2020 Coaching Carousel: #AnyoneButMcDaniels

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I figured it was a college HC position for Judge or else back to the Pats. Never thought he had a chance with the Giants even after he secured the interview. Seems like a reach.
 

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Carolina might be tempted to fire the guy within 24 hours of getting hired. It will make for some great questions at the intro press conference if the media do their jobs.
Why would they be tempted to fire him?


From a Pat's perspective, losing Judge doesn't seem like the worst case.
 

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Joe Judge LOL!

Well, he sure did wonders with the receiving corp this year...
I get the sense that was BB was trying to burnish Judge’s resume for an OC/HC job, like how the Eagles made Harbaugh secondary coach the year before the Ravens hired him. It’s not like the Eagles were a top unit that year, 9th overall but 18th against the pass.
 

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I don't see any of these teams even pretending to follow the Rooney Rule.
What's happening is a bad look for the NFL, and simply bad for the NFL, no doubt. But unless you know every potential coach interviewed for the job, then this hot take is a joke
 

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I'm less enamoured with McDaniels staying put this time than when he was heading to the Colts.
 

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I'm less enamoured with McDaniels staying put this time than when he was heading to the Colts.
I think it's tough to pin a lot of what happened this past season on McDaniels. I think the groceries were a bigger problem than the playcalling. Not that he was perfect or that I'm not still bitter about his calls from the 1 against the Titans.

I also think that if you're rooting for Brady to stay in NE, that having Josh stay put is a positive development.
 

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Going on the record - horrible hire IMO.
Joe Judge LOL!

Well, he sure did wonders with the receiving corp this year...
Same

I don't see how he has the experience for this job. And it's a pretty crazy media market to boot. They just think BB's intelligence rubs off by osmosis? If that's the case, hire Josh then. (Unless he's been told by Kraft he's the heir)

And Rhule, also should be a bust. Assistant OL coach means something now?
 

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Joe Judge LOL!

Well, he sure did wonders with the receiving corp this year...
Special Teams coaches are undervalued as HCs, as the NFL's sole HC from that background stands testament to. Name an ST coach with a better track record than Judge.

Way better than MS St or whatever else was in his opportunity set. I wish him well.
 

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Totally agree.

Cutting your teeth on a head coaching job in the NY market is a lot to ask.
The Jets hired BB to be their head coach with the understanding he would stand down to coordinator if they could also land Parcells (which ensued). Just sayin'.
 

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The Jets hired BB to be their head coach with the understanding he would stand down to coordinator if they could also land Parcells (which ensued). Just sayin'.
Oh, I hope someone asks that at the press conference
 

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I know a lot of folks (not me) are down on Josh just this minute, but I'm hoping he sticks around. The Pats had a lot of brain drain last year, and integrating tons of new position coaches and coordinator spots (and probably Caserio et als in the front office) seems like a distraction the team doesn't need right now.
 

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Special Teams coaches are undervalued as HCs, as the NFL's sole HC from that background stands testament to. Name an ST coach with a better track record than Judge.

Way better than MS St or whatever else was in his opportunity set. I wish him well.
To your point, 117-year old Marv Levy could probably outcoach more than one current (or recently fired) HC.
 

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Oh, I hope someone asks that at the press conference
Maybe one of the Maras would jump in with an indignant reply such as' "If we ever take ideas from other NFL teams, it certainly won't be from the Jets."
 

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I am happy for Judge. The NE special teams have been good under him. Special team coaches know the whole roster better than other position coaches. The Giants were obviously impressed.
I always get nervous when Pats coaches leave but BB keeps the train chugging along.
As an aside, wasn't the departure of Patricia a Godsend? The defense has been so much more competent without him.
 

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Yeah, I don't get the idea that the Giants need a guy who will be able to handle the NY media angle. When has that team ever gone for the big name, media savvy coach? Even Parcels wasn't PARCELLS when they hired him.

