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They got 13 outs from Price. The outs have to come from somewhere. Every team in the majors has a Brewer on their team. He’s the last guy in the pen until they make an upgrade. In a perfect world Wright is healthy and productive but it just isn’t happening.
Tampa put their "Brewer" in last night in a huge spot. 7th inning, runners at 1st and 2nd, two out, red-hot Benintendi up. They bring in Poche, who sports a nifty 6.39 era. Four pitch strikeout of Benny.
 

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Someone has to pitch the 2nd inning when the starter can't make it that far.
Right but why not just use Hernandez in that spot? Yes he isn't much better than Brewer but its also been a SSS. Brewer has been garbage all season. I'd at least rather see what we have with him.
 

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Lousy trade for SD.

Fangraphs on Trammell:

In return for threading this particular needle, the Reds will have to part with their best prospect, outfielder Taylor Trammell. There’s no doubt it hurts to lose Trammell, but if you’re keeping up with prospect lists using THE BOARD, you’ll notice a scary red arrow next to Trammell’s name. Trammell is still young, turning 22 in a couple of months, but his Double-A season, which features a .236/.350/.338 line (that slugging percentage is not a typo), is a serious black mark on his prospect résumé. My colleague Eric Longenhagen will go into greater detail on Trammell’s profile later, but ZiPS’s has edged down his previous prime outlook of .260/.340/.420 lines with 15 homers a year into the .720-.730 OPS range. That’s not enough if he doesn’t stick in center field, and given that the Reds have nearly exclusively played him in left field, it seems that center wouldn’t have been an option in Cincinnati. Trammell’s only real contribution in 2019 has been walks and prospects who get a huge chunk of their value from walks have a poor history.
 

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Brewer didn't exactly give up a bomb last night, a wall-scraper that's probably an out everywhere else. No worse a sin than the loogy (in this situation anyway) Taylor giving up a hit to the only guy he faced and Walden walking someone with 2 outs to begin with.

That said, given the situation, I would have a better righty in to get 4 outs; that one and the next three.
 

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How many pages can we clutter the trade deadline thread with discussion on the 12th pitcher in the Sox pen?
 

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McAdam's latest at BSJ:

“It sounds like they’ll do something,” said an evaluator from another team, “because you hear that they’re talking to a lot of teams. And I think it’s (Dave) Dombrowski’snature to make some kind of move. But I don’t think it will be anything dramatic.”

Similar sentiments were echoed by others: the Sox have inquired about enough different relievers that they’re bound to end up with someone.

But unlike Monday, when it seemed like the Sox were intent on doing something of significance, their sights have been lowered. Instead of Diaz, think: Toronto’s Daniel Hudson, Baltimore’s Mychal Givens or Arizona’s Andrew Chafin.
 

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Lousy trade for SD.

Fangraphs on Trammell:
All depends on whose evaluation you believe.

Keith Law: The San Diego Padres look like the biggest winners here, though that's assuming Taylor Trammell is the player we saw the past two years and not the guy who has had a disappointing season as a 21-year-old in Double-A this year.
 

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any bullpen addition is going to barely help as long as the rotation is so inconsistent, as Speier pointed out this morning. yuck.
 

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In the last week, the reliever that most intrigued the Red Sox has been LHP Will Smith, with multiple scouts watching him. But the Sox found the asking price for a rental - Smith is a free agent this fall - was too high.
--Sean McAdam
 

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In the last week, the reliever that most intrigued the Red Sox has been LHP Will Smith, with multiple scouts watching him. But the Sox found the asking price for a rental - Smith is a free agent this fall - was too high.
--Sean McAdam
I hate reading things like this. It always sounds as though they'd be happier getting a worse option. If you're trying to win, get the best player you can get
 

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I hate reading things like this. It always sounds as though they'd be happier getting a worse option. If you're trying to win, get the best player you can get
So there should be no price that's too high to pay?
 

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I hate reading things like this. It always sounds as though they'd be happier getting a worse option. If you're trying to win, get the best player you can get
The resources are not infinite, the cupboard is close to bare, and you also have to figure trying to win in the following years, not just this one.
 

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any bullpen addition is going to barely help as long as the rotation is so inconsistent, as Speier pointed out this morning. yuck.
The rotation has been weak, and it's probably due for one of its members to go out with an injury again. Unfortunately, there's really no good 6th starter option right now to plug into the rotation if needed.
 

