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Jenkins and Suggs....Pouncey for the Walter Payton man of the year. The NFL is a thug league. Compare it to the NBA where Lebron has set the tone for a decade. Smart business man, seemingly great family man, who gives 100% effort to his craft. The difference between the character of players in the NBA versus the NFL/MLB is vast IMHO.
 

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Jenkins and Suggs....Pouncey for the Walter Payton man of the year. The NFL is a thug league. Compare it to the NBA where Lebron has set the tone for a decade. Smart business man, seemingly great family man, who gives 100% effort to his craft. The difference between the character of players in the NBA versus the NFL/MLB is vast IMHO.

Maybe. How much of that is driven by ~60 x 32 vs 18 x 30?
 

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Jenkins and Suggs....Pouncey for the Walter Payton man of the year. The NFL is a thug league. Compare it to the NBA where Lebron has set the tone for a decade. Smart business man, seemingly great family man, who gives 100% effort to his craft. The difference between the character of players in the NBA versus the NFL/MLB is vast IMHO.
True today, but it also hasn't been that long since Ron Artest charged into the stands in Detroit to start dishing out some indiscriminate haymakers. On average, the NBA has its shit slightly more together on many levels, but we're talking about Extreme Humans in all cases - not a ton of them are super well-adjusted or they'd lead more balanced lives.
 

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True today, but it also hasn't been that long since Ron Artest charged into the stands in Detroit to start dishing out some indiscriminate haymakers. On average, the NBA has its shit slightly more together on many levels, but we're talking about Extreme Humans in all cases - not a ton of them are super well-adjusted or they'd lead more balanced lives.
Do you think pro athletes require any more focus or dedication than law firm partners or ceos or anyone else at the top of their competitive fields?
 

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Do you think pro athletes require any more focus or dedication than law firm partners or ceos or anyone else at the top of their competitive fields?
They lead very monochromatic lives at the top of their profession. Lebron James, for all his manifest dignity and intelligence, essentially never gets to "Take time off" and is working on his body and his game 365 days a year, around which he squeezes public appearances or branding or business meetings or whatever. Maybe partners at Wachtell work obscene hours but their lives can and do consist of more variety, whether or not they seek it. In today's top-level pro sports, not putting in max effort every day means the next guy up behind you can and will take your job. Even CEOs know that (A) they need to disconnect from time to time so as not to go crazy and to be able to be at their best the rest of the time, and (B) their skillsets require a lot more EQ and personality management than they do repetitive work, so they get a quality-over-quantity approach to what they do. In my experience, top businesspeople all share an incredible level of skill at managing their own time, and deftly saying no to demands on it when needed, so I think that's different, yeah. Less so for the bankers I know, though - that's probably more comparable, at least until you get to the MD level.

There's another distinction, perhaps more worthy of V&N than here, but it's in the nature of business to want to eschew competition. There's an inverse correlation between the profitability of a business and how competitive it is. For many people in many industries, the environment may resemble professional sports - there's one VP in the org structure and 1000 people gunning to get that role, and no ability to create differential value on your own, so it's dog-eat-dog to get that promotion. By contrast, if you're really doing your job designing or running a business well, you've eliminated the need to worry about competitors. Most real businesses are somewhere between those two extremes, but a really successful businessperson can likely afford to be selectively lazy.

So I guess your answer depends on how you define "focus and dedication". If you ask me, the people willing to take hundreds of thousands of swings of a baseball bat over the course of a childhood are made of very different mental stuff than the people with the charisma and cleverness to attract resources and success to themselves in a business career, even if you'd call both of them "focused" in the absence of more specific terms.
 

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They lead very monochromatic lives at the top of their profession. Lebron James, for all his manifest dignity and intelligence, essentially never gets to "Take time off" and is working on his body and his game 365 days a year, around which he squeezes public appearances or branding or business meetings or whatever. Maybe partners at Wachtell work obscene hours but their lives can and do consist of more variety, whether or not they seek it. In today's top-level pro sports, not putting in max effort every day means the next guy up behind you can and will take your job. Even CEOs know that (A) they need to disconnect from time to time so as not to go crazy and to be able to be at their best the rest of the time, and (B) their skillsets require a lot more EQ and personality management than they do repetitive work, so they get a quality-over-quantity approach to what they do. In my experience, top businesspeople all share an incredible level of skill at managing their own time, and deftly saying no to demands on it when needed, so I think that's different, yeah. Less so for the bankers I know, though - that's probably more comparable, at least until you get to the MD level.

There's another distinction, perhaps more worthy of V&N than here, but it's in the nature of business to want to eschew competition. There's an inverse correlation between the profitability of a business and how competitive it is. For many people in many industries, the environment may resemble professional sports - there's one VP in the org structure and 1000 people gunning to get that role, and no ability to create differential value on your own, so it's dog-eat-dog to get that promotion. By contrast, if you're really doing your job designing or running a business well, you've eliminated the need to worry about competitors. Most real businesses are somewhere between those two extremes, but a really successful businessperson can likely afford to be selectively lazy.

