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If Garrett is fired, I heard (on the Dan Patrick show) the top two candidates that Jerry was targeting are Urban Meyer and Josh McDaniels
Well, if Garrett gets fired in the next 2 weeks, I don’t believe these candidates will be available at that time. Maybe next year?
 

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I don't think Jerrah will fire Garrett mid-season. He has always been against mid-season firings but made an exception for Wade Phillips because he had totally lost the team.

Garrett has a lot of deficiencies as a coach, but losing the team isn't one of them. They have always played their ass off for him until the final second ticks off the clock.
 

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I don't think Jerrah will fire Garrett mid-season. He has always been against mid-season firings but made an exception for Wade Phillips because he had totally lost the team.

Garrett has a lot of deficiencies as a coach, but losing the team isn't one of them. They have always played their ass off for him until the final second ticks off the clock.
There goes that defense of Garrett. That was a completely gutless and listless performance.
 

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They know Garrett won’t be there next year, right? So the question is whether he or (say) Kris Richard gives them a better shot rest of way, and how they weight benefit of being able to start recruiting the next guy.
 

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They know Garrett won’t be there next year, right? So the question is whether he or (say) Kris Richard gives them a better shot rest of way, and how they weight benefit of being able to start recruiting the next guy.
This is a fact. Dallas, amazingly, still has a pretty good path to the playoffs. That division is a mess and the Eagles aren't good at all and obviously the Giants and the R Words aren't even professional football teams.

If they can turn it around, they should try to do so.
 

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I would take the Eagles now. They have the Dolphins, Redskins, Giants twice and the Cowboys at home.
Pretty much comes down to Week 16 now. I give slight advantage to Eagles but not much. Cowboys had their way with them last game.
 

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It’s going to depend on injuries. Philly has been very banged up all across the roster but is slowly getting healthy.
 

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Pretty much comes down to Week 16 now. I give slight advantage to Eagles but not much. Cowboys had their way with them last game.
Even with that inexplicable loss to Miami, I'd favor the Eagles as well. The Cowboys are just the kind of team that would stubbornly run the ball into the brick wall known as the Philly front 4 when their secondary is battered and bruised.

Though this division sure does look like a race to the bottom.
 

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Can’t believe they left out the skins. 4 back with 3 to play.
I think you mean 3 back with 4 left to play.

Though they're mathematically still alive, they're basically done. Even if they were to win out (no small task with needing to win at Lambeau this weekend), they'd also need to destroy all of Jerry Jones's horcruxes. For the sake of argument, let's say they mange to overtake Dallas. There's still the issue of Philly needing to lose all but the Dallas game with two games remaining against the Giants.

Frankly, that's why I think the green trash can will win the race. Philly has a far easier road to 9-7 than Dallas does.
 

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I think you mean 3 back with 4 left to play.

Though they're mathematically still alive, they're basically done. Even if they were to win out (no small task with needing to win at Lambeau this weekend), they'd also need to destroy all of Jerry Jones's horcruxes. For the sake of argument, let's say they mange to overtake Dallas. There's still the issue of Philly needing to lose all but the Dallas game with two games remaining against the Giants.

Frankly, that's why I think the green trash can will win the race. Philly has a far easier road to 9-7 than Dallas does.
Easier road doesn’t really matter though. Dallas is 6-6 and Philly is 5-7. Dallas can lose next 2 games and Philly can win next 2 and Dallas still controls its own destiny. Week 16 is effectively a play in game. Wasn’t there a similar situation a few years ago with Romo?
 

