You can draft a RB early but he damn well better be a game-breaker. Sony is...fine, but year’s run blocking would have made anyone look good.Michel is a stiff at times to me and I can’t believe they wasted a first round pick on him or any running back for that matter.
BenJarvis Green-Ellis was a JAG who ran for over a 1,000 yards one season. Jonas Gray almost ran for 1,000 in one game. Without question, run blocking and overall efficiency on offense impacts the run game. But I think the expectation was that Michel was an all-around back that could contribute in the passing game (which in turn would probably lead to more success in the running game as the run/pass tendencies wouldn’t be as predictable). He gets the yards he should most of the time and doesn’t fumble, and there’s value to that, but there’s plenty of non-first round backs that can do the same.He was dominant down the stretch and in the playoffs last year with a competent OL. The notion that a JAG back would give you the same production is absurd.
This shows how football is the ultimate team/complimentary sport.Chung's reinjury / new injury definitely mattered on the margins... 14 points and another 2nd half shutout is commendable though. I was upset at the defense in the early going but they don't have any goat horns tonight.
that said, they weren't any type of historic defense despite the numbers. the 2015 Denver defense carried a limping Denver offense all the way, that's what we could have used. (then again, were we worse than that offense with the corpse of Manning?)
It’s not bad luck when the punter clearly sees nobody back there and knows he can hit a line drive rocket with no downside. A kick like that was only ever bouncing forward.as was explained in the gamethread about the last punt of the game...
they sent EVERYONE out to block that punt, because it was the best chance to win. Edelman has to creep in because otherwise the punter can throw to a wide open person, with everyone coming in to block.
Bill did not get outcoached there. we can all agree a blocked punt was more likely than a miracle drive with 20 seconds and no timeouts. it was just awful luck the punt kicked straight and slowly to the 1, but once you don't block the punt it doesn't really matter anyways. much like their fumble luck lately, the ball was not kind to them.
Wow. I was at the game and hadn't looked at the stats. This really hammers it home.Harry 2/8
4/16 for 38 yards
Those passing numbers and they effectively lost turnover battle as well since game was already over by time of those late turnovers.Tannehill was 8-15, 72 yards, 1 td, 1 int, and a passer rating of 61.0.
Hard to win a game with your QB putting up those numbers but they did.
The KC game could have been 2006 Colts AFCCG all over again. ALL the pressure would have been on them. As crappy as we were all year, felt like we would have given them a really tough game.The shame of it is that I think they actually had a shot against Kansas City, who have not been the same this year and are the kind of all-pass team that we were built to defend.
I haven’t read the entire thread however this point is not correct in my view. The defense got rolled over by Henry and that is how the Titans won.Defense did its job as usual. It was the offense that really never got it together.
Yes, seriously. This is a team that has played the weakest, most boring offense we've seen around here in two decades.
There is nothing appreciably different about either team from a few weeks ago when it took several officiating assists for them to beat NE. Beating Oakland/Chicago/LA since then do nothing for me.
Sure, first half defense was not good and Henry didn’t really slow down much in the second half (though did have a little more success with 6 DL front) but the Titans have been averaging just over 30 points per game with Tannenhill. Huge part of their game is chunk plays off of play-action which they did take away. They forced a turnover which put the offense in good starting position but the offense sputtered as they did the entire second half.I haven’t read the entire thread however this point is not correct in my view. The defense got rolled over by Henry and that is how the Titans won.
Certainly the Patriots offense was lacking and putting up only 13 points is not enough but a Patriots defense that has been defined by taking away their opponent’s best weapon failed to do so in spectacular fashion tonight. They knew they had to stop Henry and they couldn’t do it.
except playing at Arrowhead... it would have been tough to keep them under 30 points again. and good luck to this offense scoring more than 20 on the road.There is nothing appreciably different about either team from a few weeks ago when it took several officiating assists for them to beat NE. Beating Oakland/Chicago/LA since then do nothing for me.
I hated the punt and still do. There was 3:17 remaining and all 3 timeouts left. Tennessee would have gone conservative and it probably results in FG attempt. Defense was playing better but not well enough for me to give the ball back.That 4th and 4 punt was a terrible idea.
The Pats could not stop Henry and they knew it by then. Going for it was the smart move. If they fail, try to hold them to a FG and take the ball back.
Other than that, failure to get in on 1st and Goal was also a killer. Plus that brutal drop by Brady's go to guy, Edelman. I guess the receivers are mostly to blame? I wish McD the best in his new job.
I'd take 10% over the odds they wound up with, trying to score from the 1 with 15 seconds left and no timeouts.everyone saying punting at the end was horrible... the offense converting there was what, 10%? and TEN made a dumb false start, we were better than 10% to get a 3 & out on TEN there.
The other factor is their punter is so much better than ours. Assuming a 3 and out and swapping punts still likely moves us back and costs us time.everyone saying punting at the end was horrible... the offense converting there was what, 10%? and TEN made a dumb false start, we were better than 10% to get a 3 & out on TEN there.
Right but hindsight being 20/20 you probably don’t punt on 4th and 3 at the TEN 47 if you know Bailey is going to kick it into the end zone and then the Titans have an 8 minute drive.I'd take 10% over the odds they wound up with, trying to score from the 1 with 15 seconds left and no timeouts.
I was shocked at that punt. Seemed like Henry sitting out so many plays on the bench was limiting the Titans offense more than the Pats defense.Right but hindsight being 20/20 you probably don’t punt on 4th and 3 at the TEN 47 if you know Bailey is going to kick it into the end zone and then the Titans have an 8 minute drive.
Basically, they tried to win a field position game by relying on defense and special times that had carried them for a majority of the season. Like Belichick legit felt those units had a better chance to score than their offense. And really I don’t disagree.
