2019 NFL: Trade Deadline Thread

Jed Zeppelin

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Engram, from my somewhat limited knowledge isn’t a blocker. It’s not that he wouldn’t have a limited role on the team but he probably wouldn’t be a focal point. I’d pass on him. Don’t think he’s a good fit. I’d rather have a type like Dwayne Allen, someone who can block and be a seam buster.
My eyebrows shot up at the brief mention of Howard as a possibility. Same can't be said of Engram, though he is the better fantasy player I guess. Really more of a wide receiver, drops too many passes, and can disappear. To some degree you can thank the Giants offense and Eli for the latter. I like Engram but I watch him every week and with Watson in the fold I agree 100% with Allen or an Allen type as a better target. Knows the system, etc.
 

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My eyebrows shot up at the brief mention of Howard as a possibility. Same can't be said of Engram, though he is the better fantasy player I guess. Really more of a wide receiver, drops too many passes, and can disappear. To some degree you can thank the Giants offense and Eli for the latter. I like Engram but I watch him every week and with Watson in the fold I agree 100% with Allen or an Allen type as a better target. Knows the system, etc.
Agreed. Watson still looks like he has a little left in the tank. Engram is a clear upgrade but I’d rather hold onto the picks. Now, if Atlanta were to relent on Hooper, sign me up.
 

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Hmmm, O.J. Howard deal may not be dead after all? Per B/R:
Elsewhere, New England's push for Tampa Bay Buccaneers tight end O.J. Howard may not be over. After cutting then re-signing Benjamin Watson, it is clear that tight end is one of the few positions the Patriots could foreseeably upgrade.

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reported that Bill Belichick's organization is still interested in Howard, but it may pursue other options if Tampa Bay remains uncooperative.

View: https://twitter.com/JoeBucsFan/status/1187057743628263434
All signs point to Howard being available if the offer is right, though. Bruce Arians has remained steadfast in his view that Howard's lack of involvement is not the team's fault, and that was clear when he was asked about the absence of action in Week 7: "He dropped two balls last week."

While Arians may cite the game-flow and drops for Howard's disappearance, we're reaching the halfway point of the season, and the numbers are undeniable. After averaging six targets per game in 2018, Howard is getting just three this season.

There is a terrifying world in which the Patriots go into the second half of the year with James White, Julian Edelman, Mohamed Sanu and Howard rounding out the focal points of Tom Brady's passing attack.
After getting 39 (14 games) and 48 (10 games) targets, Howard has 18 in 6 games so far.
 

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What do we think a reasonable price is?

Pats give: 2020 1st

Bucs give: Howard/2020 4th

Something like that?
 

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What do we think a reasonable price is?

Pats give: 2020 1st

Bucs give: Howard/2020 4th

Something like that?
No way would I give a first round pick up for OJ Howard. Hes a good player not one who you give a first rounder up for.
 

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Worth noting that Howard can be under a team’s control under a rookie deal through 2021 if the acquiring team exercises the fifth year option (I would think that right doesn’t rest solely with the drafting team).

The salary value of the fifth year option for TE selected from picks 11-32 of the first round has been between 5.5-6M the last few years.

So, the Bucs may put a higher value on the guy since he’s legitimately a talented TE (and the league isn’t teeming with them), and he’s under constructive control for 2.5 seasons.
 

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No way would I give a first round pick up for OJ Howard. Hes a good player not one who you give a first rounder up for.
He was drafted #19 overall and still is young with multiple years of control. Highly doubt Tampa gives up on him for a mid round pick.
 

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If they take Bennett, whose contract probably has positive net value, plus a pick that represents most of the value, I'd be up for this. Otherwise I doubt the cap moves required would be worth it. Howard's full-season cap hit this year is $3.0, next year $3.5.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the same 2nd round pick that was used on Sanu was offered to the Bucs for Howard.

Given the cap situation, it seems like Bennett needs to be the next domino to fall before anything else can. Would be pretty cool to see Belichick pull off a super rare 3-team deal. Enough formers Pats personnel folks out there that it has a better than 0% chance. Every year it seems like the trade deadline gets a bit more exciting.
 

