2019 Jets: Throwing INTs & Seeing Ghosts!

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Everyone is getting on Sam for saying he was seeing ghosts. What if he was? What if they are real? Are we sure Belichick doesn’t have control of supernatural demons?
 

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I thought it was a pretty cool and real moment that perfectly captured what we were all seeing on TV. People need to relax if they're upset about this being aired. This is entertainment. If something like this "breaks" Darnold, then he wasn't going to amount to much in the NFL, anyway. But, we all know he can play a little... maybe next week he throws 4 TDs and the offense celebrates with Ghostbusters poses in the end zone.

In the immortal words of Tom Brady, "This isn't ISIS."
 

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It shouldn't have been aired but it also isn't a negative for Darnold. He WAS seeing ghosts. Not in the literal sense, I assume, but in the figurative sense. He was constantly throwing at empty air. Do you know who hangs out in empty air? Ghosts.

It's just the comments of a frustrated player getting destroyed by a historically great defense. What is he supposed to say? "You know, I am only one great play from turning this around, I've got this!"

You think Kerry Collins wasn't seeing ghosts against the Ravens in the Super Bowl?
 

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It seemed like Darnold was deathly afraid of getting tackled, and that's why he kept backpedaling and throwing that horrible passes instead of taking sacks or stepping up and taking hits.

Are we sure that his spleen is okay?
 

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It shouldn't have been aired but it also isn't a negative for Darnold. He WAS seeing ghosts. Not in the literal sense, I assume, but in the figurative sense. He was constantly throwing at empty air. Do you know who hangs out in empty air? Ghosts.

It's just the comments of a frustrated player getting destroyed by a historically great defense. What is he supposed to say? "You know, I am only one great play from turning this around, I've got this!"

You think Kerry Collins wasn't seeing ghosts against the Ravens in the Super Bowl?
I actually agree with all of those who think it was a human moment and not something awful.

However, the NFL is a brutal - and, at times, a brutally stupid - business. And you never want to implant in the minds of talent evaluators the idea that you are “soft” or easily rattled as a QB, because that’s the kind of (unfair) rep that stays with you.

That may not stick in this case, but I’ve seen less than this screw over a player once the NFL (collectively) decides that they just don’t want to deal with him. Kaepernick is an easy example of this, but what is more likely here is something that happens with a lot with young QBs - a guy seen as a tremendous talent is suddenly looked at as a “project” because of his mental make-up and teams decide they don’t want to invest the time/effort to develop them.

Hell, just go down the list of first round draft picks for the past several years and you’ll see them everywhere.
 

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It shouldn't have been aired but it also isn't a negative for Darnold. He WAS seeing ghosts. Not in the literal sense, I assume, but in the figurative sense. He was constantly throwing at empty air. Do you know who hangs out in empty air? Ghosts.

It's just the comments of a frustrated player getting destroyed by a historically great defense. What is he supposed to say? "You know, I am only one great play from turning this around, I've got this!"

You think Kerry Collins wasn't seeing ghosts against the Ravens in the Super Bowl?
Kurt Warner agrees


Can we quit making a big deal of #SamDarnolds “Seeing Ghosts” reference - if you have ever played the position at NFL level you have been in a situation where u have seen “ghosts” - even the great @TomBrady! It happens & u have to fight against allowing it to affect you!
 

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Those guys didn’t have it aired to millions of people on the broadcast. It’s not his fault at all, but this will stick to Darnold.

The Jets made a really dumb decision to let their 22 year old franchise QB wear a mic. Nothing good was going to come if it. I’m sure the league mandates that a certain number of players wear one on each team, but the Jets could’ve said no to Darnold and had Bell or another veteran wear it instead.
 

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Those guys didn’t have it aired to millions of people on the broadcast. It’s not his fault at all, but this will stick to Darnold.