PreachBecause @Ralphwiggum is a good poster and deserves better than game thread sniping back-and-forth, I'm going to continue this conversation here:
(1) last years team doesn’t make the top 10 Pats teams of the Bb/Tb era.
What's your top-10 list that excludes the 2018 team? The playoff games count when evaluating a team, even if they shouldn't be the only consideration. I'll spot you 2004, 2007, 2010, 2014 and 2016. But if you're going to ignore that there's an argument the 2018 team was better than two other SB-winning teams, or somehow then come up with a top 10 that excludes half of the title-winning teams... I'm not sure we're going to agree on much. Like the direction the sun will rise tomorrow.
(2) the run really should have been over after the Philly SB loss.
This is obviously subjective, but this is kinda contradicted by the fact that our OL was nails the later the 2018 season got, the D had a player turn into a DPOY candidate, and the entire team (including two underpaid players who would become market-setting FAs after the season, Trent Brown and Trey Flowers) continued clicking on all cylinders, including turning in one of the all-time great defensive performances in the super bowl. None of that was an accident, unless you want to call their relative health an accident. Much less suggestive of rot at the core that was concealing an end to title contention.
And then this year, we were probably a few non-football misfortunes from being a top contender this year. Andrews blood clot, Wynn turf toe, Antonio Brown being borderline psychotic, Gostkowski hip, Develin neck injury (and likewise to his replacement), Jason McCourty groin injury. You could argue adding "Gronk retiring while still being an impact player" to the list, too. With last year's health, I bet we get a bye and probably make the AFCCG. And despite what did happen, the team still came away with the 4th-best point differential in team history, even if they were a paper tiger to some degree.
My position going into the offseason is that there's tons of reason for optimism. Brady and Belichick clearly still have their fastballs. The defense is good, and could be great. And if enough of the injurees return to productivity, our OL and talent level across the board could suddenly see many holes plugged. There are reasons for pessimism too, the cap situation and McDaniels / Scarnecchia situation chief among them, but we're a good draft from being right back in this thing.
right. pats were 40% on 4th down (any distance) on the season, 38% on 3rd down (any distance), and 38% on 3rd down in the TEN game. there's no way they are worse than 10% to convert there, nor is it simply a question of conversion % vs. chance of getting TEN to go 3&out. once you get the 3&o, you still have to go score.There is no way the odds of converting a 4th and 4 is 10%.
The punt decision was a strategic one. Jules drop was a huge physical miscue. I don’t think he is getting a ton of blame but it had a huge impact on the game. We aren’t even talking punt if he catches that ball. Sucks that it was him since he was the only pass catcher worth a shit this year and had been gutting it out all year. It’s probably a play he’ll be thinking about for a bit.Surprised at all the JE11 blame. It was an easy catch and he muffed it big time, but it was a 2nd down play. They had two chances to convert. They should have run it on 3rd with Burkhead and then gone for it on 4th.
The punt was the far bigger mistake.
Didn’t Edelman make some wise crack at Welker after the 28-3 game about him actually catching the ball vs Welker dropping it?The punt decision was a strategic one. Jules drop was a huge physical miscue. I don’t think he is getting a ton of blame but it had a huge impact on the game. We aren’t even talking punt if he catches that ball. Sucks that it was him since he was the only pass catcher worth a shit this year and had been gutting it out all year. It’s probably a play he’ll be thinking about for a bit.
He just can't ever save a play that has gone bad. And on his biggest run of the game, he left yards on the field by stepping out of bounds to avoid contact. Maybe he's decent in some respects but he creates almost nothing on his own and he is mediocre at best as a sort yardage back.4. Michel played well tonight. Not the problem.
He could have called a time out. He could have had his punt return ready enough for that BS to not make a dumb unforced error.7. What the hell was BB supposed to do in that situation? There was literally nothing he could do. Not a single thing. That's why he pointed out during the season that the rule was problematic.
Once in while, compete for a few yards after contact?They ran out a second string center for the entire year, a second string LT for half the year, a LB playing FB for 14 weeks, and had a massive downgrade at TE. What the hell did you expect Michel to do this year running behind that line?
True. Bailey killed them, with the shank especially but also by dropping a couple into the end zone.The field position falls on Bailey as much as the defense.
If the defense did its job last week, there wouldn't have been a game today.McD really should have kept the pass to Roberts play until today instead of running it vs Phins.
Also, if Devlin were playing instead of Roberts, they are either enjoying the weekend off or win today.
I don't know. The defense allowed 14 points, none in the second half, came up with a pick at a key time, got the ball back a couple of times for the terrible offense.This game was a microcosm of the entire second half of the season:
-The defense was pretty good but not great, couldn't stop the run and didn't make enough big plays.
The Pats offense has been a disaster for months now, Edelaman has a key first down in his fucking hands, and he dropped it. That was one of the most consequential plays of the game.Surprised at all the JE11 blame. It was an easy catch and he muffed it big time, but it was a 2nd down play. They had two chances to convert. They should have run it on 3rd with Burkhead and then gone for it on 4th.
Yes, this was also a cowardly, dumb decision.Right but hindsight being 20/20 you probably don’t punt on 4th and 3 at the TEN 47 if you know Bailey is going to kick it into the end zone and then the Titans have an 8 minute drive.
He may have felt that way, but it was a failure. They kept punting and getting the ball back with lousy field position. They weren't executing well enough on offense, defense, or special teams to win a field position battle.Basically, they tried to win a field position game by relying on defense and special times that had carried them for a majority of the season. Like Belichick legit felt those units had a better chance to score than their offense. And really I don’t disagree.