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I don't think I said that. But if we're talking about a LH reliever who will be a FA, you're not talking about a major outlay
Unless you are, as McAdam suggests.
Maybe SF is insisting on Chavis or Casas or some such nonsense.
 

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Unless you are, as McAdam suggests.
Maybe SF is insisting on Chavis or Casas or some such nonsense.
McAdam is saying the Sox think the price is too high. We don't know whether "too high" in the Sox opinion is Casas, or something that would be considered much less.
 

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McAdam is saying the Sox think the price is too high. We don't know whether "too high" in the Sox opinion is Casas, or something that would be considered much less.
So since we don't know, you are just going to assume the Sox would be happier with the worst option?
 

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Maybe the Sox have Lucchino primed to come out of exile and talk about the high price of milk this afternoon.
 

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All depends on whose evaluation you believe.

Keith Law: The San Diego Padres look like the biggest winners here, though that's assuming Taylor Trammell is the player we saw the past two years and not the guy who has had a disappointing season as a 21-year-old in Double-A this year.
Well sure but there's also the other guy who's only 24 and was 12th in the NL in SLG (Now the 7th best SLG in the AL). Reyes isn't a perfect player by any means, but shit that is not a gamble I would have made. If I were a Padres fan I'd be pissed.

Granted, Law certainly knows more about Trammell than me, but a lot of these prospect guys get googly eyes for certain players. He definitely has impressive OBP and BB rate numbers though, so I can see why Preller would be willing to take a shot and why Law likes the move for SD. Me, I'm taking the young, elite power bat that's already proven himself.
 

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If the starting pitching would just, you know, pitch better, like they're capable of - or even something in between what they're capable of and what they're doing now - then it would give the bullpen a much better chance of success. It's not all on the rotation - the bullpen has blown a TON of saves this year - but it sure would help a TON.

In other words, Misters Sale, Price, and Porcello....time to step up and do your jobs.
 

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I hate reading things like this. It always sounds as though they'd be happier getting a worse option. If you're trying to win, get the best player you can get
And price has nothing to do with determining who the best player they can get is?

I mean, a Tesla is probably the best car I could get so I can commute to work every day. But I can't afford it even at a below market cost. I can only afford a 10-year-old Ford Focus. So my buying the Focus isn't about being happier with it instead of the Tesla, it's settling for the best I can get on my budget.

If Dombrowski thinks the price for Will Smith is too high, that doesn't mean he's happy to pass it up. It might mean the Giants are asking way too much and, with them on a heater the last few weeks, have been deluded into thinking they need Smith more than they need the prospects he could bring back. That's not something Dombrowski can control. So he has to move on to other alternatives.
 

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The Giants are only .5 games out of a WC spot more than the Sox are, why wouldn't their asking price for Smith be something like Mookie or Devers?
 

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I don't really know why the Giants would be excited to unload Will Smith as they are well within the fringes of contention. So yeah, no surprise the asking price would be pretty steep.

Edit: Or what judyb said just before me...
 

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The Giants are only .5 games out of a WC spot more than the Sox are, why wouldn't their asking price for Smith be something like Mookie or Devers?
Because there are trades that can help both teams..
 

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Two names the Sox are considering at the moment:

LHP Andrew Chafin:
- 2019: 36.2 ip, 4.17 era, 3.69 fip, 108 era+, 1.26 whip, 11.0 k/9
- Career: 249.0 ip, 3.61 era, 3.24 fip, 120 era+, 1.29 whip, 9.2 k/9

RHP Daniel Hudson:
- 2019: 48.0 ip, 3.00 era, 4.21 fip, 151 era+, 1.27 whip, 9.0 k/9
- Career: 667.2 ip, 3.92 era, 3.76 fip, 106 era+, 1.27 whip, 8.0 k/9

Neither is great, both are pretty decent, both are better than what the Sox currently have in the back of the bullpen (Brewer, specifically). Can't imagine the asking price would be toooooo much for either guy.


EDIT: Let's say they add Chafin, just for giggles. The bullpen would then be...

R - Barnes
R - Workman
L - Hernandez
L - Chafin
L - Taylor
R - Eovaldi
R - Walden
R - Hembree

Still no "closer" per se. Does Chafin (or Hudson) move the needle? I don't think so. But would it help? Sure, I guess.
 

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Because there are trades that can help both teams..
Also because the Giants never expected to contend this year, and probably doubt they will stay competitive into August and September with a -47 run differential. They’re trying to open their next window of World Series contention, which means getting younger and better. The Red Sox, on the other hand, are in the midst (we and they hope) of their World Series window. It makes sense that the two teams would approach this week differently.
 

