2019 Pats: In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion

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I'm sure they're off for a few days, so I don't think we'll hear anything unless some beat writer sees him at the facility.
Wouldn't we usually hear something along the lines of 'Gordon going for MRI' or 'Gordon going for second opinion' though? Seems like imaging gets mentioned almost no matter what.

Which I am hoping my supposition is true and thus good news.
 

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Have to think Lacosse might go on IR too. Bedard said he could barely walk in the locker room last night.
 

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Ryan Izzo, fullback. Might be worth it to bring Watson back.
The one thing he is terrible at is blocking. Why move him to a role where blocking is even more critical?

I bet we see more of Bolden as a lead blocker in two RB lineups. And we saw 6 OLinemen a few times last night. I bet we see more of that. The old "steamroll the Colts" gameplan.
 

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Has any study ever been done on the rate of injuries suffered in Thursday night games
 

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The one thing he is terrible at is blocking. Why move him to a role where blocking is even more critical?

I bet we see more of Bolden as a lead blocker in two RB lineups. And we saw 6 OLinemen a few times last night. I bet we see more of that. The old "steamroll the Colts" gameplan.
He wasn't bad as a straight ahead blocker on LBs in the few snaps he was in that role last night. He was bad setting the edge because he's not quick enough to stay with DE's or OLBs. Bolden as a fullback isn't a bad idea either.
 

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I thought Johnson was starting to look like he could do a passable job of replacing Develin.

I get the feeling that if Ben Watson was the solution, he would not have been cut in the first place.
 

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I thought Johnson was starting to look like he could do a passable job of replacing Develin.

I get the feeling that if Ben Watson was the solution, he would not have been cut in the first place.
Watson might not have been a solution to the problem "can we get someone better than LaCosse / Izzo?" but he might be the solution to the problem "who can we get now that we are down to one healthy FB / TE?"
 

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I thought Johnson was starting to look like he could do a passable job of replacing Develin.

I get the feeling that if Ben Watson was the solution, he would not have been cut in the first place.
It's a different question now.
 

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At this point we need bodies. We can survive with no TE, a super thin pool of WR without a ton of experience, no FB, and a weak OL, not all of the above. Frankly, any more than 2 of those and I think we are in serious trouble.

Wondering if Atlanta would be willing to part with Sanu and Keith Smith in a package deal.
 

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I though he was a glorified scout team QB to keep the defense honest in practice when prepping for the athletic QBs we face? Is he more than that?
He was a QB in college but as far as I know he is a TE now, I read some people(on here I believe) speculate he could be a scout team QB but I certainly haven’t seen anything official that is what he is doing.
 

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He was a QB in college but as far as I know he is a TE now, I read some people(on here I believe) speculate he could be a scout team QB but I certainly haven’t seen anything official that is what he is doing.
And even if he's a TE I cannot imagine he's going to be much of a blocking TE.
 
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The one thing he is terrible at is blocking. Why move him to a role where blocking is even more critical?

I bet we see more of Bolden as a lead blocker in two RB lineups. And we saw 6 OLinemen a few times last night. I bet we see more of that. The old "steamroll the Colts" gameplan.
I saw him miss a couple blocks last night, it was a relatively poor showing for him, but “the one thing he is terrible at” is decidedly NOT blocking. Overall, Izzo is quite a good blocker. That’s his thing. I wouldn’t mind putting him at FB if desperate, though I have no idea if that’s as easy a transition as it may seem.
 

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Why is the thought to put TE’s at FB? Aren’t the prototypical body types and skill sets quite different?
 

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Not really. Develin and Johnson were both about 6’-3” 255, which isn’t far off from many TEs. And many FBs and blocking TEs end up tasked with blocking the same players on the D.
Harry (6’4”) and Gordon (6’3”) both similar height but top out at 225lbs. Amazing the difference those 30 pounds make.
 

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Harry (6’4”) and Gordon (6’3”) both similar height but top out at 225lbs. Amazing the difference those 30 pounds make.
It's a huge difference in strength and mass. Hitting a linebacker in the hole at full speed at 255 sucks, but doing it at 225 really sucks bad. And unlike a 225# RB, you can't spin move a guy. Your job in that role is to stick people. You just can't do that when giving away 30#.
 

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I had no idea Develin was 6’3. I thought most of those dudes were bowling ball, under 6’ types. It makes more sense now.
 

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Can’t believe Jakob is done. He was legit. Christ.
This sucked. He didn't look like a practice squad player who just got called up, nevermind an international player with just a few years of playing football, period.

Hope Devlin comes back next year but if he calls it a career, I'm very much looking forward to the Jakob Johnson era starting in 2020.
 