So I guess your answer depends on how you define "focus and dedication". If you ask me, the people willing to take hundreds of thousands of swings of a baseball bat over the course of a childhood are made of very different mental stuff than the people with the charisma and cleverness to attract resources and success to themselves in a business career, even if you'd call both of them "focused" in the absence of more specific terms.
I think you're very much idealizing how spartan athletes' lives are. For every LeBron or Brady, there are a dozen Knicks, Nets, Giants or Mets out at 1Oak or Little Sister every night after a home game. These dudes go hard, especially on the road. Most law firm partners I know are working far crazier hours. It's about human capacity. You can work at a desk 10-12 hours a day, using your brain and wits. You can't physically train more than 3-5 hours a day without diminishing returns. That leaves a lot of free time.
 

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I don't want to root for or have our playoff hopes depend on this guy. I didn't want to in 2017 with Harrison either. If he goes to the Ravens I'm really not all that worried. It isn't like 2009 Suggs was released.
 

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Suggs threatening not to report if anyone other than BAL claims him

I’d do it anyway. 350K to keep him away from a threat
I’d root for a 0-16 team rather than sign Suggs. He abused his partner and infant child.
 

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Would it be against league rules to pay Miami to claim Suggs? I'm just interested in keeping him away from Baltimore. They've got enough swagger already without adding him back into the mix... and it would suck to have to face them and have Suggs find the fountain of youth for 3-4 critical plays.
 

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Of course. Now Tyreek and Suggs can make one giant mecha child abuser.
Worst Voltron ever.

This joke might only be for @johnmd20, but I'm sure the Hunts are glad they sold the Chiefs after the Kareem Hunt incident and didn't have to deal with Hill and now Suggs. Imagine how aghast that noble family of morally upright citizens would be.
 

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Maybe this story sheds some light on why the team has quit on its coach and management two years in a row. Tom Coughlin stepped into a franchise that was headed in the right direction, took credit for initial success that was created by others, then proceeded to turn the franchise into a total shitshow with his management style and decisions.

As I’m sure I have said in other threads, Khan needs to clean house — Coughlin, Caldwell, and Marrone all must go. Then, let new management decide if the current roster is salvageable or if a Miami-style teardown is needed.
 

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Putting here so as not to derail the cornerback thread speaking of probowl snubs, I’m just glad that it gives another chip on the shoulder for the team. Plus, who wants to have to play in the probowl when the other bowl is the goal?
 

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Yeah, I do love that whenever Brady is asked about the pro bowl in other years, he has only two things to say:

1) It's always an honor to be selected
2) I don't plan on being available to participate

This year it's just #2, but that answer is going to have a much spicier phrasing. Oh, you think Deshaun Watson is a better QB than me? That's fine. Totally fine. No no, I get why you'd feel that way.
 

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Well to be fair, on an individual level, Watson is having a much better season than Brady. He deserves to be a pro bowler more than Brady does this year.
 

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I'm just amazed that the 12-2 Ravens have twelve selections while four 11-3 teams have eleven selections combined (NE 3, GB 2, Sea 2, SF 4). That's just insane.
 

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Well to be fair, on an individual level, Watson is having a much better season than Brady. He deserves to be a pro bowler more than Brady does this year.
I agree, but knowing everything you know about Tom Brady, how do you think he feels about it?

(and it'd be no worse than Peyton Manning's selection in 2002 over more-deserving colleagues such as Chad Pennington or Trent Green that year. Brady gets nothing on rep.)
 

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I agree, but knowing everything you know about Tom Brady, how do you think he feels about it?

(and it'd be no worse than Peyton Manning's selection in 2002 over more-deserving colleagues such as Chad Pennington or Trent Green that year. Brady gets nothing on rep.)
I’m sure he either totally doesn’t care or does care and will use this as motivation.
 

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I'm just amazed that the 12-2 Ravens have twelve selections while four 11-3 teams have eleven selections combined (NE 3, GB 2, Sea 2, SF 4). That's just insane.
Agree, 12 Ravens seems over the top, though the only glaring bad picks to me are Peters at CB and Andrews at TE (Waller having a better year by any measure but team record, and maybe the biggest snub outside Dak). I’d personally take Fournette or Ekeler at RB, but Ingram isn’t a horrendous pick. Long-snapper - I have no idea, but who cares? More importantly, I hope all 12 of them have to come up with excuses to bow out after a loss to the Pats in the AFCCG...

edit: PFF has Peters as its #3 CB, so maybe I’m just stuck with my historical impression of him and assumed he made it on a couple pick 6s...
 