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Unless they get Diaz or Eovaldi suddenly takes to the role, I don't think this team is going to have a set closer the rest of the way. Maybe Workman gets the job but probably not.
 

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I have a feeling it’s going to be Hudson. Chafin has more control, but he’s had a bad year against RHH this year (.385 xWOBA) and we’ve already got some solid arms from the left. Hudson has less of a split (.287 xWOBA vs. RHH; .344 vs LHH), and his home run rate vs. right-handed hitters is lower than everyone on our team but Taylor and Workman.

It’s an unsexy name, fastball slider guy, but he throws hard and should be a top 4 option in the bullpen the rest of the way.
 

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Unless they get Diaz or Eovaldi suddenly takes to the role, I don't think this team is going to have a set closer the rest of the way. Maybe Workman gets the job but probably not.
Been a big Workman fan since 2013, but he's had a ton of chances to perform in late and close spots. He scares the heck out of me in the closer role.
 

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Unless they get Diaz or Eovaldi suddenly takes to the role, I don't think this team is going to have a set closer the rest of the way. Maybe Workman gets the job but probably not.
If they remain in the hunt someone is going to have to be designated as the closer, otherwise there will be situations where you just have to plug in best available ATM or someone who's been over worked. Not ideal as we've seen so far.
 

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Unless they get Diaz or Eovaldi suddenly takes to the role, I don't think this team is going to have a set closer the rest of the way. Maybe Workman gets the job but probably not.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they'd change tack at this point, even if they acquired someone like Diaz. They don't want a set closer. They want the freedom from labels that allows them to mix and match any of their relievers in any situation. Workman has been getting more of the 9th inning/save situations of late, but I very much doubt they'll lock him into that role exclusively.
 

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I hope they improve the bullpen, but as constructed, even though it’s almost the same as last year, this is a 1 and done in a WC game.
 

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I hope they improve the bullpen, but as constructed, even though it’s almost the same as last year, this is a 1 and done in a WC game.
Given the course of the season so far, I think it's far more likely that if they're one-and-done in the WC game, it will be because the starter gives up 4-5 runs early rather than the bullpen giving up the game late.
 

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I hope they improve the bullpen, but as constructed, even though it’s almost the same as last year, this is a 1 and done in a WC game.
Nah---no team with this offense and the POTENTIAL of guys like Sale, Price, etc can be written off as basically unable to win a WC game.
 

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Here's Workman pitching in the 9th inning this year (yes I know not always in a "closer" role)...

5/19 vs Hou: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 2 k, SV
6/2 vs NYY: 1.0 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 1 k, SV
6/15 vs Bal: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 1 bb, 0 k
6/16 vs Bal: 1.0 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 1 k, W
6/24 vs ChW: 0.1 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 1 k
6/25 vs ChW: 1.0 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 2 k, SV
7/14 vs LAD: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 3 k
7/15 vs Tor: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 0 k
7/26 vs NYY: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 0 k
7/27 vs NYY: 1.0 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 er, 0 bb, 0 k

TOTALS: 9.1 ip, 3 h, 0 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 10 k, 0.00 era, 0.54 whip, 9.6 k/9, 3-3 saves, 1-0 W-L

Not too shabby.
 

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It can be both scenarios in the same game... like last night.
True. But few teams in baseball have a bullpen that can be asked to get 15+ outs (as they needed last night) and expect that they'll be able to do it without giving up anything, let alone a slim lead. Asking any bullpen to get 15+ outs is putting yourself in a difficult position to win. So I'm still going to blame the starter more than the relievers in a game like last night's.

Edit to add: in a winner-take-all single game like the WC, most managers are going to approach it with an all hands on deck philosophy. So if something like last night were to occur, it's as likely that we'd see another starter (say E-Rod if Price starts) cover the middle innings if the starter can't get through at least five. Basically, I think a short or weak bullpen can be masked for one game if the entire pitching staff is in play as it would be in the WC game.
 

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A team with the worst bullpen in the history of bullpens can win one game.
Any team in MLB can beat any other team in MLB in a one-game playoff. In fact, I'd give the worst team in baseball at least a 30% shot at beating the best team in baseball in one game.

The only violation to this is if Minnesota plays the Yankees in a one-game playoff. Then it's as certain as anything could possibly be that the Yankees win.
 
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