2019 NFL Draft Rounds 2 & 3 Game Thread - No Spoilers

Dollar

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People liking the pick is enough of a spoiler for me. My favorite picks are when nobody has ever heard of the guy.
 

Dollar

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I'd be fine with the Pats taking Darrell Green here. He can probably still run a 4.35 40.
 

DJnVa

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Won’t spoil it but I really like the pick
Chase Winovich

This is an interesting comment on Chase:

Physical edge defender who plays the game like he has zombie blood pumping through his veins.
Do zombies have blood?

And good story here:

When Winovich was in junior high, he tripped over a garbage bag on his front step and suffered a fractured skull and subdural hematoma due to the fall.
 

BaseballJones

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Obviously.....who the hell knows. But this is a guy I was hoping the Pats would grab.

So...yay!
 

SMU_Sox

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Wow, what a steal. He is a great two-way player. I love Wino. I can't believe they got him at 77.
 

ifmanis5

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Clay Matthews meets Nink.

FWIW, during the BB era they've never picked more than 12 total players in one draft (2009 and 2010).
 

ehaz

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PFF had Chase Winovich ranked #4 among EDGE guys (29th overall) behind only Bosa, Allen, and Burns. Ahead of 1st rounders like Ferrell, Sweat, Collier, and his teammate, Gary.
 

JohnnyTheBone

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They are killing the draft imo.
And that's not just the whiskey talking, folks!

Seriously, SMU, I appreciate all your insight in the "Wait, Who?" forum, and the reason I'm so jacked-up about what the Pats have done thus far is largely from the knowledge I've gleaned from your posts in there. Thank you, sir!
 

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Went to UM and watched a lot of Winovich...I’m not qualified to make predictions, but he’s definitely (1) an amazing fit culture wise (smart player, works his ass off, great locker room guy) and (2) a guy who gets the most out of his talents. He played opposite Rashan Gary (a much higher ceiling guy) and was a good bit more productive.
 

troparra

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Went to UM and watched a lot of Winovich...I’m not qualified to make predictions, but he’s definitely (1) an amazing fit culture wise (smart player, works his ass off, great locker room guy) and (2) a guy who gets the most out of his talents. He played opposite Rashan Gary (a much higher ceiling guy) and was a good bit more productive.
Wasn't the story that Gary was unproductive because he was double teamed all the time?
 

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Pat's drafting 72 to play TE, how big was that kid for HS?
 

ehaz

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PFF article on Winovich from a couple weeks ago:

All Winovich did on the football field at Michigan was disrupt opposing offenses week after week. He earned a 92.3 overall grade over the last two seasons. Below is the full list of the Power 5 players who have earned a grade as good or better their last two seasons since we started grading:

Nick Bosa

Myles Garrett (tie)

Joey Bosa

That’s it. Winovich has produced at the highest level in college football in a Big-10 conference that features some damn good offensive lines. Over the past two seasons, Winovich has the fourth-most pressures (109) and the third-most run stops (69) among all defensive linemen in college football (he’d rank second in both those categories among Power 5 defensive linemen). If you like production, Winovich is as good as it gets on the edge after Nick Bosa in this draft class.

Winovich’s play style is going to see every cliche in the book thrown his way, but he’s far more than just a high motor. At the combine in Indy, Winovich put up a 4.59 40-yard dash, 6.94 3-cone and 4.11 short shuttle at 256 pounds. All of those are elite figures and he ranked top-five among all defensive linemen in each drill. Here’s the full list of players besides Winovich who have run 4.65 or better in the 40 with a sub 7.0 3-cone at 250+ pounds at the combine this century:

Brian Urlacher (2000)

DeMarcus Ware (2005)

Mark Anderson (2006)

Cliff Avril (2008)

Connor Barwin (2009)

Jason Worilds (2010)

Jerry Hughes (2010)

Justin Houston (2011)

Jordan Willis (2017)

Harold Landry (2018)

Leighton Vander Esch (2018)

That’s some pretty darn good company. Every player that’s gotten through their rookie contract on that list has been a resounding success. Jordan Willis has been the least productive of the bunch but is only heading into his third season in the NFL.

With production and athletic comps putting Winovich in elite company, it’s worth asking what are the knocks keeping the Michigan defender from getting more hype? It could be that some simply didn’t realize how absurdly athletic Winovich really is. His nfl.com draft profile listed his NFL comparison as Markus Golden, a man who is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum athletically after running a 4.90 40-yard dash and a 7.39 three-cone at the NFL combine in 2015. The profile even says he could be limited by his physical traits and explosiveness despite having the third-best 10-yard split of any defensive lineman at the combine (1.57). The bottom line is Winovich, a defensive lineman with already refined hand usage, incredible on-field production, and elite athleticism. When evaluating the Michigan draft-eligible defensive linemen, this is the one worthy of a first-round pick.
 

snowmanny

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I'm excited that the Steelers picked a CB whose season highlight was giving up a "big one" to the Pats WR pick
 

Red Averages

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agree. failure to address TE not withstanding, i really cant complain about any of these picks
We should keep in mind that they may already know Gronk is coming back for the 2nd half of the season, in which case ASJ for half the year isn't bad. Also, still likely the possibility of trading for Rudolph, which would be a total Patriots move IMO.