The Jets made a really dumb decision to let their 22 year old franchise QB wear a mic. Nothing good was going to come if it. I’m sure the league mandates that a certain number of players wear one on each team, but the Jets could’ve said no to Darnold and had Bell or another veteran wear it instead.
The issue was the comms person on the Jets who approved it instead of making sure it never saw the light of day.
 

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Those guys didn’t have it aired to millions of people on the broadcast. It’s not his fault at all, but this will stick to Darnold.

The Jets made a really dumb decision to let their 22 year old franchise QB wear a mic. Nothing good was going to come if it. I’m sure the league mandates that a certain number of players wear one on each team, but the Jets could’ve said no to Darnold and had Bell or another veteran wear it instead.
If Darnold can't recover from this, he was never going to amount to anything anyway.
 

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Manish Mehta (I know) was on Dan Patrick out here in LA this AM and said that NFL films mics a player every game, but only on national broadcasts do they have the tech to turn it around so quickly and use it live.

He also said that D'Arnold's "floor" was Tony Romo, but he could be a Matt Ryan or Big Ben.
 

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If Darnold has any grit at all, he puts up a big game after this and then posts highlights on social media over the Ghostbusters theme song.

As someone said above, if you let something like this derail your career, you weren't making it anyway.
 

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Manish Mehta (I know) was on Dan Patrick out here in LA this AM and said that NFL films mics a player every game, but only on national broadcasts do they have the tech to turn it around so quickly and use it live.

He also said that D'Arnold's "floor" was Tony Romo, but he could be a Matt Ryan or Big Ben.
He... thinks Matt Ryan is better than Romo?
 

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Gaze can complain all he wants to ESPN and NFL Films about airing those miced up comments. It is probably a contractual agreement to have team players miced during prime time games. He should have picked another player.

There was No Way that ESPN wasn’t going to broadcast those comments once they were uttered. It was solid gold, must see TV. And of course they can say they are reviewed before releasing, but the higher ups must have thought they won the lottery. I mean look at all the eyeballs on this right now.

Unfortunately for Darnold he is going to be tagged with this for awhile. If he can’t survive this then he is not cut out to be an NFL qb. But the NFL business is brutal and the NY media relentless; he really doesn’t deserve this or his idiot coach.
 

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Those guys didn’t have it aired to millions of people on the broadcast. It’s not his fault at all, but this will stick to Darnold.

The Jets made a really dumb decision to let their 22 year old franchise QB wear a mic. Nothing good was going to come if it. I’m sure the league mandates that a certain number of players wear one on each team, but the Jets could’ve said no to Darnold and had Bell or another veteran wear it instead.
The Jets let Darnold be miked with the understanding that nothing embarrassing would be aired. That's what they are promised. I don't blame them for being mad, and they should tell the NFL to pound sand if/when they are asked again..
 

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If Darnold has any grit at all, he puts up a big game after this and then posts highlights on social media over the Ghostbusters theme song.

As someone said above, if you let something like this derail your career, you weren't making it anyway.
Yeah I mean I laughed at the gestalt of the Jets' performance last night, but in terms of individual, never-gonna-recover-from-this embarrassment, the buttfumble was 10x worse than the offhand comment.

You know what I thought when they showed Darnold saying "...seein' ghosts"? Yeah, no shit you are, Sammy boy. You've thrown 3 interceptions and missed a half-dozen open receivers. Your mechanics are FUBAR. Get your head right. You know what I didn't say? "oh wow, he's mentally crushed, he's scared, he isn't cut out for this league".

Every Patriots fan on this board could name 5 games in which they remarked at the time "Brady's seeing ghosts out there today". Let's start with the 3 playoff losses in Denver, and the list is easily added to from there. It happens. You're not making the right reads, you're getting deceived by a defense doing its damndest to deceive you, and the result is your offense fucking up. Hell, I've probably heard the term from announcers a dozen times describing someone's play, sometimes even a WR's play. There was a brilliant 10-minute mini-documentary years ago on how Rick Ankiel was "Seeing ghosts". It's not a reflection on your character, it's a reflection on your play, in one game.