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Easier road doesn’t really matter though. Dallas is 6-6 and Philly is 5-7. Dallas can lose next 2 games and Philly can win next 2 and Dallas still controls its own destiny. Week 16 is effectively a play in game. Wasn’t there a similar situation a few years ago with Romo?
Dallas definitely still has the advantage....mostly because Dallas still has a plausible path if they lose the week 16 Philly game....the reverse is not true. Philly has to win that game unless they hope Dallas goes 0-3 in the other games, and one of them is the Redskins in Dallas. Even the Cowboys probably won't fuck that one up. (though never say never with this bunch)

If Philly wins the week 16 game vs the Cowboys, Dallas could still get in if Philly somehow screws up and loses another game....and Dallas could do it with 8 wins too assuming that one of their non-Philly losses is not the Redskins in week 17....they'd finish ahead of Philly on the division record tiebreaker. It basically means that Philly has to win out or hope Dallas loses week 17.
 

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Easier road doesn’t really matter though. Dallas is 6-6 and Philly is 5-7. Dallas can lose next 2 games and Philly can win next 2 and Dallas still controls its own destiny. Week 16 is effectively a play in game. Wasn’t there a similar situation a few years ago with Romo?
That's the rub. I'm long past the point of having any confidence that they won't lose at least 2 more games. They're going to lose one of the next two games, then lose in Philly, meaning they'll no longer control their own destiny. Michael Bennett can give all the impassioned speeches he wants but they'll do nothing to overcome the fact that this team is merely a collection of parts led by a coach who's been shown to be clearly in over his head for the better part of the last decade.
 

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That's the rub. I'm long past the point of having any confidence that they won't lose at least 2 more games. They're going to lose one of the next two games, then lose in Philly, meaning they'll no longer control their own destiny. Michael Bennett can give all the impassioned speeches he wants but they'll do nothing to overcome the fact that this team is merely a collection of parts led by a coach who's been shown to be clearly in over his head for the better part of the last decade.
This is only true if the Eagles don't lose any of the games before that.
 

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This is only true if the Eagles don't lose any of the games before that.
Sure. And as big of a train wreck as the Cowboys have been, the Eagles have been an even bigger one. But they still have a decided edge in their remaining schedule and they should - emphasis, should - handle NY. But they just lost to Miami - who admittedly is playing better of late - so they have their own concerns.

My point, which I begrudgingly admit I'm making poorly, is that all the Cowboys need to do is win to eliminate any butthole puckering. But since I have no faith in them that they will, I fear we'll be placing our hopes in the Washington Football Club.

I've seen this movie several times. And the ending fucking sucks.
 

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Well, that's one predictable domino down. Now all Philly needs to do is beat an Eli-led Giants team and they'll be in the driver's seat.

With that said, it's time to talk about Kellen Moore. We're starting to see why I worried about giving him the OC position with such little experience. Ditto, it seems, for Kris Richard. They appear to be easy to scheme against and, in the case of the offense, if Prescott is anything but razor sharp (DoTB will likely have at me again but this is far too often an occurrence) the offense falls to pieces. I know it sounds rough to nitpick the coordinator of the #1 offense (by yardage) but they're very obviously trending in the wrong direction and there can be only one conclusion as to why: the league has caught up with him.

This coaching staff, the entire coaching staff, needs to go. There cannot be a single holdover in 2020. I might have allowed for position coach exceptions, like Marc Colombo, but even the offensive line has been a massive disappointment. Outside of maybe the punter and long snapper (though I do seem to recall Chris Jones shanking a punt at one point) every position group has had an alarming amount of WTF moments. Someone along those chains of command has checked out and it's ultimately the coaches who will be held accountable.

Not that it will ultimately matter as long as Jerry Jones is still alive and running the team, but even the most avid drinkers of the Cowboys Kool-Aid must be ready for a change of leadership at this point. I'm glad the media is harping on the question of Garrett's future because it could potentially prod Jones into action, even if only out of sheer exhaustion from answering the question.
 

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Well, that's one predictable domino down. Now all Philly needs to do is beat an Eli-led Giants team and they'll be in the driver's seat.

With that said, it's time to talk about Kellen Moore. We're starting to see why I worried about giving him the OC position with such little experience. Ditto, it seems, for Kris Richard. They appear to be easy to scheme against and, in the case of the offense, if Prescott is anything but razor sharp (DoTB will likely have at me again but this is far too often an occurrence) the offense falls to pieces. I know it sounds rough to nitpick the coordinator of the #1 offense (by yardage) but they're very obviously trending in the wrong direction and there can be only one conclusion as to why: the league has caught up with him.

