In the 2000 season, Matt Stover made 35 FGs out of 39 attempts (longest of 51) and made all of his extra points (before it was moved back, of course). In the playoffs, he made 6 out of 8 and also perfect on the XP.
2019 Pats ST: Ain't Afraid of No Ghost
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It was more an emotional vent that I should have probably written and deleted instead of actually posting. You bring up good points that I'm making a lot of assumptions there. It's confirmed that Ghost is done for the season so this doesn't affect the who is coming back discussion anyway.
Matt Bryant soaks up a lot of your Stefon Diggs/Larry Fitzgerald/Mookie Betts rainy day fund.
Not sure I read the over-the-cap info right so check the link...
1.5M guaranteed this year, and a dead cap number of 1.33M. Of course acquiring him now should mean that's prorated down for ~25% of the season.
I would be very much on board with this, acknowledging I don't understand the finances so good.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/atlanta-falcons/
Not sure I read the over-the-cap info right so check the link...
1.5M guaranteed this year, and a dead cap number of 1.33M. Of course acquiring him now should mean that's prorated down for ~25% of the season.
I would be very much on board with this, acknowledging I don't understand the finances so good.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/atlanta-falcons/
Does Ghost to IR free up cap space (assuming they sign a replacement whose salary’s is a fraction of his, which is a pretty safe assumption )?
A little more cap info from over-the-cap on Gostkowski, Bryant, and another possibility -- Denver's Brandon McManus.
2019 Cap Charge:
Gost: 3.05M
Bryant: 2.13M
McManus: 4.0M
https://overthecap.com/player/stephen-gostkowski/1246/https://overthecap.com/player/matt-bryant/822/https://overthecap.com/player/brandon-mcmanus/2672/
2019 Cap Charge:
Gost: 3.05M
Bryant: 2.13M
McManus: 4.0M
https://overthecap.com/player/stephen-gostkowski/1246/https://overthecap.com/player/matt-bryant/822/https://overthecap.com/player/brandon-mcmanus/2672/
I'd rather see if Forbath wants to take about a million and have a chance to kick for a ring.
The good news is that with both of them, you never have to make a decision on whether or not to kick from 50+ anymore. You just don't. I'd rather have Forbath, Nugent is no bueno.
Curran:
And if you’ve been watching PATs and field goals through the cracks between your fingers for the past three seasons with Stephen Gostkowski doing the kicking, chances are good you are about to start covering your eyes completely.
The kicking devil you knew was almost assuredly better than the kicking devil you didn’t know. Especially when the leaves fall, the wind howls and the snow piles up.
And if you’ve been watching PATs and field goals through the cracks between your fingers for the past three seasons with Stephen Gostkowski doing the kicking, chances are good you are about to start covering your eyes completely.
The kicking devil you knew was almost assuredly better than the kicking devil you didn’t know. Especially when the leaves fall, the wind howls and the snow piles up.
Nugent did kick 6 out of 6 (52 longest) in 2018 with the Raiders. His season had him play for Chicago & Dallas with 11 out 13 kicks made.
Forbath was 6 of 9 from 50+ 2 years ago, and 61% for career. Nugent is 43% from long range, so yeah...
Hard Knocks Through the Uprights: The insider documentary on the Thunderdome-esque tournament to claim the role of "Patriots kicker for the rest of 2019"
Take my money.
Take my money.
I heard on the radio yesterday that Bailey was the #4 placekicker coming out of high school (#6 punter). if, and that's a BIG if, Bailey can placekick effectively in the NFL, the Pats could bring back Ryan Allen. Allen is a decent punter, but more importantly is an experienced holder who has worked with Cardona. I doubt Bill goes that way, but it might be an option that is a little more likely than going with Carly Lloyd.
We would downgrade our punting and likely our PK from a league average guy because in-season is no way to figure out of the kid that PK'd in HS can still do it.
And, if he could PK, wouldn't it be more like BB to simply have him do both and save a roster spot?
The devil we know is injured? Obviously you take Gost over an unknown. He's hurt. This is a critically stupid take.