And let's say he had turned it around after that, led two nice drives, and the game finished 33-10 or something. Jets fans would take positives from this, commentators would give a young QB credit for adapting in-game, and it'd generate not much more than a smirk. What's actually embarrassing was the failure from that point forward to adjust, and the comprehensive failure of the team for 60 minutes.

I'll also wager that if Darnold had said it in retrospect at the interview podium - "yeah, tonight I really was just seeing ghosts out there, those safeties are so good at disguising, I even let it affect my throwing mechanics, can't do that" - absolutely nobody goes out and mocks it beyond a few token tweets. Because it was mic'd up, and he had a thousand-yard stare while saying it to himself or nobody-in-particular on the field, all of a sudden he's got character issues? Come the fuck on.

All to say, I understand why an NFL Films person would let that air. It's descriptive of what was going on. It's a common sports term. What was embarrassing was the gameplay, from the QB on down to everyone else. Pinning those feelings of embarrassment on some intern, and some remark that could just as easily have ended up innocuous - a moment in time, not a permanent state - is total bullshit.
 

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The Jets let Darnold be miked with the understanding that nothing embarrassing would be aired. That's what they are promised. I don't blame them for being mad, and they should tell the NFL to pound sand if/when they are asked again..
Agreed, but this was also avoidable if they didn’t agree to let him wear a mic and offered up a different player.
 

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Yeah I mean I laughed at the gestalt of the Jets' performance last night, but in terms of individual, never-gonna-recover-from-this embarrassment, the buttfumble was 10x worse than the offhand comment.

You know what I thought when they showed Darnold saying "...seein' ghosts"? Yeah, no shit you are, Sammy boy. You've thrown 3 interceptions and missed a half-dozen open receivers. Your mechanics are FUBAR. Get your head right. You know what I didn't say? "oh wow, he's mentally crushed, he's scared, he isn't cut out for this league".

Every Patriots fan on this board could name 5 games in which they remarked at the time "Brady's seeing ghosts out there today". Let's start with the 3 playoff losses in Denver, and the list is easily added to from there. It happens. You're not making the right reads, you're getting deceived by a defense doing its damndest to deceive you, and the result is your offense fucking up. Hell, I've probably heard the term from announcers a dozen times describing someone's play, sometimes even a WR's play. There was a brilliant 10-minute mini-documentary years ago on how Rick Ankiel was "Seeing ghosts". It's not a reflection on your character, it's a reflection on your play, in one game.

And let's say he had turned it around after that, led two nice drives, and the game finished 33-10 or something. Jets fans would take positives from this, commentators would give a young QB credit for adapting in-game, and it'd generate not much more than a smirk. What's actually embarrassing was the failure from that point forward to adjust, and the comprehensive failure of the team for 60 minutes.

I'll also wager that if Darnold had said it in retrospect at the interview podium - "yeah, tonight I really was just seeing ghosts out there, those safeties are so good at disguising, I even let it affect my throwing mechanics, can't do that" - absolutely nobody goes out and mocks it beyond a few token tweets. Because it was mic'd up, and he had a thousand-yard stare while saying it to himself or nobody-in-particular on the field, all of a sudden he's got character issues? Come the fuck on.

All to say, I understand why an NFL Films person would let that air. It's descriptive of what was going on. It's a common sports term. What was embarrassing was the gameplay, from the QB on down to everyone else. Pinning those feelings of embarrassment on some intern, and some remark that could just as easily have ended up innocuous - a moment in time, not a permanent state - is total bullshit.
Great post.
 

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Agreed, but this was also avoidable if they didn’t agree to let him wear a mic and offered up a different player.
Victim blaming. There was no reason to be concerned if the NFL did what it had promised, and what they promised was perfectly reasonable and doable..
 