This coaching staff, the entire coaching staff, needs to go. There cannot be a single holdover in 2020. I might have allowed for position coach exceptions, like Marc Colombo, but even the offensive line has been a massive disappointment. Outside of maybe the punter and long snapper (though I do seem to recall Chris Jones shanking a punt at one point) every position group has had an alarming amount of WTF moments. Someone along those chains of command has checked out and it's ultimately the coaches who will be held accountable.

Not that it will ultimately matter as long as Jerry Jones is still alive and running the team, but even the most avid drinkers of the Cowboys Kool-Aid must be ready for a change of leadership at this point. I'm glad the media is harping on the question of Garrett's future because it could potentially prod Jones into action, even if only out of sheer exhaustion from answering the question.
There really is no drivers seat at this point. Eagles could win next 2 games and Cowboys could lose by 100 to the Rams and it’ll still come down to that Week 16 game. I’m really looking forward to that one. Will effectively be a wild card game with tons of pressure on both sides.
 

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Well, that's one predictable domino down. Now all Philly needs to do is beat an Eli-led Giants team and they'll be in the driver's seat.

With that said, it's time to talk about Kellen Moore. We're starting to see why I worried about giving him the OC position with such little experience. Ditto, it seems, for Kris Richard. They appear to be easy to scheme against and, in the case of the offense, if Prescott is anything but razor sharp (DoTB will likely have at me again but this is far too often an occurrence) the offense falls to pieces. I know it sounds rough to nitpick the coordinator of the #1 offense (by yardage) but they're very obviously trending in the wrong direction and there can be only one conclusion as to why: the league has caught up with him.

This coaching staff, the entire coaching staff, needs to go. There cannot be a single holdover in 2020. I might have allowed for position coach exceptions, like Marc Colombo, but even the offensive line has been a massive disappointment. Outside of maybe the punter and long snapper (though I do seem to recall Chris Jones shanking a punt at one point) every position group has had an alarming amount of WTF moments. Someone along those chains of command has checked out and it's ultimately the coaches who will be held accountable.

Not that it will ultimately matter as long as Jerry Jones is still alive and running the team, but even the most avid drinkers of the Cowboys Kool-Aid must be ready for a change of leadership at this point. I'm glad the media is harping on the question of Garrett's future because it could potentially prod Jones into action, even if only out of sheer exhaustion from answering the question.
You and the other Dallas fans can certainly speak to this better than I can, but last night I saw an offense that featured little to no deception or variety. Whole game looked like Dak in the gun with Zeke by his side—every drop back looked the same as did every handoff/run. This may partially be my personal bias coming through but that look always seems like the worst in terms of an effective run fake as well, aside from good RPO offenses. No screens to keep the D a little honest. I guess it is good that you're signaling to the D that you can always be running or passing on any given down from that look, but when the line isn't perfect it just seems like an invitation for the defense to fire away.
 

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That was the first full Dallas game I've watched besides the NE game played I n terrible conditions. For all the Garrett talk that has to be the worst coached defense in the league. Zero disguise, zero pre-snap motion just nothing to confuse the offense. Must be the easiest team to gameplan for even though they have talent at all three levels. Do they always look that vanilla?
 

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There really is no drivers seat at this point. Eagles could win next 2 games and Cowboys could lose by 100 to the Rams and it’ll still come down to that Week 16 game. I’m really looking forward to that one. Will effectively be a wild card game with tons of pressure on both sides.
If Philly wins on Sunday, they'll be in a virtual tie. For the sake of argument, let's stipulate both teams win next week (a highly doubtful proposition, considering that the Cowboys have essentially quit on the season), the smart money would still be on the Eagles winning in Week 16. That means the division is theirs for the taking, with the only obstacle in their way being a Giants team lead by a lame duck QB and a lame duck coach. If there's such a thing as a driver's seat in the NFC East, that's pretty much it.

