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Kenny F'ing Powers

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If they cared about him, they’d let him go ASAP so that he can try for some of these other opportunities.
Seems like just setting the organization up for some unnecessary criticism (if that's a thing for the Cowboys).

His contract expires in a few weeks. If they've told him that he wont be returning, then they don't need to "fire" him. He saves face - he wasn't fired, his contract expired - and he can still interview over the next few weeks for a new gig. Feels like they're doing good by Garret by going about it this way.
 

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I think that's not realistic. If they had said on Monday "we thank Jason for his great work, and recognize he has many other opportunities to explore" that would be doing him a favor by not 'firing him' and waiting for his contract to expire.

Having a bunch of meetings this week that, if anything, complicate him looking at other things in no way is a favor to him. There is no person who follows football at all closely that will rationally distinguish between what they did and firing him with a week left on his deal anyway.
 

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I think that's not realistic. If they had said on Monday "we thank Jason for his great work, and recognize he has many other opportunities to explore" that would be doing him a favor by not 'firing him' and waiting for his contract to expire.

Having a bunch of meetings this week that, if anything, complicate him looking at other things in no way is a favor to him. There is no person who follows football at all closely that will rationally distinguish between what they did and firing him with a week left on his deal anyway.
I dont agree. It doesnt really matter what someone "following football" thinks. This is like any other job. This is a small fraternity of teams. If Garrett interviews with Team X, then Team X owner will place a call to Jerry Jones and have a conversation with him. the charade of multiple meetings could easily be explained as, "We explored extending his contract, but we couldn't come to an agreement. Out of respect for Jason, we let him search for other opportunities. We're disappointed to be losing him."

Whitewashing? Sure. Believable? Probably not. But still better than the alternative. At this point, its about saving face for the guy. No different than an executive "resigning" instead of being fired.
 

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But he’s not free to interview with team x right now as they’d need Dallas’s permission to do so. And team x is having internal discussions on potential HC’s and as far as they know JG isn’t an option. How are those things helpful for JG?
 

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I dont agree. It doesnt really matter what someone "following football" thinks. This is like any other job. This is a small fraternity of teams. If Garrett interviews with Team X, then Team X owner will place a call to Jerry Jones and have a conversation with him. the charade of multiple meetings could easily be explained as, "We explored extending his contract, but we couldn't come to an agreement. Out of respect for Jason, we let him search for other opportunities. We're disappointed to be losing him."

Whitewashing? Sure. Believable? Probably not. But still better than the alternative. At this point, its about saving face for the guy. No different than an executive "resigning" instead of being fired.
Isn't this all undone by allowing him to go into the final year of his contract without a whiff of extension talks? How does a lame duck coach save face following a season that started 3-0 and ended with a division-title-choking 8-8? Spoiler alert: he doesn't and you put him out of his misery ASAFP.

The fact of the matter is everything that happened after the season ended was purely a charade. Especially considering Garrett had already said his farewell to the team and notified his coaching staff that they were free to seek other jobs well before the official dismissal.

This is all part and parcel of how this organization operates. There is always dumbfuckery involved and although the logical course of action sometimes prevails (drafting Zack Martin instead of Johnny Manziel), more often than not it doesn't (giving Ezekiel Elliott that franchise-crippling contract).
 

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But he’s not free to interview with team x right now as they’d need Dallas’s permission to do so. And team x is having internal discussions on potential HC’s and as far as they know JG isn’t an option. How are those things helpful for JG?
yeah, saying this doesn’t matter is just baseless and kind of silly. He in fact can’t interview—that matters. He doesn’t seem to know if he has a job next year—that matters a lot. This is not a close call
 

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It's utterly insane Garrett has neither been fired nor hired. Jerry Jones is just letting him twist in the wind.

What an incredibly petty piece of garbage Jones is. He's doing it just to mock Garrett. How old are you Jerry?
 

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Imagine how hard it must be to coach in the NFL that they keep trotting out decent, but ultimately middling coaches.

Bill Belichick and John Harbaugh and Andy Reid are really talented dudes.
 

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Yep, this is going exactly as expected

Lewis has to be included just to satisfy the Rooney rule. If he's a legit candidate then this organization is an even bigger clown show than even I thought possible.
 

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Lewis has to be included just to satisfy the Rooney rule. If he's a legit candidate then this organization is an even bigger clown show than even I thought possible.
I don't know about that. The Bengals got six wins better in Lewis' first year and four wins worse the year after he left. And he's got experience working in an environment where the owner is also the GM.
 

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I don't know about that. The Bengals got six wins better in Lewis' first year and four wins worse the year after he left. And he's got experience working in an environment where the owner is also the GM.
While this is true, it's incredibly bad optics to replace Garrett for his failures to go deep into the playoffs with a coach who never won a playoff game
 

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While this is true, it's incredibly bad optics to replace Garrett for his failures to go deep into the playoffs with a coach who never won a playoff game
I hear George Seifert is available.

Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells might be, too. Dick Vermeil, Tony Dungy... if you want a has-been retread - but who has won playoff games! - I'm sure there's no shortage.
 

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I hear George Seifert is available.

Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells might be, too. Dick Vermeil, Tony Dungy... if you want a has-been retread - but who has won playoff games! - I'm sure there's no shortage.
I suppose you're trying to be clever? That's not what he's saying and you know it.
 

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I figured the conversation would occur in the new thread but I'll throw some quick thoughts here all the same.

Hiring McCarthy is fine. I'll have to withhold full judgment until we know what his coaching staff will look like. I'm concerned he'll be saddled with Kellen Moore the same way Wade Phillips was saddled with Garrett. If Moore remains on the staff, then this will just be more of the same from a guy who's unwilling to fold a bad hand. Our only hope is the story that came out recently about Stephen dissuading Jerry from giving Garrett a contract extension at the end of last season.
Stephen Jones pulled who pulled on the plug on extension talks. While the elder Jones desperately wanted to lock Garrett in -- especially considering the massive investment of time and money the club had in him -- the junior Jones wanted to see more, and he wanted to see it in 2019.
It's very reminiscent of the Manziel situation. We can only hope the end result is just as positive as drafting Zack Martin over Johnny Manziel. But that remains to be seen.