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I'm sure they must be out there as they must air stuff like this all time, can anyone find any other mic'd up segment where it shows up the player that is mic'd up?
 

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Darnold should have gone over to the Patriots bench and said to Edelman "Jules, or Julian, whatever your name is, you seem to enjoy the mikes, how about you wear the fucking thing." Jules punches him and then, "OK, Bro."
 

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Darnold should have gone over to the Patriots bench and said to Edelman "Jules, or Julian, whatever your name is, you seem to enjoy the mikes, how about you wear the fucking thing." Jules punches him and then, "OK, Bro."
Never would happen - but damn that would have been outrageously funny. Like classic for 10 years funny.
 

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Manish Mehta (I know) was on Dan Patrick out here in LA this AM and said that NFL films mics a player every game, but only on national broadcasts do they have the tech to turn it around so quickly and use it live.

He also said that D'Arnold's "floor" was Tony Romo, but he could be a Matt Ryan or Big Ben.
So that dude thinks the worst case scenario for Darnold is a guy who was a top 5-7 QB at his peak? Pretty optimistic.
 

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Yeah I mean I laughed at the gestalt of the Jets' performance last night, but in terms of individual, never-gonna-recover-from-this embarrassment, the buttfumble was 10x worse than the offhand comment.

You know what I thought when they showed Darnold saying "...seein' ghosts"? Yeah, no shit you are, Sammy boy. You've thrown 3 interceptions and missed a half-dozen open receivers. Your mechanics are FUBAR. Get your head right. You know what I didn't say? "oh wow, he's mentally crushed, he's scared, he isn't cut out for this league".

Every Patriots fan on this board could name 5 games in which they remarked at the time "Brady's seeing ghosts out there today". Let's start with the 3 playoff losses in Denver, and the list is easily added to from there. It happens. You're not making the right reads, you're getting deceived by a defense doing its damndest to deceive you, and the result is your offense fucking up. Hell, I've probably heard the term from announcers a dozen times describing someone's play, sometimes even a WR's play. There was a brilliant 10-minute mini-documentary years ago on how Rick Ankiel was "Seeing ghosts". It's not a reflection on your character, it's a reflection on your play, in one game.

And let's say he had turned it around after that, led two nice drives, and the game finished 33-10 or something. Jets fans would take positives from this, commentators would give a young QB credit for adapting in-game, and it'd generate not much more than a smirk. What's actually embarrassing was the failure from that point forward to adjust, and the comprehensive failure of the team for 60 minutes.

I'll also wager that if Darnold had said it in retrospect at the interview podium - "yeah, tonight I really was just seeing ghosts out there, those safeties are so good at disguising, I even let it affect my throwing mechanics, can't do that" - absolutely nobody goes out and mocks it beyond a few token tweets. Because it was mic'd up, and he had a thousand-yard stare while saying it to himself or nobody-in-particular on the field, all of a sudden he's got character issues? Come the fuck on.

All to say, I understand why an NFL Films person would let that air. It's descriptive of what was going on. It's a common sports term. What was embarrassing was the gameplay, from the QB on down to everyone else. Pinning those feelings of embarrassment on some intern, and some remark that could just as easily have ended up innocuous - a moment in time, not a permanent state - is total bullshit.
Agree with every word.

I hate all this pile-on negativity, even for the Jets and sometimes even for the Yankees. I can't believe that I may actually root for Darnold to have a good game this week just as a fuck you. Probably I won't in the end, but I'm thinking about it.
 

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Being mic'd up is pretty scary. I have had it a few times coaching basketball, and it affected me because something out of context can look really bad, and I didn't particularly trust the people getting the audio. Rule of thumb is positive stuff gets shared. A guy getting ripped by the coach, even in the pros is usually off limits. Anyway, like anything else when you win it looks profound, "He said to rebound and they won the game with a put back what a great coach" conversely "he said rebound, but they lost the game because of defense" The SB stuff with McVay was edited to make it look like he was over his head, etc, when seeing the whole thing it was pretty basic coach talk. Sadly for Darnold he was more eloquent than "My head is up my ass" which is what he meant.
 

