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And a few bounces the other way and we’re talking about zero rings and this team being the Buffalo Bills II, except worse because the Pats have been to more Super Bowls.
True. But the amount of heartbreak Patriots have suffered recently is unprecedented. Luckily it’s offset by good stuff, but not enough to
prevent some degree of whining.
 

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It sucks that they cut him. No one should have to go through what Chris Smith has gone through this year.

That being said, the tragedy happened in September and it's now December. I have no idea if Smith has a long term role on the Browns, but it's not like they cut him the week that she died.
 

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It sucks that they cut him. No one should have to go through what Chris Smith has gone through this year.

That being said, the tragedy happened in September and it's now December. I have no idea if Smith has a long term role on the Browns, but it's not like they cut him the week that she died.
Some things are better left unsaid.
 

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It’s been fewer than 90 days. The team is going nowhere this year. He was apparently well-liked and I’m sure the comradery and structure were important to him and probably inspiring to his teammates.

I can’t see how this helps the franchise near or long term.
 

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Sounds like Eli might saddle up one more time and start in Philly as Danny 6th pick has a moderate high ankle sprain.

Opie's 116-116 W/L record may be put in jeopardy, as Eagles are currently -9 1/2.
 

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Reports are Adam is banged up, I’d be surprised if the Colts release him to sign with the Pats. No waivers for a vet like him.
 

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I've had the same observation about not knowing where the ball is with Jackson, in a way that I've never felt with anyone else. I have no idea how much of that is because of his skin tone, but it seems plausible that it could be a contributing factor. Though obviously there is more to it than that, as there have been many other black QBs who could run the ball and none seemed to be this good at it.
 

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I don't know too much about the Bills K situation. Curious if they put the claim in to keep him from the Pats.
A quick Google search gave me this article:
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/12/4/20996312/report-buffalo-bills-tried-to-claim-kicker-chase-mclaughlin-off-waiver-wire-stephen-hasuchka
The Buffalo Bills may be fed up with Stephen Hauschka’s missed field goals. On Wednesday, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported that the Bills put in a waiver claim on kicker Chase McLaughlin. He was awarded to the Indianapolis Colts based on their worse record.
McLaughlin was in camp with the Bills and performed well all offseason before being among the final cuts. He was 3-for-3 in the preseason including a made 54-yarder in addition to being 5-of-5 on his extra points.
 

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I have no idea how much of that is because of his skin tone, but it seems plausible that it could be a contributing factor.
It may seem plausible to you in the context of this idiot's comments. But it is not, in fact, at all plausible. It's an absurd, and implicitly racist, suggestion.

Why jump to assuming it must be his skin tone, and not, say, a natural talent, or a learned and practiced skill, or some clever piece of gritty gamesmanship, that helps him to obscure the football? Hell, the Ravens wore all black uniforms in this very game. Why wouldn't that matter just as much, if not more?

Jumping to the (irrational) conclusion that dark skinned forearms obscure the ball implies that Lamar's success is the result of a "freakish otherness", that he is somehow not the same as "normal" people, and that his success is due to this otherness. This kind of language has been used to discriminate against both American blacks specifically and minorities in general basically since the dawn of media.

Sorry if that's too political for this forum. Couldn't not say it. I don't mean to impune moondog80, who I don't know at all— more responding to Tim Ryan than to you.
 

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It may seem plausible to you in the context of this idiot's comments. But it is not, in fact, at all plausible. It's an absurd, and implicitly racist, suggestion.

Why jump to assuming it must be his skin tone, and not, say, a natural talent, or a learned and practiced skill, or some clever piece of gritty gamesmanship, that helps him to obscure the football? Hell, the Ravens wore all black uniforms in this very game. Why wouldn't that matter just as much, if not more?

Jumping to the (irrational) conclusion that dark skinned forearms obscure the ball implies that Lamar's success is the result of a "freakish otherness", that he is somehow not the same as "normal" people, and that his success is due to this otherness. This kind of language has been used to discriminate against both American blacks specifically and minorities in general basically since the dawn of media.

Sorry if that's too political for this forum. Couldn't not say it. I don't mean to impune moondog80, who I don't know at all— more responding to Tim Ryan than to you.
This is very well said, and clearly outlines what's wrong with the statement.
 