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View: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1201956575163891719


Schefter also reporting Rivera fired.

Later tweet:
Panthers’ secondary coach Perry Fewell has been named Carolina’s interim HC. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner will transition to special assistant to the head coach, and quarterbacks coach Scott Turner will serve as offensive coordinator.
I don't think this was a good firing. He's clearly better than half the coaches in the NFL, IMHO.
 

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Jenkins and Suggs....Pouncey for the Walter Payton man of the year. The NFL is a thug league. Compare it to the NBA where Lebron has set the tone for a decade. Smart business man, seemingly great family man, who gives 100% effort to his craft. The difference between the character of players in the NBA versus the NFL/MLB is vast IMHO.
This is a bad take. There are a few thousand NFL players and a few hundred NBA players.

https://www.allprobailbond.com/blog/news/sports-and-crime-rates/
"Here is a breakdown of professional sports arrests in the last three years for violent or drug-related crimes:
• The NHL has the best-behaved players by a wide margin.
• Baseball players have the second-lowest arrest rate and few incidents of violent crime. MLB arrests are usually for DUI.
• The smallest league of the four major American sports is the NBA. But basketball players have the highest arrest record of the four, with domestic abuse topping the list of offenses.
• According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23.
• Hockey and baseball players have very few arrests for domestic violence; the NHL and MLB sometimes go for years without a single arrest for domestic issues.
• The NFL and NBA have the widest variety of charges—domestic abuse; assault and battery; DUI; reckless driving or behavior; and drug-related crimes."
 

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This is a bad take. There are a few thousand NFL players and a few hundred NBA players.

https://www.allprobailbond.com/blog/news/sports-and-crime-rates/
"Here is a breakdown of professional sports arrests in the last three years for violent or drug-related crimes:
• The NHL has the best-behaved players by a wide margin.
• Baseball players have the second-lowest arrest rate and few incidents of violent crime. MLB arrests are usually for DUI.
• The smallest league of the four major American sports is the NBA. But basketball players have the highest arrest record of the four, with domestic abuse topping the list of offenses.
• According to the FBI, the NFL arrest rate is 1 in 45. The national average for non-players is 1 in 23.
• Hockey and baseball players have very few arrests for domestic violence; the NHL and MLB sometimes go for years without a single arrest for domestic issues.
• The NFL and NBA have the widest variety of charges—domestic abuse; assault and battery; DUI; reckless driving or behavior; and drug-related crimes."
I agree; there is a lazy stereotyping that has gone on with the NFL players over the last several years. Yes, there are some terrible people in it, but by and large NFL players are at worse, neutral human beings and a lot of them are outstanding individuals who donate a lot of time and money to their communities. The idea that the league is a bunch of domestic abusers and rapists has become a really annoying take.
 

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You know who should have made the Pro Bowl? Julian fucking Edelman. On pace for 1200 yards and has been basically the only weapon on offense the year, which means he’s consistently being doubled. Hill, who has 400 less yards and played in 5 less games, made it over him. Whatta joke.
 

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You know who should have made the Pro Bowl? Julian fucking Edelman. On pace for 1200 yards and has been basically the only weapon on offense the year, which means he’s consistently being doubled. Hill, who has 400 less yards and played in 5 less games, made it over him. Whatta joke.
Yep...and it's matters, despite the game being a joke...years from now HOF voters will use the fact that JE did not make the Pro Bowl against him.
 

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You know who should have made the Pro Bowl? Julian fucking Edelman. On pace for 1200 yards and has been basically the only weapon on offense the year, which means he’s consistently being doubled. Hill, who has 400 less yards and played in 5 less games, made it over him. Whatta joke.
But Hill has a 2-0 in domestic violence.
 

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Seahawks are done. Carson likely done for the year with a hip injury, Penny already out for the year, #3 CJ Prosise done with a broken arm, leaving late round rookie draft pick Travis Homer as the #1 (and only at this point) and they are even calling back a few years to bring back Robert Turbin and/or Marshawn Lynch for help. Is Shaun Alexander still kicking around? Ricky Watters? Curt Warner?
 

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How can Lynch sign and play? What's the difference between he and the Pats doing the same with Gronk?
 

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But Gronk had to come back by week 14 in order to be eligible for the playoffs. Why would Lynch be eligible - or would he? Is just technically being a free agent sufficient? Could the Pats have extended the Gronk Clock by just technically releasing him before re-signing?
 

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Gronk was on the reserve retired list (forget actual name) so the Pats could retain his rights if he came back.

It requires him to come back from certain time to be eligible.

Lynch is a street free agent. Anyone can sign him.

There has to be ways to sign guys or injuries would completely kill a team in the playoffs by reducing the number of players on the team. Just think about it a second.