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Brian Phillips of SB Nation/Pats Pulpit says if a team wanted to covert AB's salary/roster bonus to signing bonus the 2019 cap hit would be as low as $7.3 million. The cap hits in 20 and 21 would be $15 and $16 million.
 

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What Case Keenum can't check-down well enough so they brought in Flacco? Elway is rumored to be enamored with Drew Lock but rumors in February are worthless. Still, if this is his swing for the fences he got jammed and popped up and not even the thin Denver air can turn this can-o-corn into an HR.
 

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Probably an upgrade for Denver, probably not enough to make a big difference as that defense gets a year older. They're not unseating KC next year, so the upside is a wild card game on the road. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Brian Phillips of SB Nation/Pats Pulpit says if a team wanted to covert AB's salary/roster bonus to signing bonus the 2019 cap hit would be as low as $7.3 million. The cap hits in 20 and 21 would be $15 and $16 million.
Dead money if cut in 2020 would be $7.8 million, 2021 would be $3.9 million.
 

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Jay Glazer is predicting that it will be a very active trade market this offseason and the one player he predicts will get traded is Odell Beckham Jr. If he gets traded after June 1, the Giants only have to take $4 million in dead space in 2019($12 million in 2020) and they'd save $17 million against their 2019 cap. His 5-year extension kicks in this year, but the team acquiring him doesn't have to worry about the $20 million signing bonus. His contract would then be 5 years, $77.25 million.

If Gronk happens to retire, that would open up a lot of cap space and also a hole for a playmaker. Would you want OBJ at $15.45 million a year AAV?

https://theathletic.com/815950/2019/02/13/jay-glazer-nfl-offseason-mailbag-trade-market/
 

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Jay Glazer is predicting that it will be a very active trade market this offseason and the one player he predicts will get traded is Odell Beckham Jr. If he gets traded after June 1, the Giants only have to take $4 million in dead space in 2019($12 million in 2020) and they'd save $17 million against their 2019 cap. His 5-year extension kicks in this year, but the team acquiring him doesn't have to worry about the $20 million signing bonus. His contract would then be 5 years, $77.25 million.

If Gronk happens to retire, that would open up a lot of cap space and also a hole for a playmaker. Would you want OBJ at $15.45 million a year AAV?

https://theathletic.com/815950/2019/02/13/jay-glazer-nfl-offseason-mailbag-trade-market/
I would do it but so would a bunch of other teams. If OBJ ever were to hit the trade market, I think the Pats would easily get outbid, if they were even interested.

But from a pure football standpoint, he makes a lot of sense. Can run every route and draw the double teams that Gronk would have gotten.
 

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What is the most the Patriots have allocated to a WR historically? I can't think of an expensive (10mm+) one. They gave Moss 3 years, 27 million. I can't see them trading for OBJ, or any other really expensive WR, outside of maybe AJ Green for a deal they could then extend him to spread it out over multiple years.

BTW - OBJ has played a total of 16 games the last two years.
 

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What is the most the Patriots have allocated to a WR historically? I can't think of an expensive (10mm+) one. They gave Moss 3 years, 27 million. I can't see them trading for OBJ, or any other really expensive WR, outside of maybe AJ Green for a deal they could then extend him to spread it out over multiple years.

BTW - OBJ has played a total of 16 games the last two years.
Then he needs the TB12 Method :)
 

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What is the most the Patriots have allocated to a WR historically? I can't think of an expensive (10mm+) one. They gave Moss 3 years, 27 million. I can't see them trading for OBJ, or any other really expensive WR, outside of maybe AJ Green for a deal they could then extend him to spread it out over multiple years.

BTW - OBJ has played a total of 16 games the last two years.
$9 MM a year on the 2008 cap ($116 MM) is almost 8%, the equivalent of almost $15 MM on the 2019 cap (estimated $190 MM). And Moss was already 30. Welker played on the $9.5 MM franchise tag in 2012. The Pats talked extension with Cooks, and while they didn't work something out, you have to think those talks started in the $10MM+ range. So I think the Patriots would got $10MM+ for the right player in the right situation, which doesn't mean they'd do it for OBJ. They tend to prefer spreading out money among multiple pass-catchers.
 

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Brian Phillips of SB Nation/Pats Pulpit says if a team wanted to covert AB's salary/roster bonus to signing bonus the 2019 cap hit would be as low as $7.3 million. The cap hits in 20 and 21 would be $15 and $16 million.
I don't think they can convert the roster bonus. I think Danooo has the numbers right.

I think it would look basically like this:

2019 Salary $950,000. Roster. $2,500,000. Restructure: $3,900,000. Cap hit: $7,350,000.

2020 Salary $11,300,000. Restructure: $3,900,000. Cap hit: $15,200,000. Cost to cut or trade: $7,800,000.

2021: Salary $12,500,000. Restructure: $3,900,000. Cap hit: $16,400,000. Cost to cut or trade: $3,900,000.

2022: UFA

Edit: Basically what you're doing here is deferring $7,900,000 to the next two years in exchange for guaranteeing $12 million salary for 2019. Nobody is going to rush out to make me a GM, but if I had the cap space I'd rather just take my medicine now. But this technique puts teams that aren't necessarily flush into the running.
 
