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The twitter take seems to be that it's an absolute steal by Philly at that price.
I believe that twitter reaction was in response to the initial report that the deal was for 3 years/ $10 million total, not $10 million per year. The 3 year/ $30 million deal is getting panned pretty good.
 

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The twitter take seems to be that it's an absolute steal by Philly at that price.

EDIT: Wait, no. lol It was Field Yates who thought it was 3/$10 TOTAL not $10M per.
Heh. Yeah we need more widely-agreed-upon, more unambiguous nomenclature habits. I try to do "3 @ $10M" when quoting an AAV and "3 / $30M" when quoting a total contract value.
 

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Guaranteed he never finishes that 4 year deal. He will get fat and be cut within 3 years possibly 2.
 

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So the Patriots gave away almost nothing for one year at 1.9 million to get a guy so good that he subsequently signed for $37 million guaranteed and a yearly value of $16.5 million. Has there ever been a trade that worked out better for a team and player in the history of the NFL?

Everyone always focuses on who you pick in the draft. And that's how you grade the draft. What Belichick has done to deal with having late picks every round and still to make hay in the draft is amazing. The most important draft pick in the 2018 draft other than Michel for the Patriots might well have been when the 49ers picked McGlinchey. The Patriots were on it and ready to pounce.
 

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That signing should net the Pats a 3rd round comp pick next year, unless they sign a similarly rated free agent, no?
 

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The primary variable in the formula for comp pick allocation is widely believed to be the AAV of each lost free agent's contract. The Pats could realistically end up with the two top comp picks in the third round, so 97 and 98 overall, from Flowers and Brown.
 

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That signing should net the Pats a 3rd round comp pick next year, unless they sign a similarly rated free agent, no?
Yes, and ditto for Flowers if he leaves. Gostkowski would be an interesting comp pick decision if he left. No idea what he would net.
 

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So the Patriots gave away almost nothing for one year at 1.9 million to get a guy so good that he subsequently signed for $37 million guaranteed and a yearly value of $16.5 million. Has there ever been a trade that worked out better for a team and player in the history of the NFL?

Everyone always focuses on who you pick in the draft. And that's how you grade the draft. What Belichick has done to deal with having late picks every round and still to make hay in the draft is amazing. The most important draft pick in the 2018 draft other than Michel for the Patriots might well have been when the 49ers picked McGlinchey. The Patriots were on it and ready to pounce.
Yeah, you can see why players hate coming to the Patriots. Play for a winner, show you can contribute, have a reasonable chance of winning the SB, then break the bank on your next contract. I mean, that's not fun.
 

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So when all is done, the Patriots basically traded a late 3d rounder for Brown and got back (1) a player who helped win a super bowl for a very small cap hit over a replacement player, (2) a fourth rounder, and (3) a third rounder in 2020.

Yes, and ditto for Flowers if he leaves. Gostkowski would be an interesting comp pick decision if he left. No idea what he would net.
I would guess the Gostkowski will end up around 4/18-20 with a $6 million bonus or something like that. I would think that would be a fairly late round pick. Maybe 5th round I guess.
 

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The fact that it's Howe reporting that about OBJ is interesting.
Sure is, you don’t usually see him reporting stuff not NE-related.
I would guess the Gostkowski will end up around 4/18-20 with a $6 million bonus or something like that. I would think that would be a fairly late round pick. Maybe 5th round I guess.
Makes sense, I just wasn’t sure if salary relative to position was part of the formula. Could easily see him getting biggest kicker contract ever in this market.
 

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He was good for sure, but I think he was helped out a lot by Brady getting the ball out insanely quick. I will not be surprised if he struggles in Oakland.
This will be the least shocking thing ever when he struggles. I don't see him even making it to year 3 of that deal.
 

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Uggh. I hate losing Brown. He was a monster in the playoffs & SB.
Can't argue with the return on the original trade, though.
I don’t like it either. But we’ll eat it and learn to like it b/c no alternative. Can’t come close to matching this (or what Flowers will pull down). So it’s pretty easy to deal with from that standpoint.
 

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Uggh. I hate losing Brown.
Yeah. But you just have to look at it this way -- the same preparation and focus on detail and evaluation that got Brown in the door on an amazingly team friendly deal still resides in the head of Belichick. Finding a way to get a $16 million player for $1.9 million is partly luck but also part of what he does year in and year out. He might not hit the lottery again like that this year but you just have to trust that there's some great deal out there that will allow him to take advantage of the cap for next year and years beyond.
 

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Folks hated to see Brown's predecessor leave as well. Not that the same thing will happen here—there is a world of difference between 25 and 30 for an OL—but fans of Solder's new team were already lamenting that megadeal before the first bye week of the season.
 

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How does a OBJ trade work for the Giants?