In other words, the Cowboys loss last night means Philly now has the ability to control its own destiny as well, since that Week 16 game could shape up to be winner-take-all.
That was the first full Dallas game I've watched besides the NE game played I n terrible conditions. For all the Garrett talk that has to be the worst coached defense in the league. Zero disguise, zero pre-snap motion just nothing to confuse the offense. Must be the easiest team to gameplan for even though they have talent at all three levels. Do they always look that vanilla?
There was a brief blip in time at the beginning of the season when the offense featured more play action, more pre-snap motion, and more deep throws to stretch the defense. That's gone now and they've reverted back to their old vanilla ways of lining up in essentially the same formation and daring the defense to stop them - which worked pretty damn well in years past, thanks to a dominant offensive line. Well, defenses have begun to stop them but nothing has been done about it. The defense is facing the same problem, considering twice in the past year there have been stories that the opposing offense knew exactly what they would be doing (Aikman even harped on their vanilla schemes all night last night).

And that, in a nutshell, is why Garrett needs to go. Belichick can get away with being an automaton because he schemes and his teams produce on the field. Garrett and his "process" can get fucked. I likened this team thusly last night:

The Cowboys in 2019 under Garrett are what an Augie Garrido-led baseball team would be with no pitching, no defense, and hitters who can't bunt.

What I mean is, Garrett's philosophy since coming into that new toy known as an offensive line is to play close games via grind-it-out offense, solid defense, and playing field position with special teams. They have failed spectacularly in all three phases this year. And that's why they're 6-7 with not a single win against a team with a winning record.
 

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Philly controlled its destiny before the Cowboy loss last night.

So who's the likely HC next year? Will Jerry lure Urban Meyer to Dallas?
 

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Philly controlled its destiny before the Cowboy loss last night.

So who's the likely HC next year? Will Jerry lure Urban Meyer to Dallas?
Not likely. Urban would be a disaster in the NFL and I think even Jerry knows it. The name I've been hearing a lot - at least locally - is Lincoln Riley.

Edit: Within a minute of hitting send on this post I received a push notification that the Cowboys are interested in Meyer. That's what I get for applying logic to the endeavor. Along with him, the other names included were Riley and the recently resigned from U of Washington Chris Petersen (the Boise State connection cited as the main draw there).
 
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Philly controlled its destiny before the Cowboy loss last night.

So who's the likely HC next year? Will Jerry lure Urban Meyer to Dallas?
Yeah, both teams basically control their own destiny. It will be very hard for either team to win division if they lose Week 16. If Cowboys lose to Eagles, they need to beat Rams/Skins and have Philly lose to Giants twice and Redskins. If Philly loses Week 16, they need to win other games and have Cowboys lose to Rams/Skins at home. Neither scenario is very likely. So, basically week 16 is a play in game.
 

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Isn't this a couple games in a row now where the Cowboys romped down the field at the start of the game and then the other team said "Oh, you're just doing X. Okay, here's what we'll do in response." and the Cowboys could not counter the other team's adjustment? I don't know jack about football. But to the average fan that looks like the Cowboys get zero added value from their coaches.
 

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Yes, this was the second straight game they've been up 7-0 and then gotten whupped the remainder of the contest.

Even when the Cowboys have been rather mediocre, you could say with confidence and proof to back it up that they've played hard for Garrett and not "quit" on him. They quit for much of that game last night. And the fact they still haven't cut the fucking kicker is amazing. Jimmy Johnson cut Curvin Richards cause he fumbled in a meaningless end of season game.

And yes, they are without a doubt the absolute worst-coached defense among non-tanking teams in the league. And it befuddles me there's still a section of Cowboys fans who pass the buck on to Marinelli or still are enamored by Richard when it's Richard's defense. He's calling the plays. Who gives a flying fuck if he yells and is "firey" as opposed to The Clapper when the tackling, the positioning, the secondary play, all of it is an absolute tire fire.
 