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I've watched roughly 3 1/2 Ravens games this year and I can say that I've never seen a QB run the option and hold the ball in the RB's stomach for as long as Lamar does before either letting it go or taking it back. Somehow, you'd think that'd make it easier to defend but Jackson is so damn athletic that he can wait that extra step or 2 before deciding. A team broadcaster should be able to pick up on that before resorting to a "camouflage" argument
 

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I've watched roughly 3 1/2 Ravens games this year and I can say that I've never seen a QB run the option and hold the ball in the RB's stomach for as long as Lamar does before either letting it go or taking it back. Somehow, you'd think that'd make it easier to defend but Jackson is so damn athletic that he can wait that extra step or 2 before deciding. A team broadcaster should be able to pick up on that before resorting to a "camouflage" argument
It's kind of like a hitter having such quick hands that he can wait on a pitch just a *little* bit longer, thus increasing his ability to diagnose the pitch and make contact. Jackson is such an incredible athlete that he can hold it a little longer, or wait a little longer to take off running when the pass play breaks down, that he's just so hard to deal with.

I do think their dark uniforms make it harder to see the ball. I thought that when the Pats played them...I had a very hard time seeing the ball. It's not outrageous to suggest that hiding the ball against a black or brown or dark uniform is easier than hiding it against a white uniform. I mean, that's pretty obviously true.
 

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I do think their dark uniforms make it harder to see the ball. I thought that when the Pats played them...I had a very hard time seeing the ball. It's not outrageous to suggest that hiding the ball against a black or brown or dark uniform is easier than hiding it against a white uniform. I mean, that's pretty obviously true.
I get the uniform thing to a degree but it's not like the D has no idea where the ball is. The bigger issue is the D not knowing who's going to end up with the ball, right? Once the play starts and it's a read option, the D knows the ball is simultaneously in Jackson's hands and against Ingram's stomach. It's not like Hollywood Brown somehow has it, running down the field at that point.
 

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I get the uniform thing to a degree but it's not like the D has no idea where the ball is. The bigger issue is the D not knowing who's going to end up with the ball, right? Once the play starts and it's a read option, the D knows the ball is simultaneously in Jackson's hands and against Ingram's stomach. It's not like Hollywood Brown somehow has it, running down the field at that point.
Very true. But there's a moment where Jackson disengages from Ingram, and it's an open question as to who has the ball. At this level, even a split-second's worth of hesitation is usually enough to spring an athlete like Ingram or Jackson. So the color of the uniform may give them just enough time (a split second) to give them an advantage. Nothing wrong with that. Other teams could choose different colors if they wanted to. For NE, it doesn't really matter, given how they play.

Obviously it's mostly the talent and scheme they run that's hard to deal with. But the ball *is* harder to see against their dark uniforms, and again, that may give them just enough of an advantage to add up. I don't see this as anything remotely resembling a controversial claim.
 

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It may seem plausible to you in the context of this idiot's comments. But it is not, in fact, at all plausible. It's an absurd, and implicitly racist, suggestion.

Why jump to assuming it must be his skin tone, and not, say, a natural talent, or a learned and practiced skill, or some clever piece of gritty gamesmanship, that helps him to obscure the football? Hell, the Ravens wore all black uniforms in this very game. Why wouldn't that matter just as much, if not more?

Jumping to the (irrational) conclusion that dark skinned forearms obscure the ball implies that Lamar's success is the result of a "freakish otherness", that he is somehow not the same as "normal" people, and that his success is due to this otherness. This kind of language has been used to discriminate against both American blacks specifically and minorities in general basically since the dawn of media.
This is excellent.
 

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Sounds like Eli might saddle up one more time and start in Philly as Danny 6th pick has a moderate high ankle sprain.

Opie's 116-116 W/L record may be put in jeopardy, as Eagles are currently -9 1/2.
Isn't this game destined to end in a tie? 116-116-1. The perfect postscript to Eli's career.
 