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Only $10k in cap space now and not many easy cap moves left. Bennett trade. Or Gordon and Bennett release, but that has to wait until after the trading deadline. And Bennett is somewhat risky because it's not certain he would get claimed.

I think the Patriots are done until after 10/29. They literally cannot do anything right now without a corresponding move. With a big Brady cap charge next year, and the possibility of a big AB cap charge next year, they already have a bit of a hole next year. It's hard to see them tacking more on.
 

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Only $10k in cap space now and not many easy cap moves left. Bennett trade. Or Gordon and Bennett release, but that has to wait until after the trading deadline. And Bennett is somewhat risky because it's not certain he would get claimed.
We don't need Bennett to be claimed to get some cap relief do we? We get his game check amounts back.
 

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We don't need Bennett to be claimed to get some cap relief do we? We get his game check amounts back.
Right -- I think Miguel has it as the difference between about $750k to waive outright with no claim and about $2 million plus if he gets claimed. So, definitely relief either way, but at just $750,000 savings you'd think they'd rather have the player unless he's totally become a distraction -- unless they are desperate for cap money.

Edit: Also, they have to take a cap charge for paying the player that takes his roster spot at least about $400k for the rest of the year, unless it's Wynn or Harry or Develin.
 

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Gruden has been saying he needs pass rushing help...but Carrier seems like a J.A.G. unless he's got a big rep as a blocker.
 

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At this point I'd be OK with trading Bennett to Oakland for @Gunfighter 09 given that the cap relief is what we need more than anything. We can find a TE, but creating cap flexibility has steadily narrowing options open to us.
 

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Unfortunately, they have very very little room to free up any more for this season. Could cut Nate Ebner and save a million. Maybe if they work out a Gordon settlement, they'd have just enough to grab Mack.

Hooper, they'd only need a million to add. He's a FA next year, so you have to figure Atlanta will move him.
 

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Unfortunately, they have very very little room to free up any more for this season. Could cut Nate Ebner and save a million. Maybe if they work out a Gordon settlement, they'd have just enough to grab Mack.

Hooper, they'd only need a million to add. He's a FA next year, so you have to figure Atlanta will move him.
Could extend Van Noy or restructure McCourty/Hightower.
 

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Is Trey Hopkins in Cincy any good? Might be a candidate for a center to acquire but I don’t fool myself into thinking I can judge linemen.
I just think any OL we could acquire at this stage is extremely hit or miss--we've traded for like 3 of them already this season.
 

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I just think any OL we could acquire at this stage is extremely hit or miss--we've traded for like 3 of them already this season.
I agree here. With the little current cap flexibility, the best way to keep pressure off Brady is to have enough weapons the defense is forced to account for them. If they can get to him bringing 4 and dropping 7, I doubt there is much you can do. But with the right weapons in place, every time they bring extra rushers should leave doubt in their mind they are gonna get burned.
 

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They’re not finding an OL worth a damn in the midseason trade market that would be better than what they’ve got.
Alex Mack >>>>>>>>>>>>Ted Karras

With Atlanta’s cap issues moving forward, I would definitely think Mack is in play on the market.
 

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OJ Howard out the week after a bye week with a random “hamstring injury.”
 

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OJ Howard out the week after a bye week with a random “hamstring injury.”
There goes my weekend. Probably a legit injury but would be great if they’re letting him nurse a minor injury prior to trade deadline.
 

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Alex Mack >>>>>>>>>>>>Ted Karras

With Atlanta’s cap issues moving forward, I would definitely think Mack is in play on the market.
I don't disagree, but how the hell do you propose the Patriots fitting him under the cap. His base salary is $8.5M, which I believe means the Patriots would need $4.5M in cap space for him (assuming he's acquired next week). They've already dumped Bennett and restructured Mason. I guess a McCourty (extension) or Hightower (restructure) would get it done, but that's about it.

Actually one more option would be for Mack to restructure his deal before the trade goes through. His current cap hit for next year $10.5M for a 34 year old center with $2.5M in dead cap.
 