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Maher has finally, mercifully been cut, with Patriots one-week wonder Kai Forbath signed.
 

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So somehow the Cowboys are favored on the road by 2.5 in a game that would clinch them the division if they win. Guess enough people were suckered by their blowout of the Rams last week.

My guess is a mistake-riddled 27-20 loss.
 

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So somehow the Cowboys are favored on the road by 2.5 in a game that would clinch them the division if they win. Guess enough people were suckered by their blowout of the Rams last week.

My guess is a mistake-riddled 27-20 loss.
Cowboys are winning this. Philly blows.
 

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Cowboys are winning this. Philly blows.
I will grant that philly is absolutely terrible. But it's hard to erase the jets and bears road games from my memory. If the Cowboys have truly found their dominant rushing game again then it would go a long way to overcoming the coaching liability they have in most matchups.
 

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I will grant that philly is absolutely terrible. But it's hard to erase the jets and bears road games from my memory. If the Cowboys have truly found their dominant rushing game again then it would go a long way to overcoming the coaching liability they have in most matchups.
The Eagles offense is decimated and they have no secondary. Cowboys should be two touchdown favorites.
 

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I will grant that philly is absolutely terrible. But it's hard to erase the jets and bears road games from my memory. If the Cowboys have truly found their dominant rushing game again then it would go a long way to overcoming the coaching liability they have in most matchups.
I will say this - if Dak is hurt, and he seems to be a bit, then I like Philly. But if we get semi-normal Dak, I expect Cowboys to win by a TD.
 

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I will say this - if Dak is hurt, and he seems to be a bit, then I like Philly. But if we get semi-normal Dak, I expect Cowboys to win by a TD.
He theoretically is healthy. Wasn't even listed on the injury report Friday but he didn't look right against the Rams (or Chicago for that matter). I'm guessing his finger/shoulder will be an issue.

Cowboys have consistently run the ball on Philly (even when their run defense was decent) so if they do that, they'll minimize the impact of Dak's injuries.
 

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He theoretically is healthy. Wasn't even listed on the injury report Friday but he didn't look right against the Rams (or Chicago for that matter). I'm guessing his finger/shoulder will be an issue.

Cowboys have consistently run the ball on Philly (even when their run defense was decent) so if they do that, they'll minimize the impact of Dak's injuries.
Philly's run D is great and their pass D is not. So it's an interesting dynamic.
 

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So somehow the Cowboys are favored on the road by 2.5 in a game that would clinch them the division if they win. Guess enough people were suckered by their blowout of the Rams last week.

My guess is a mistake-riddled 27-20 loss.
I was pretty close...my scoring was too high but otherwise on point.

Cowboys with dropped passes all day, blown coverages and Dak missing open throws. Mistakes all over the place and they lose by 8.
 

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Yeah...

Garrett is toast. Really thought Cowboys would show up but really no reason to expect them to.
 

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nothing sums up the Dallas Cowboys like not being able to leave a place they never showed up to

 

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Garrett is toast. Really thought Cowboys would show up but really no reason to expect them to.
He better be. There has been no bigger indictment of the Garrett era than not showing up for the biggest game of the season and to be undone, yet again, by their simplistic, predictable schemes. It's long past time to move on.
 

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Firing Garrett is a necessity, but I'll be honest, I think this roster is absolutely loaded with bums that do nothing but read and hear about how "talented" they are from management and the media and then go out and soil themselves on the field.

Philly was playing a bunch of nobodies yesterday at WR and a bunch of nobodies and Malcolm Jenkins in the secondary and kicked Dallas's lame ass from start to finish - they played harder, they wanted it more, they looked like they were there to play a football game and Dallas wasn't. They've got Fletcher Cox out there making plays with one working elbow and Dallas has their best players begging off the field at key times, either by their own volition or by the coaching staff. Right now, this entire franchise and organization can go fuck itself.