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Obviously it's mostly the talent and scheme they run that's hard to deal with. But the ball *is* harder to see against their dark uniforms, and again, that may give them just enough of an advantage to add up. I don't see this as anything remotely resembling a controversial claim.
Lol, "Goalpost mover" indeed. If someone wants to claim the black jerseys are cheating, that's fine with me. I take issue with the comment about skin tone.
 

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There have been plenty of QBs who were really good at selling the playaction who didn’t have Lamar’s skin tone. It’s more about committing to the faked handoff and really sticking it in the RBs gut as deep and long as possible.

Manuel says the rest better than I could, but I imagine if there’s a genetic ability to it beyond Lamar’s athleticism, it’s his hand size and strength.
 

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Lol, "Goalpost mover" indeed. If someone wants to claim the black jerseys are cheating, that's fine with me. I take issue with the comment about skin tone.
I’m not moving anything. I’ve said nothing about Jackson. I was just commenting on the uniform aspect, which someone else brought up before me.. Nor did I suggest that’s cheating of any kind.
 

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man it is amazing that jason garrett has been a HC for so long. are the cowboys really gonna pay dak prescott 38 mil next year? sounds like a terrible decision. who else would sign him for that kind of money?
 

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It may seem plausible to you in the context of this idiot's comments. But it is not, in fact, at all plausible. It's an absurd, and implicitly racist, suggestion.

Why jump to assuming it must be his skin tone, and not, say, a natural talent, or a learned and practiced skill, or some clever piece of gritty gamesmanship, that helps him to obscure the football? Hell, the Ravens wore all black uniforms in this very game. Why wouldn't that matter just as much, if not more?

Jumping to the (irrational) conclusion that dark skinned forearms obscure the ball implies that Lamar's success is the result of a "freakish otherness", that he is somehow not the same as "normal" people, and that his success is due to this otherness. This kind of language has been used to discriminate against both American blacks specifically and minorities in general basically since the dawn of media.

Sorry if that's too political for this forum. Couldn't not say it. I don't mean to impune moondog80, who I don't know at all— more responding to Tim Ryan than to you.
My immediate reaction to the story was that it seemed (a) implausible and (b) disparaging in a way I would have trouble fully articulating. This is really an excellent post.
 

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Worth noting that a number of (African-American) San Fran players are coming to Tim Ryan's defense.

As insensitive as his words were, I don't see anyone making a case that they were motivated by malice or hatred in his heart. And that's really what matters most.
'Hey, this is a brown ball, they're wearing dark colors and he has a brown arm, honestly sometimes we were having trouble seeing it on film. He's making a play fake and sometimes he's swinging his arm really fast and you're like 'OK, does he have the ball on that play?' And then you look up and (Mark) Ingram is running it. So, it was technically a valid point, but you can always phrase things better. You can always phrase things and not say his black skin."
 

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Skin color might be a factor. It's unfortunate that it occurred to him before skill, hand size and strength, and uniform color did, as it seems those factors are likely to be far more significant.
 

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Skin color might be a factor. It's unfortunate that it occurred to him before skill, hand size and strength, and uniform color did, as it seems those factors are likely to be far more significant.
It was a 3 and half hour broadcast of which we've heard a 5 second clip. I'm guessing the analyst said other non-melanin related stuff about Lamar Jackson too.
 

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Skin color might be a factor. It's unfortunate that it occurred to him before skill, hand size and strength, and uniform color did, as it seems those factors are likely to be far more significant.
Did you listen to the clip? Because he mentioned the dark uniform.
 

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Did you listen to the clip? Because he mentioned the dark uniform.
I did not. My post was in response to the criticism of him for mentioning skin color. If it was mentioned as a minor consideration rather than a primary one, then I apologize to my fellow posters for taking their comments at face value.
 

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Worth noting that a number of (African-American) San Fran players are coming to Tim Ryan's defense.

As insensitive as his words were, I don't see anyone making a case that they were motivated by malice or hatred in his heart. And that's really what matters most.
I don’t think Jimmy the Greek’s were either, when he explained that African-American athletes were physically superior to whites because of breeding (no inter-breeding I guess) all the way back to the slave era. He even went into their stronger muscular development in the behind area, don’t know what else. He was wrongfully discharged, IMO, in 1988. I hope nothing further happens to Ryan.