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I certainly wish Darnold luck, myself. I've never gotten the hate for the Jets that some (most?) Pats fans have here. Miami, I get - that history is deep and rife with resentment. Indy, Denver, Oakland, even the Giants - sure, no doubt. But the Jets have been a laughingstock for as long as the Pats were, if not more. They got one bright spot in their last 40 years, as a (let's be honest) fucking hilarious Rex Ryan coached a Revis-led defense into one of the most shocking and inexplicable upsets in the Brady/Belichick era. Okay, that hurt. But loathing the Jets since Rex's departure (or before his arrival) just seems like kicking someone when they're down. They've ALWAYS been down. Take away 2009-2010 and the 1998 Parcells run to the AFCCG (OC: Weis, DC: Belichick) and they have nothing to be proud of since the early 80s. Their greatest coach was Herm Edwards, who went 39-41 and made the playoffs 3/5 years. Their biggest act of on-field brutality towards us unlocked the Tom Brady era. Their fans aren't especially arrogant (who could be?), nor awful humans by the standards of NFL fanbases. I just don't get where the pleasure comes from in the schadenfreude. Never have.

I don't want the Jets to beat us or anything, but some years of mediocrity, some prospects with upside to cheer, maybe even some playoff appearances? I don't see why we shouldn't wish them well at least that far. Man, I remember when we would have given our left nut for just that to happen to each Boston team!
 

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Seems like the Streisand effect at work here. Just say "yeah, the Patriots were doing some amazing things on defense but we as a team and Sam as our quarterback will learn from it" and move on (and quietly decline to be mic'd up next time).
 

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So that dude thinks the worst case scenario for Darnold is a guy who was a top 5-7 QB at his peak? Pretty optimistic.
A Romo floor comment is patently ridiculous. Darnold WISHES that was his floor. In fact, almost every QB would wish this in their 2nd year. Mehta is an asshole.
 

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I don’t see how the comment makes Darnold look bad except in the wannabe macho wacho world of football.

When Jack Dempsey lost to Gene Tunney, he told his wife “I forgot to duck,” and it actually gained him a lot of fans and admiration after years of holding the heavyweight title.

This is in the same vein for me. It’s human. It’s intimate. It’s a clever turn of phrase.
 

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I don’t see how the comment makes Darnold look bad except in the wannabe macho wacho world of football.

When Jack Dempsey lost to Gene Tunney, he told his wife “I forgot to duck,” and it actually gained him a lot of fans and admiration after years of holding the heavyweight title.

This is in the same vein for me. It’s human. It’s intimate. It’s a clever turn of phrase.
Agreed. I think it also looks worse in print than when you hear it on TV. When you listen to him say it, it's the same vibe of like "man, I'm seeing ghosts, not sure where I was throwing that one"...it sounds more like that type of rhetoric versus "I'm scared so shitless that I'm seeing ghosts" which is how many are making it out in the social media world.
 

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Agreed. I think it also looks worse in print than when you hear it on TV. When you listen to him say it, it's the same vibe of like "man, I'm seeing ghosts, not sure where I was throwing that one"...it sounds more like that type of rhetoric versus "I'm scared so shitless that I'm seeing ghosts" which is how many are making it out in the social media world.
That's what I took it to be - he didn't throw it because he thought he saw something in coverage that wasn't there... or vice versa. Unfortunately for him it's funny, and memorable so it will have staying power though - probably a Saturday Night Live skit in his future.
 

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Osemele, who is in his first season with the Jets, has not played since Week 3. Initially he had a knee injury and was dealing with an illness. But on Oct. 2, he aggravated a shoulder injury in practice that he initially hurt during training camp.

He has not practiced since.