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It's a huge difference in strength and mass. Hitting a linebacker in the hole at full speed at 255 sucks, but doing it at 225 really sucks bad. And unlike a 225# RB, you can't spin move a guy. Your job in that role is to stick people. You just can't do that when giving away 30#.
Izzo and LaCosse are both 255 but 6’-5” and 6’-6” respectively.
Bolden, OTOH is a puny 5’-11” 220 by comparison so maybe not a good choose for FB. (Burk is even smaller at 5’-10” 215.)
 

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Izzo and LaCosse are both 255 but 6’-5” and 6’-6” respectively.
Bolden, OTOH is a puny 5’-11” 220 by comparison so maybe not a good choose for FB. (Burk is even smaller at 5’-10” 215.)
It seems odd that, with everyone who plays football and isn't currently on an NFL roster as a pool of candidates, the Pats can't find someone who runs fast towards the line and hits someone.

Maybe an OL (or even a DL, like Develin once was) from the CFL? They run quite a lot more/further than their NFL counterparts.
 

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Izzo and LaCosse are both 255 but 6’-5” and 6’-6” respectively.
Bolden, OTOH is a puny 5’-11” 220 by comparison so maybe not a good choose for FB. (Burk is even smaller at 5’-10” 215.)
Izzo looks much larger than LoCosse.
I m hopeful that, TE aside, Wynn's return will make a big difference to the offense. Let Newhouse be the 6th lineman/TE that Cam Fleming used to do. I *think* he could handle that.
 

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Dwayne Allen. #89 -. TE. HT: WT: 6' 4" 260 ...Just saying.
He's definitely an option and there's some buzz out there about the Pats bringing him back. But he was waived by Miami because of an injury settlement so is he healthy enough?

I also wonder how disappointed the Pats were to lose UDFA Andrew Beck - and if they'd look into getting him back from the 1-4 Broncos since he knows the Pats system some? He's a block-first hybrid TE/FB who's also fast for these positions. He was presumably headed to the Pat's practice squad if not claimed, and I even wonder if he was next in line (before Johnson) to replace Develin. I just read a recent positive review of him as a blocker and receiver in Denver.
 

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He's definitely an option and there's some buzz out there about the Pats bringing him back. But he was waived by Miami because of an injury settlement so is he healthy enough?

I also wonder how disappointed the Pats were to lose UDFA Andrew Beck - and if they'd look into getting him back from the 1-4 Broncos since he knows the Pats system some? He's a block-first hybrid TE/FB who's also fast for these positions. He was presumably headed to the Pat's practice squad if not claimed, and I even wonder if he was next in line (before Johnson) to replace Develin. I just read a recent positive review of him as a blocker and receiver in Denver.
He would be someone to definitely consider for FB. This was from a NFL combine analysis
Overview
Beck is an assignment-based H-back who offers more value as a run blocker than a pass catcher. Although he was rarely asked to handle true fullback duties, he might have just enough athletic ability to handle lead-blocking duties in space. His journey to training camp will likely come via the undrafted route.
Strengths
  • Two time team captain
  • Squat rack is his friend with thick bubble and compact frame
  • Powerful legs to drive linebackers out of the lane
  • Patient before accelerating into target and running feet to sustain
Also of note would be the Jets 4th round pick TE Trevon Wesco.
Overview
Wesco has the play strength and toughness of an NFL tight end, but he's still very raw in the passing game, which could take some time to shore up. He has a terrific demeanor as a run-blocker and the footwork to become much more consistent in sustaining blocks once he gets his hand placement corrected. Teams might view him as an early developmental prospect on the practice squad with a chance to compete for a move tight end spot in the future.
Strengths
  • Burly upper body with a broad chest and thick arms
  • Nasty with an offensive lineman's demeanor as a block-finisher
  • Impressive play strength at point of attack
  • Gets early arm extension and peppers his opponent with stiff jabs
  • Has size and aggression to kick out linebackers and open a run lane
  • Trusted to handle pass-protection duties for star quarterback
  • Capable staying in front of edge rushers and blitzers
He is currently 4th on their depth chart at TE but unlikely that the Jets want to trade with the Pats at least until after the next Jets/Pats game.
 

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I hate the idea of giving up anything of value for a FB. There isn't much difference between a very good FB and an okay FB. They could sign someone off a practice squad pretty easily like Blasingame from MIN an undersized TE or maybe even Nall from CHI. Or, more likely, bring in someone off the streets to the PS to get acclimated and go with Bolden in the open field and someone like Simon or Ferentz at the goal line.
 

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Winovich played some TE in college as a sophomore. A while back I predicted he might get some run in the red zone as the new Vrabel. Pats might have no choice but to try him now. He certainly gathered in the blocked punt successfully.
 

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Winovich played some TE in college as a sophomore. A while back I predicted he might get some run in the red zone as the new Vrabel. Pats might have no choice but to try him now. He certainly gathered in the blocked punt successfully.
Bedard suggested Elandon Roberts at fullback, who seems to fit the profile of someone who is good at running full speed into holes and hitting someone.