They take an aggregate 35M cap hit - which includes 14.5 in accelerated dead money - if they trade him. Did Gettleman wake up with regret over the extension they handed him?
 

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How does a OBJ trade work for the Giants?

They take an aggregate 35M cap hit - which includes 14.5 in accelerated dead money - if they trade him. Did Gettleman wake up with regret over the extension they handed him?
They'd have to agree to have the trade go through after June 1st as they could spread the dead money over this year($4 million) and next year($12 million). Doing it this route also saves them $17 million against this year's cap because they would not have to pay his $16.75 base salary and $250,000 workout bonus.
 

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Gruden is admitting failure moving Kolton Miller to RT after one season. I'm one of 2-3 Raider guys on here and I'm shocked he pulled the cord that quickly.
 

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They'd have to agree to have the trade go through after June 1st as they could spread the dead money over this year($4 million) and next year($12 million). Doing it this route also saves them $17 million against this year's cap.
Ok, thanks, that makes a lot more sense.

Don’t get me wrong, the case for trading OBJ is an obvious one, whatever you think of it’s merits; In just surprised the Giants would effectively admit the extension was a mistake like 6 months after handing it out.
 

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I think I'm the main OBJ cheerleader here on this site. I'm ready to take on all comers should this deal actually happen.
Just imagine what OBJ would open up for Edelman/Gronk if he's back, plus Sony and the play action game would be that much more devastating.
 

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Gruden is admitting failure moving Kolton Miller to RT after one season. I'm one of 2-3 Raider guys on here and I'm shocked he pulled the cord that quickly.

Yeah, I dont get it. I'd feel better if Tom Cable wasn't the OLine coach.

The only bright side about the money is that it is basically a cash neutral deal for the Raiders, since they are saving about $16M by cutting Penn & trading Osemele. Brown - Gabe Jackson - Rodney Hudson - Brandon Parker - Miller has the potential to be a decent line.


He was good for sure, but I think he was helped out a lot by Brady getting the ball out insanely quick.

If that is what made him good, he is going to do great with Derek Carr.
 

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Guaranteed he never finishes that 4 year deal. He will get fat and be cut within 3 years possibly 2.
How much fatter can he possibly be? He's already the biggest person in the NFL, which is quite a feat. Skills and focus can always decline of course, but I think deflation is far more likely than the reverse.

edit: my real criticism would be of the Raiders. You have all this cap space, and several years before you're probably going to have to contend, and this is how you spend it? Why not take a Browns-with-Osweiler salary dump in order to get additional picks for taking other teams' bad contracts?
 

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Yeah, I dont get it. I'd feel better if Tom Cable wasn't the OLine coach.

The only bright side about the money is that it is basically a cash neutral deal for the Raiders, since they are saving about $16M by cutting Penn & trading Osemele. Brown - Gabe Jackson - Rodney Hudson - Brandon Parker - Miller has the potential to be a decent line.

If that is what made him good, he is going to do great with Derek Carr.
Hopefully they will spend on LB and Safety, and a cheap running back with rest of their money.
 

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This:

...flows well into this:


Jesus, that is an overpay by the Rams. He was basically Clayborn last year. One year, I guess, but still. They better win this year or next, because their cap management is utter shit, and when a QB gets expensive, they’re in trouble.

Btw, regarding the Colts, I’ve read an article or two that their GM is in no rush to spend and will wait it out an offseason or two. Sounds like they might finally have it together...assuming Luck’s arm stays together, which I’m still not convinced of.
Luck's arm looked completely shot against the Chiefs, but this was his first season back from the injury, so I'll give him a pass. Don't think he's the kind of guy who'll play until he's 38+, though.

Kwon Alexander will sign with the 49ers, per source.


Source: The #49ers are signing LB Kwon Alexander to a 4-year deal worth $54M.
Some pretty crazy money being thrown around thus far. Have to see the guaranteed amount, but I wouldn't pay Alexander this much.
 

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Hopefully they will spend on LB and Safety, and a cheap running back with rest of their money.

I am getting the vibe that they will rebuild the offense in FA and dedicate the draft to defense. That makes sense with the way this year's draft lays out, but who knows what butterflys Chucky is chasing this morning.
 

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I am getting the vibe that they will rebuild the offense in FA and dedicate the draft to defense. That makes sense with the way this year's draft lays out, but who knows what butterflys Chucky is chasing this morning.
Do you think they are all in on Carr this year, and will move on if he doesn’t put it together?

That’s a genuinely difficult decision IMO given the relative dearth of clear cut alternatives in FA and the draft. If you like Murray or Haskins, is Carr toast?
 

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I am getting the vibe that they will rebuild the offense in FA and dedicate the draft to defense. That makes sense with the way this year's draft lays out, but who knows what butterflys Chucky is chasing this morning.
They need to upgrade Nelson, get a RB and resign Cook. But yes getting same vibe.