2019 Patriots: Post-SB Roster Thread

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It’s amazing because they’re STILL going to sneak up on people. The narrative going into the season will be another year older for Brady, Gronk retired, Flores left, and they didn’t pay Trey Flowers
Good points, but I think a lot of people are numb to Tom’s age at this point. OK, if the Pats put up a stinker early season like they have some years, including super bowl winning years, that narrative will start again.
 

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Push notification from Yahoo Sports that Sony Michel is running at full speed and progressing quickly.
 

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Having Gordon would completely flip this roster on its head. He immediately becomes a WR1 in fantasy and changes how the offense looks in a way that no FA or reasonable trade could do so at this point.
I love Gordon, and agree he would be superior to any FA move from a football perspective... but I gotta disagree with the bolded here.

NEP haven't produced a proper fantasy WR1 in years.

Even with Gronk gone, and even assuming he's "ONLY" suspended for Half a season and assuming he's reinstated (after this 395th infraction) IMO he's maybe a boom bust WR2. Great fun in best ball leagues if you can get him cheap. IMO betting on him to give more than 1-2 weeks of WR1 performance this season is folly. Last season he had one game with 15+ PPR points.
 
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I love Gordon, and agree he would be superior to any FA move from a football perspective... but I gotta disagree with the bolded here.

NEP haven't produced a proper fantasy WR1 in years.

Even with Gronk gone, and even assuming he's "ONLY" suspended for Half a season and assuming he's reinstated (after this 395th infraction) IMO he's maybe a boom bust WR2. Great fun in best ball leagues if you can get him cheap. IMO betting on him to give more than 1-2 weeks of WR1 performance this season is folly.
Gordon is a much better "real life" receiver than fantasy receiver at this point with the Patriots. His presence opens up the offense for other people, but he's not likely to put up eye-popping numbers. It's kind of like Gronk last year. Him being out there impacted *everything* the Patriots did, and that's one reason he was so incredibly valuable, even if his stats weren't off the charts.
 

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Gordon is a much better "real life" receiver than fantasy receiver at this point with the Patriots. His presence opens up the offense for other people, but he's not likely to put up eye-popping numbers. It's kind of like Gronk last year. Him being out there impacted *everything* the Patriots did, and that's one reason he was so incredibly valuable, even if his stats weren't off the charts.
Agreed 100%.

Hell, If you told me we could have him from the BYE on through the playoffs, I'd take it. IMO we're 6-3 or 7-2 heading into the BYE this season.

He'd be an incredible tool down the stretch and though the games that matter (Postseason).
 

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That said, he had an 8 game stretch in NE with 35 catches for 619 yards. That ain't bad.
 

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That said, he had an 8 game stretch in NE with 35 catches for 619 yards. That ain't bad.
I agree, 70/1200/3 pace is solid and I'd gladly take that from him in the 2H this season. Those are decent WR2 and great WR3 numbers in fantasy. Unfortunately if you'd have started him you were much more likely to get WR3-4 production out of him than WR1. Purely speaking from a fantasy perspective, Gordon is persona non grata... especially given there's almost always at least one fan in the league willing to draft him based on his '13 numbers from half a decade ago.

As a tool in Brady's arsenal to use when it makes sense... he's a potential game changer and would fill an offensive gap that, to my eyes, nobody on the current NEP roster can fill.

IMO I see NEP using their backfield even MORE heavily this year.... Michel and Harris being picked early tips their hand a bit toward that trend. Another case of zigging when the rest of the league is overcompensating with their zags. :)
 

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Well, he's referencing fantasy football, which is likely 12-14 teams....so being around 10th-12th in yards with low TDs and "only" 70 catches is more a WR2...
 

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I love Gordon, and agree he would be superior to any FA move from a football perspective... but I gotta disagree with the bolded here.

NEP haven't produced a proper fantasy WR1 in years.

Even with Gronk gone, and even assuming he's "ONLY" suspended for Half a season and assuming he's reinstated (after this 395th infraction) IMO he's maybe a boom bust WR2. Great fun in best ball leagues if you can get him cheap. IMO betting on him to give more than 1-2 weeks of WR1 performance this season is folly. Last season he had one game with 15+ PPR points.
He's Randy Moss 2.0 if he's playing 16 games. Plain and simple. He's the most gifted WR that TB has played with since Moss in 07. If you don't think they'll lean HEAVY on a healthy and full involved Gordon you're crazy. His numbers over a full season of 1200 yards were after basically not playing football for the most part of 4 seasons. And yet.... he still did that. Give him an offseason to train with Tom and we're talking about Josh Gordon here. He'll be a WR1 if he actually plays (which I doubt he does!) even 14 games.
 

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SOS (one of my new favorite YT channels) has Pats going back to the Super Bowl:

Sites the ease of schedule, new offseason additions, and other reasons for the (not-so-hot) take.
I don't really get some of this points though. For example, he says they got better on defense by adding Michael Bennett but makes no mention of losing Flowers, and then more or less calls Lawrence Taylor a lineman.
 

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He's Randy Moss 2.0 if he's playing 16 games. Plain and simple. He's the most gifted WR that TB has played with since Moss in 07. If you don't think they'll lean HEAVY on a healthy and full involved Gordon you're crazy. His numbers over a full season of 1200 yards were after basically not playing football for the most part of 4 seasons. And yet.... he still did that. Give him an offseason to train with Tom and we're talking about Josh Gordon here. He'll be a WR1 if he actually plays (which I doubt he does!) even 14 games.
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He wasn’t on pace for 1200, he was on pace for 58rec for 1050 yds and 4.4 TDS (NE #’s extrapolated go 16G - That’s 188pts or WR27... barely a WR3)

I'll just leave these stats here:

Moss w/ Brady: 21ppg (avg over 32 games)
Gordon w/ Brady: 11.8ppg (avg over 11 games)

"But Gordon needs time to Jive with Brady"

Moss Year 1 w/ Brady: 24.1ppg (His peak with NE)
Gordon Year 1 w/ Brady: 11.8ppg

"But Gordon hadn't been playing"
He'd had 10 MONTHS (6 game weeks + healthy offseason) to shake the rust off
Moss was coming off 3 years of career low utilization (50.3rec/yr)

Moss was a legit constent CAREER baller:
Moss career: 17.9ppg (21ppg w/ Brady - +3.1ppg)
9 Seasons w/ Double Digit TDs, 10 seasons with 1000+ yds

Gordon had one stellar year over half a decade ago, and has been mediocre outside that:
Gordon outside peak year: 9.5ppg (11.8ppg w/ Brady - +2.3ppg)
ZERO seasons w/ Double Digit TDs, 1 season with 1000+ yds

Moss was a TD Machine his entire career, Gordon never has been:
8.6% of Gordon's career receptions were for TD's (7.5% under Brady - caught 17.6% of Brady's total TD passes)
15.8% of Moss's career receptions were for TDs (19.3% under Brady - caught 46% of Brady's total TD passes)

This isn't even to get into the fact that the New England offense has fundamentally changed, and continues to trend toward a more balanced offense, and Josh Gordon is over half a decade removed from being considered a WR1, let alone a transcendent one like Moss. Then factor in the current suspension, as well as the extraordinarily high risk of RE-Suspension, again... IF he's even activated...

Gordon provides exceptional real world NFL value to Brady if he can play (and I hope he does, but Gordon is fantasy fools gold outside a late round flier.

He has a fantasy ADP right now that puts him in the 17th round in PPR... paying more than a 15th round pick for him is insane, and even then only if you have deep rosters or an IR/Inactive slot you can stash him in.
 
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