This puts us a couple months back, so we have to delay a year!" They were going to work around the clock from now till 2019 so they couldn't put on more shifts and catch up? Really? Maybe it's true but I'm skeptical. A difference of $80 million, cited above, will pay for a good bit of overtime.
 

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I don't know much about large-scale construction projects like this, but the rain we got this winter was pretty crazy. It rained more this winter than in all 12 of the other winters we've been here combined. It was definitely a huge anomaly, so I'm not totally surprised it wreaked havoc on things.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/holderstephen/status/1183738500153262080?s=21


Last night continued a disturbing trend where visiting fans are overwhelmingly represented in the crowd at Stubhub. They are reportedly having real trouble selling season tickets to the new stadium in Inglewood. There was even a rumor that the NFL is exploring moving the franchise to St. Louis.

What happens when there are tens of thousands of empty seats at the new stadium next year?
 

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St. Louis Chargers? lol.

I definitely noticed it last night, but it is the Steelers. let's see what happens next year when the Pats visit both LA teams
 

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they can get out of it by having Spanos sell to a local San Diego owner who brings them back to SD. Instant solution.

That said, moving a team is a 5-10 year play. You expect it to be showing bad results in year 2.
 

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Chargers are also very lucky Pete Carroll is no longer at USC. That's usually the #1 "pro" team in Socal.

Chargers/Rams need to hope the Pats visit in consecutive weeks.
 

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Wouldn't be a surprise if Rivers packs it in after this season. He's already said how difficult the commute is, he's clearly frustrated with the team performance, and those kids aren't getting younger
 

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Wouldn't be a surprise if Rivers packs it in after this season. He's already said how difficult the commute is, he's clearly frustrated with the team performance, and those kids aren't getting younger
Can this planet’s resources accommodate a Rivers that has more time to procreate?
 

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Wouldn't be a surprise if Rivers packs it in after this season. He's already said how difficult the commute is, he's clearly frustrated with the team performance, and those kids aren't getting younger
Plus he isn't getting out of the AFC with Brady, Mahomes and Watson ahead of him.
 

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they can get out of it by having Spanos sell to a local San Diego owner who brings them back to SD. Instant solution.

That said, moving a team is a 5-10 year play. You expect it to be showing bad results in year 2.
Is it? It is probably fairly difficult to build a new following in a new market, but the Chargers deal is a different animal. They came in clearly as LA's "B" team and play in a soccer stadium in Carson, and abandoned what had been a successful market to play second fiddle to another team that was moving (back) to the area. I find it hard to believe they would have such a problem selling season tickets to a new market that didn't already have an NFL team (or in San Diego). The Raiders have already sold most of their seat licenses for their first season in Las Vegas: https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/stadium/raiders-seat-licenses-for-allegiant-stadium-nearly-sold-out-1863726/

The Chargers moving to LA was a bad thing for the league. They left a market where they had a lot of history to be relatively useless in LA and play in front of 25,000 fans of the other team. It is unfortunate because from a football perspective, over the last 10-15 years the Chargers have been a very competent franchise that has played attractive football featuring star players; they are not the Browns or the Jets or a team that hasn't been able to get out of its own way. Rivers and Co. deserve better.
 

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San Diego residents rejected (rightfully) tax increases to fund a new stadium for the Chargers. So, from the owners' standpoint, San Diego is dead to them, as the whiny billionaires feel that the locals should be more than willing to kowtow to their wishes. Fans in San Diego have already moved on. While they would be more than happy to have the team back, there is still zero chance of the voters approving a publicly funded stadium for the team.
 

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Wouldn't be a surprise if Rivers packs it in after this season. He's already said how difficult the commute is, he's clearly frustrated with the team performance, and those kids aren't getting younger
Eh, he and the wife can always pop out a few more kids.
 

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That would be amazing. I can't believe the NFL would actually do that...would they?
It's possible. They are due to play the Rams and Chargers on the road next year due to due the normal schedule rotation.
 

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28117460/inside-rams-chargers-marriage-nfl-fights-los-angeles

Another long ESPN deep dive about the Chargers struggles after moving to LA. The most interesting bits:

-Jerry Jones’ company is building SoFi Stadium and costs may reach 6 billion versus the initial projection of 2.4 billion

-The league is very worried about the ongoing lawsuit by St. Louis against the Rams and the NFL, as they’ve lost on almost every level and the city is seeking billions in damages. The legal costs alone are in the tens of millions.

-A league commissioned study showed that there is almost no market for Chargers season tickets in LA, which prompted the team to cut ticket prices. In turn, this pissed off the Rams leadership because they feel it hurt their already struggling PSL sales.

-The Raiders have already sold double their projected PSLs in Las Vegas and a significant portion have come from LA residents.
 
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28117460/inside-rams-chargers-marriage-nfl-fights-los-angeles?platform=amp#click=[URL]https://t.co/FwR50JNfTH[/URL]

Another long ESPN deep dive about the Chargers struggles after moving to LA. The most interesting bits:

-Jerry Jones’ company is building SoFi Stadium and costs may reach 6 billion versus the initial projection of 2.4 billion

-The league is very worried about the ongoing lawsuit by St. Louis against the Rams and the NFL, as they’ve lost on almost every level and the city is seeking billions in damages. The legal costs alone are in the tens of millions.

-A league commissioned study showed that there is almost no market for Chargers season tickets in LA, which prompted the team to cut ticket prices. In turn, this pissed off the Rams leadership because they feel it hurt their already struggling PSL sales.

-The Raiders have already sold double their projected PSLs in Las Vegas and a significant portion have come from LA residents.
GJGE NFL.

Also WRT to the bolded... maybe the league shouldn't have dropped tens of millions on DFG. Might have come in handy for more useful legal bills.
 

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Is moving them back to SD and selling them to someone who the San Diegoans do not despise, unlike the Spanosi, an option?

Maybe replace the tenancy with UCLA? (Stadium would be closer to campus than Pasadena).
 

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Is moving them back to SD and selling them to someone who the San Diegoans do not despise, unlike the Spanosi, an option?
I suppose it's possible (although the Spanos family doesn't want to sell), but they are building that stadium with the intention of it being a two-team facility.
 

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Is moving them back to SD and selling them to someone who the San Diegoans do not despise, unlike the Spanosi, an option?

Maybe replace the tenancy with UCLA? (Stadium would be closer to campus than Pasadena).
It should be. Never should have moved them.
 

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-The Raiders have already sold double their projected PSLs in Las Vegas and a significant portion have come from LA residents.
I enjoy this way more than I should as a Patriots fan.

It should be. Never should have moved them.
Could say the same about the SuperSonics, but at least OKC embraced them. Usually hard to predict these things ex-ante.
 

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Could say the same about the SuperSonics, but at least OKC embraced them. Usually hard to predict these things ex-ante.
OKC also had the advantage of a multi-year dry run with the Hornets playing there while displaced from New Orleans by Katrina.

Anyways, I wonder if we’ll get an estimate of the final dollar amount Jerry Jones is profiting from those cost overruns when it’s his building company handling the stadium. I get a very Clay Davis/Andy Krawczyk running a scam on Stringer Bell vibe from this.