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Two teams that could be busy as Tuesday's trade deadline approaches are the Cleveland Browns and New York Jets, sources told ESPN.
The Browns have been calling around the league, seeking help at offensive tackle, according to league sources. The Browns benched starting left tackle Greg Robinson for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots, with Justin McCray likely replacing Robinson -- for now.
Some sources believe Robinson's benching is a prelude to another move Cleveland could make before the deadline that would be an attempt to upgrade at left tackle.
The Jets have been receiving calls about defensive lineman Leonard Williams and wide receiver Robby Anderson, according to sources. The Cowboys were among the teams that called about Williams and expressed interest, but then they traded for former New England defensive lineman Michael Bennett, taking them out of the mix for Williams.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27936826/sources-browns-seek-help-ot-jets-get-calls-trade-deadline-approaches
Despite completing three separate trades in one day earlier this month, the Los Angeles Rams might not be done dealing before Tuesday's trade deadline.
The Rams still could be open to moving on from veteran players in the last year of their contracts as part of an effort to free up more money for a player like Jalen Ramsey, league sources told ESPN.
One prime candidate to be traded could be veteran cornerback Aqib Talib, who already turned down the chance to be traded last week, according to sources.
Although Talib was placed on injured reserve earlier this month because of fractured ribs, he is eligible to be traded and could return later this season to help a contender.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27884874/sources-rams-open-dealing-aqib-talib-other-veterans-free-payroll
 

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La Canfora (I know) floated Nate Solder back to the Pats. If I am looking at his contract correctly I think he would only cost $2.75M for the last 8 games, then the Pats could cut him prior to the new league year and they wouldn’t owe him a dime after.
 

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La Canfora (I know) floated Nate Solder back to the Pats. If I am looking at his contract correctly I think he would only cost $2.75M for the last 8 games, then the Pats could cut him prior to the new league year and they wouldn’t owe him a dime after.
He also floated the different WR and TE names we've all heard. I don't trust him or his sourcing.
 

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He also floated the different WR and TE names we've all heard. I don't trust him or his sourcing.
Yeah it sounded like his sources were other GMs thinking the Pats would make that move. Nothing from either the Pats or Giants directly. I was more just commenting on the implications / possibility.

All things equal I’d probably rather upgrade at C and hope that Wynn coming back helps the entire line (and that he can stay healthy). Alex Mack makes a ton of sense, but can he play well?
 

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Yeah it sounded like his sources were other GMs thinking the Pats would make that move. Nothing from either the Pats or Giants directly. I was more just commenting on the implications / possibility.

All things equal I’d probably rather upgrade at C and hope that Wynn coming back helps the entire line (and that he can stay healthy). Alex Mack makes a ton of sense, but can he play well?
He doesn’t need to play well to be a significant improvement.
 

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Neither does Solder. The only issue is that from what I've read, DeJesus would add a whole new wing to his collection of toast pictures when describing Solder's play.
 

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Sounds like Tampa may actually be considering a Howard deal. Previously, it was “absolutely not” but now they may at least be listening. Get it done, Theo.
 

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Sounds like Tampa may actually be considering a Howard deal. Previously, it was “absolutely not” but now they may at least be listening. Get it done, Theo.
Looks like Howard's base salary is essentially $1.5M, so I think the Patriots would only be on the hook for $780K for the remainder of the season and the Patriots currently have $2.8M of space even before Gordon gets waived in 2-3 weeks, so it should be no problem at all fitting him in under the cap. He's also on a very affordable $1.97M base salary next year.

So now the question is what would he cost. He was a 1st round pick just two years ago, and has put up pedestrian numbers missing a lot of time with injuries (14 games in 2017, 10 games in 2018). I think a 3rd would definitely get the deal done. It seems a little rich, but they currently have 3 (their own and compensation for Flowers and Trent Brown). They also have the Bears 4th round pick and not their own. Maybe the Bears 4th round and Broncos 6th round pick would get it done?
 

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You think a 3rd? I saw this and instantly thought "I wish we had used a 3rd on Sanu and still had our Second to dangle for Howard." Cest la vie.
If a 3rd can get it done all the better.

Hell I MIGHT consider a 1st+5th (or something) for Howard and the Bucs 2nd.