I feel like in Foxboro after October we are going for it or punting on 6 of 10 from outside the 35 anyway w Ghost...that probably becomes 8 now.
Schefter:
Either they were all lousy today or someone else high on their list couldn't physically get to Foxboro until tomorrow?
Cross-posted from the Tottenham Hotspur thread, because at least it's more likely than Carly Lloyd:
View: https://twitter.com/HKane/status/889575732514574338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E889575732514574338&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%23889575732514574338
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The way the Spurs are playing right now, I say definitely a higher probability than Lloyd.
Plus, given Kane's love for Brady and the Pats he just may play for free:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnm4q8RTEII
If thats where he was going, I dont think thats true at all. Yes, the Twitter and sports radio loud mouths may have, but I'd venture to say 75% of Pats fans absolutely recognized that a healthy Gost has earned the right to try to work his stuff out, at least for a couple more weeks.
I would love Carli Lloyd to get a shot with a team some day, but mid season for a team with super bowl aspirations is not it.
You think so? I'd put it below the 50% barrier. Maybe 75% of the more well informed fan base (i.e., SoSH). But the general fandom I would put somewhere in the 20-40% range of wanting to keep him. It's a moot point anyway.
Including preseason, Gost was 30 of 38 on kicks this year. That's... not good.
Bill seems to view kickoffs as a not-insignificant part of the kicker's job in addition to field goals. He's in a beggars can't be choosers situation now so he may have to abandon that, but it might mean it takes more than a day or two to find a guy he is good with. When we're good we do score a lot of touchdowns so you need a guy who can make lots of kickoffs well each year!
Fair point. Maybe I'm thinking more in terms if the more informed folks.
And you are correct, not good. Wondering what the exact nature of this injury is and if its something that he felt but was playing through, or something that emerged in an examination just this week.
According to Giardi, the hip has been an issue since the summer:
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1179486070033076229?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1179486070033076229?s=20
That’s what I got out of it. I don’t think people really understand how good we have it with Ghost. I imagine most teams would kill for our stability at kicker.
Much like you can't judge the pulse of fandom by SoSH, you also can't judge it by talk radio. We are the yin to their yang.
My connections are SSS, but the two people among my many Pat fan acquaintances who advocated for dumping SG were the same two chicken little people who believe all of the 98.5 nonsense. Nobody else was pinging me to discuss Ghost replacements.
No idea where most fall on that spectrum, but it wasn't getting a lot of attention in my world.
The fact that he's injured actually makes me much more optimistic about him coming back after 2020 and kicking at his usual proficiency. Between idiotkicker's analysis of his mechanics and this injury news I think we have an explanation for this year. He's been a fantastic kicker. He was 49 for 50 in extra points attempted last year. The weirdness of missing a few in the playoffs is most likely small sample sized noise that just takes on magnified significance. This has been a great player for the Patriots and at least the possibility that all could be well when he returns next year and into years to come is grounds for a silver lining in today's shitty news cloud.
It's going to be really fucking weird to see someone else kicking balls for the rest of the this year. It has basically been two kickers for 23 years. When Graham kicked in 2010 it didn't seem as weird because Gostkowski had only been on the team for a few years. But now it's just not going to seem right. 23 years is a long long time in sports.
Bailey should do the kickoffs as well as punting (he is able) and someone that comes in can just focus on making field goals.
More names in the kicking tryouts including Blair Walsh:
View: http://twitter.com/cpriceNFL/status/1179509477541912581
View: http://twitter.com/cpriceNFL/status/1179509477541912581
With it coming out his hip has been problematic going back to summer, are the Pats facing any type of fine or anything since he hasn't been in the injury report at all?
Not if he was a full participant in practice and never in danger of missing a game.
Wash has talent but I really don’t want that track record. We are known for close big games
my first reaction was ah, that's why he was sucking. but there's a real chance he was healthy but was hurt on this play:
View: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1179519906208997378
View: https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1179519906208997378
Here comes the Nuge!
Watching a team without a solid kicker is white knuckle stuff. We've been spoiled for a long time.
Watching a team without a solid kicker is white knuckle stuff. We've been spoiled for a long time.