I love ya DDB, but there's a whole lot of discussion on this in the Special Teams thread.
2019 Pats: In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion
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...or I can change the thread title to "In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion Except When Your Kicker is Hurt and Required a New Thread to Cover All the Panic".
A little surprised nobody's mentioned reacquiring former Brady-circle-of-trust member Chris Hogan as a potential WR depth piece.
But turns out it's too late for that anyway...
View: https://twitter.com/PanthersMax/status/1179493977495670785
But turns out it's too late for that anyway...
View: https://twitter.com/PanthersMax/status/1179493977495670785
I think your number one moderating priority should be "what do I need to do today to not let DDB make himself look like an idiot," so I'm all for it.
As many have posited, Richards will be ST and emergency safety only. The idea that he’s even remotely in the same category as previous returning Patriots (Chung, Collins and others) is ridiculous on its face, esp given those other players PRODUCED while they were here the first time, even if they may have been MORE productive the second time around.
Gordon added to the injury report. Knee wrapped. Yikes, this is getting ugly.
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1179503892809297925
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1179503892809297925
Yes, exactly. Our 4th CB right now is JC Jackson and our 5th is a highly regarded second round pick who can barely get on the field because of the depth in front of him. Our 4th safety is Terrence Books, known as an ST guy but one who got some good press for his play in the regular defense during camp.
Richards isn't coming here to take defensive snaps.
So today is the Watson deadline? After yesterday it feels like he's seriously iffy roster add and they might just ride out the season with Izzo/LaCosse. It seemed like yesterday's gameplan emphasized the TE's in both the pass game and the run game and all in all they did OK. Izzo had a really nice crack back block on a nice Sony run to the left which really stood out to me. Watson may be too behind the eight ball both age wise and being up to speed in the offense in general to get added at this point in the season.
Cutting Watson gains us almost $2 million in cap space.
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1181218636821909504
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1181218636821909504
So, reading the tea leaves: is the decision not to activate Watson for this past weekend combined with running out of more 2 TE sets and a number of passes to Izzo and Lacosse the Pats’ way of trying to decide if Watson’s $2M in cap space would be better used on the OL or a WR?
Apologies if this is obvious to everyone else. It wasn’t to me until now.
Dwayne Allen, signed during the bye week, seems like an obvious candidate to come back and be the blocking hammer. Vet min, half season or so, should come in under $500k. Right in time for Eagles/Cowboys/Texans/Chiefs.
The TE production has obviously been minimal. But it's been pretty efficient.
LaCosse: 6 targets, 3 rec, 55 yds, 0 td
Izzo: 5 targets, 4 rec, 83 yds, 1 td
TOT: 11 targets, 7 receptions (63.6%), 138 yds, 19.7 ypc, 1 td
Brady's QB passer rating targeting these two guys: 137.5
So there's not a lot of effort put into throwing to the TEs, but when they do go there, the results are very good. Maybe they'll grow into more of an option for Brady, as opposed to a "let's catch them completely by surprise" kind of play.
LaCosse: 6 targets, 3 rec, 55 yds, 0 td
Izzo: 5 targets, 4 rec, 83 yds, 1 td
TOT: 11 targets, 7 receptions (63.6%), 138 yds, 19.7 ypc, 1 td
Brady's QB passer rating targeting these two guys: 137.5
So there's not a lot of effort put into throwing to the TEs, but when they do go there, the results are very good. Maybe they'll grow into more of an option for Brady, as opposed to a "let's catch them completely by surprise" kind of play.
What is his injury status? He was released by the Dolphins during pre-season for an undisclosed injury and I haven't been able to find any information about how serious the injury was. If he's fully healthy around that time though I wouldn't be shocked if the Patriots did this, assuming they don't make other moves earlier in the season.
News report from Aug 31 said he had off-season knee surgery and was recovering.
how did we go from "good TE1 option with Gronk retiring" to "busted for PEDs" to now maybe retiring? I do not believe in LaCosse or Izzo against actual NFL teams.
Lacosse played 72 of 77 snaps. Pats signed him fairly early in free agency. He's finally healthy. I can see it.
Does this mean AB can wear #84 now...?
In all seriousness, there has to be some trades getting lined up, but I'd expect some slight extensions to happen if we're getting anyone big ticket.
Volin is saying he got a concussion in preseason. was not aware of that.
View: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1181296997950771202
View: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1181296997950771202
It happened fairly blatantly in the Carolina
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1164691880946425856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1164691880946425856&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fus%2Fnfl%2Fnews%2Feric-reids-late-hit-ben-watson-twitter%2F1n2j3lxt6j60x1ssxr8hm13652
I wonder if they had more cap space if they would have found a way to make it work. Given the OL's issues especially run blocking, $2 million seems cheap to shore that up with a decent run blocking tight end even if he never catches a pass.
I think if the Patriots had $10 million space, he stays. But they just are cutting it too fine this year and the value of $2 million in cap space is greater when you have next to nothing left to get through the year. Fucking AB is just the gift that keeps giving.
If the Patriots are going to get where they want to be this year it may very well involve getting through Baltimore and Kansas City -- both teams that can be beaten with good run blocking. I'm not sure that there's anything else out there in the $2 million range that fortifies that area quite the same as we could have hoped from Watson, but I guess Bill doesn't think he's the answer.
I think if the Patriots had $10 million space, he stays. But they just are cutting it too fine this year and the value of $2 million in cap space is greater when you have next to nothing left to get through the year. Fucking AB is just the gift that keeps giving.
If the Patriots are going to get where they want to be this year it may very well involve getting through Baltimore and Kansas City -- both teams that can be beaten with good run blocking. I'm not sure that there's anything else out there in the $2 million range that fortifies that area quite the same as we could have hoped from Watson, but I guess Bill doesn't think he's the answer.
View: https://twitter.com/benjaminswatson/status/1181300618906001409?s=21
Edit: would seem to suggest he’s not retiring, or at least that wasn’t the basis for the Pats’ decision.
Edit: would seem to suggest he’s not retiring, or at least that wasn’t the basis for the Pats’ decision.
I love the sentiment but I bet Watson could earn a roster spot if he was willing to play for the vet minimum.
He's like the best non-Gronk run blocking tight end out there when he's healthy. But, we have no idea what he'd sign for and we have no idea if he is healthy I think.
Why are you suggesting Watson is a better run blocker than LaCosse or Izzo? My understanding is that, well, he's not. Not at this stage of his career anyway.
He signed a 2 year, $7M deal. $3.5M per season. Watson saves $2M. 10 games of Allen would cost right around $2M by this math. If the Pats want Allen they can get him.
Disappointing. Every direction from which I think receiving help is coming ends up not coming. :|
Isn't he a free agent? So he could cost less than that... assuming he's healthy, of course
Right. I just meant that was his market when he signed.
Edit: he apparently did have a lingering knee injury from the 2018 season that he was dealing with this summer