I guess you could make the case of Dan Reeves being an exception, but he never was more than a football-first guy
 

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I’m happy for Judge. He was going to leave last year anyways, and he won’t be getting the opportunity to lead this franchise so this is a pretty incredible outcome for him. I figured the M. State job or following Josh to be coordinator.
 

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Get ready for the NY paper headline tomorrow, "Judge over Ruhle."
 

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I’m happy for Judge. He was going to leave last year anyways, and he won’t be getting the opportunity to lead this franchise so this is a pretty incredible outcome for him. I figured the M. State job or following Josh to be coordinator.
FWIW, the Judge hire strikes me as, at least in part, a positive reflection of the Flores hire in Miami w/r/t readiness.
 

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Special Teams coaches are undervalued as HCs, as the NFL's sole HC from that background stands testament to. Name an ST coach with a better track record than Judge.

Way better than MS St or whatever else was in his opportunity set. I wish him well.
Harbaugh was also a ST coach, so there are two. Both highly successful.
 

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A part of it also could be money. The Giants may not have wanted to commit that much money to a coach and settled on their 2nd choice.
True.

And they "did" commit to a greater presence with analytics.

Maybe they're moving toward the 'Moneyball-route' where the on-field leader is basically a cigar-store Indian that presses an occasional button.

LOL....I kid....I kid.
 

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I always find it fascinating when a position coach is hired to be a HC. Not that every hire needs to follow the same path (position --> coordinator --- HC), but it really is a huge leap, for all the obvious reasons.
 

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I always find it fascinating when a position coach is hired to be a HC. Not that every hire needs to follow the same path (position --> coordinator --- HC), but it really is a huge leap, for all the obvious reasons.
Judge was also a coordinator. You can say it was "just" ST, but he's still running meetings and practices and deciding who fits best on what units and developing his backups and making playcalls and coming up with gameplans and preparing for situations and all the other stuff the "real" coordinators do. It's not clear to me that coordinating O or D prepares a coach better to execute the duties of head coach than coordinating STs.

Now if you're talking about going straight from DL coach to HC like Jim Tomsula, I agree with you. Flores last year was kind of a special case but he seemed to have the DC duties, just not the title.

EDIT: just clicked over to Twitter and saw ex-Patriot (LOL) Andrew Hawkins making an argument that ST coords are better-prepared for HC duties than OCs or DCs:

View: https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1214634132963151872

Unpopular opinion: Special Teams Coordinator is better practical training for a Head Coaching role than Defensive Coordinator or Offensive Coordinator. Debate your mother.
Only Coach on staff, besides HC, who has to command a room full of both offensive AND defensive players daily. Also only coach who has little or no input on the majority of players he has to motivate & win with, which is similar to a lot of HC/GM relationships around the league.
Also, No specific Offensive or Defensive systems to eventually stubbornly die w/. (Like OCs/DCs) If Coordinators need changed, they change em, even in mid-season. (Ravens 2012, SB Champs) If systems need adapted based on personnel, they adapt. (Ravens 2019 Lamar Jackson, MVP).
 

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I'm annoyed as a fan that we always lose coaches to poached jobs in the offseason. I know it would never be a thing but I feel like franchises who lose coaches should gain a lower end draft pick or cap money from franchises that hire them. When's the last year New England didn't have a coach leave in the off season, 2014?
 

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I'm annoyed as a fan that we always lose coaches to poached jobs in the offseason. I know it would never be a thing but I feel like franchises who lose coaches should gain a lower end draft pick or cap money from franchises that hire them. When's the last year New England didn't have a coach leave in the off season, 2014?
It doesn't seem to have hurt the Pats, in general, over the past 20 years
 

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I like it. None of us know if he is ready or not for this kind of gig but Patriots ST have been exceptional the past decade. Wishing him and all the other ex-Pats the best. He has 6 years of solid coordinator experience. The ST vs O or D doesn’t do anything for me. ST coordinator is just as good to me as O or D in terms of transitioning to HC. As a fan when guys like Vrabel or Flores succeed I get some satisfaction out of it.