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Why have they soured on him? From a distance he seems like one of their foundational players.
I think they still like him but his play has dropped off a bit since that 2016 season where he was nuts. Last year, he didn’t have an INT (7 previous 2 years), had only 4 PDs (13 in 2016), 1 FF, and 0 FR. Not quite 2002 Lawyer Milloy but they probably figure someone is going big on him and are unlikely to meet the price.
 

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Tony Pauline: Sources tell me the Cincinnati Bengals are hoping to trade receiver John Ross and will field offers during the combine. We'll have more tonight during our podcast.

Ross has 2 years left on his rookie deal plus his 5th year option.
 
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Who would trade anything for him? He was a high pick that has 200 yards over two years. He's still owed like $9m. I can't imagine a team even trading a conditional 7th for him. On 58 targets he caught 21 passes for 210 yards. This guy stinks.
 

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Tony Pauline: Sources tell me the Cincinnati Bengals are hoping to trade receiver John Ross and will field offers during the combine. We'll have more tonight during our podcast.

Ross has 2 years left on his rookie deal plus his 5th year option.
Who would trade anything for him? He was a high pick that has 200 yards over two years. He's still owed like $9m. I can't imagine a team even trading a conditional 7th for him. On 58 targets he caught 21 passes for 210 yards. This guy stinks.
The worst part is it would actually cost them cap space to do it unless they waited until after June 1 to make the deal. Post June 1, they'd save $2M on the 2019 cap and push the rest into 2020.
 

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Who would trade anything for him? He was a high pick that has 200 yards over two years. He's still owed like $9m. I can't imagine a team even trading a conditional 7th for him. On 58 targets he caught 21 passes for 210 yards. This guy stinks.
If you looked, you'd see he's played in 16 games in 2 years so his big knock is staying on the field. All but 2 targets came this season and he had 7 TDs in 21 catches. He has elite speed(4.22 40 at the combine) and has kick/punt return experience going back to Washington which I added a video of below. If Patterson becomes too expensive, he may be a good option to plug into the gadget role that CP played in this year. McDaniels can find ways to use Ross like he did with Patterson and given he's only owed base salaries of $2.02 million and $2.79 million(Cincinnati already paid him his $10.5 million signing bonus) he's cheap.

 

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Tony Pauline: Sources tell me the Cincinnati Bengals are hoping to trade receiver John Ross and will field offers during the combine. We'll have more tonight during our podcast.

Ross has 2 years left on his rookie deal plus his 5th year option.
There goes my AJ Green dream scenario :(
 

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Who would trade anything for him? He was a high pick that has 200 yards over two years. He's still owed like $9m. I can't imagine a team even trading a conditional 7th for him. On 58 targets he caught 21 passes for 210 yards. This guy stinks.
21 catches is 20 more catches than anyone on the Pats' current WR depth chart has, other than Edelman.
 

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Be hard to find someone worse.
Obviously he's not coming in to be at the top of the depth chart. Did you think Patterson had a good year? Because he had 21 catches this year. I find it hard to believe that Ross couldn't come in and do most of what Patterson could do(besides run the ball between the tackles). He could run some routes down the field while also getting him the ball on bubble screens and jet sweeps.
 

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Obviously he's not coming in to be at the top of the depth chart. Did you think Patterson had a good year? Because he had 21 catches this year. I find it hard to believe that Ross couldn't come in and do most of what Patterson could do(besides run the ball between the tackles). He could run some routes down the field while also getting him the ball on bubble screens and jet sweeps.
Could John Ross fill in at RB in a pinch because of injuries? Can he return kicks? How is he with the ball in his hands? I know he's fast, but as Brandin Cooks taught us, that doesn't mean you are a good ball carrier, so not sure about the jet sweeps. And to answer the question, no I don't think Patterson had a good season and would be disappointed with that kind of production from any receiver they brought in. Thing is I'm not sure Ross could give you even what Patterson did.
 

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81 catches for 1,150 yards and 17 TDs in 14 games his senior year at Washington with 8 rushes for 102 yards and a TD as well on the ground. I can't imagine he wouldn't be worth a 7th rounder.

86 kickoff returns over his college career with a 24.1 yard average and 4 TDs. Only 4 punt returns.
 

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Could John Ross fill in at RB in a pinch because of injuries? Can he return kicks? How is he with the ball in his hands? I know he's fast, but as Brandin Cooks taught us, that doesn't mean you are a good ball carrier, so not sure about the jet sweeps. And to answer the question, no I don't think Patterson had a good season and would be disappointed with that kind of production from any receiver they brought in. Thing is I'm not sure Ross could give you even what Patterson did.
I answered all these questions already. Yes, he can run the ball but on end arounds and sweeps. Yes, he can return kicks. If you ask me, the Patriots got pretty good value from Patterson. 56 total touches for 475 yards and 3 TDs plus 30 yards per return with 1 TD.

He was absolutely electric at Washington his senior year which led to him being a top 10 pick. It wouldn't be the first time that a player came to New England and he was used in the proper fashion to maximize his value.
 

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Per Eagle beat writer on DC radio this pm, Philly could be all over this. Ross has what they lack.
 

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That’s bullshit, of course.

The price for the Patriots would be a price no team would pay, assuming it’s not an outright lie. In any event, teams will see through that.