Reportedly, after having Osemele undergo several MRIs, Jets doctors found “overwhelming evidence” that the shoulder injury was one the 30-year-old picked up during his time with the Oakland Raiders. The team’s doctors cleared him to return to practice and told him surgery could wait until the offseason, but Osemele reportedly “refused” to practice and requested a second opinion.
He’s since gotten a third opinion, from a doctor in Boston, who recommended immediate surgery.

Doctors agree that Osemele has a torn labrum — Osemele said on Wednesday it’s“torn off the bone” — but the disagreement between player and team is over the timing of the surgery. ESPN reported that the Jets believe Osemele can play through pain and delay the repair.
Since the Jets believe he can practice and Osemele isn’t, *the team has been fining him the maximum allowed under the collective-bargaining agreement, which is $579,000 or the amount of his 17 in-season game checks*.

Osemele said on Wednesday that the team had not yet responded to his decision to have surgery on Friday.
While New York believes it was an injury Osemele had when he arrived with the Jets, Osemele says he did not start to feel pain until early August.

He took injections of Toradol, a powerful painkiller, for the first three regular-season games.

“I went as long as I could on painkillers,” he said. “They were masking the pain. Now it's at the point where I can't do anything about it.”

He added that the Jets prefer he keep taking Toradol, but team sources told ESPN’s Rich Cimini that the shoulder became an issue only after it looked like Osemele might lose his job.
https://sports.yahoo.com/kelechi-osemele-says-hes-having-shoulder-surgery-friday-whether-jets-approve-or-not-214037725.html
 

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All I know for certain about that injury situation is that, from what I can tell, it’s SUPER Jets-y and entirely hilarious.

I would bicker with this. This seems like something new and I wonder if Douglas is super hard nosed. I want to know who is running this from the Jets side.
 

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All I know for certain about that injury situation is that, from what I can tell, it’s SUPER Jets-y and entirely hilarious.
My sympathies are definitely affected by this report:
Team and player can have reasonable medical disagreements about whats best for the player, but when you start pulling shenanigans, the default assumption has to be that they're fucking with a guy they wanted to cut and save cap room on, while he sits around in extreme pain, because they're a bunch of heartless bastards. The fines aren't worse than the shenanigans but they illustrate the bad faith here.
 

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I would bicker with this. This seems like something new and I wonder if Douglas is super hard nosed. I want to know who is running this from the Jets side.
He has a torn labrum and now has *three* medical opinions that he needs immediate surgery. The Jets are fining him because they want to shoot him up and have him play through it.

The claim that there was a “mix up” relating to the blank MRIs being sent to doctors is simply the cherry on top of the shit sundae.

The NFL is a brutal, ruthless business. If I were a lawyer, my specialty would be to encourage players to sue them for their barbaric and inhumane medical practices.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/kelechi-osemele-will-have-his-shoulder-surgery-whether-1839310663/amp
 

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He has a torn labrum and now has *three* medical opinions that he needs immediate surgery. The Jets are fining him because they want to shoot him up and have him play through it.

The claim that there was a “mix up” relating to the blank MRIs being sent to doctors is simply the cherry on top of the shit sundae.

The NFL is a brutal, ruthless business. If I were a lawyer, my specialty would be to sue them for their barbaric and inhumane medical practices.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/kelechi-osemele-will-have-his-shoulder-surgery-whether-1839310663/amp

I don’t disagree with what you wrote, my point above was that this isn’t particularly a Jetsy thing. Cupcakes to woo a free agent a Jetsy thing. Butt fumble...Jetsy. Having the greatest coach of all time in house and not sealing the deal on recruiting him ...Jetsy.

Super hard nosed cruel attitude toward injured players is not something I recall and lacks the tragicomic element that is necessary for something to be Jetsy
 
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Super hard nosed cruel attitude toward injured players is not something I recall and lacks the tragicomic element that is necessary for something to be Jetsy
The only history toward injured players I can recall is the coach led wall set up on punt returns designed to trip and injure opposing players.
 
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