2020 NFL Draft Game Thread

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Less than 24 hours to go so figured we can post all news, rumors, and when the draft gets going we'll gamethread it here. I think it would be best if we go with not posting the picks here before they are announced on the air. Not sure if there will be issues with tipped picks this year, but let's avoid spoiling the picks.

Here's a rumor to start things off about a potential Miami-Detroit trade involving the #3 and #5 picks.

"One final thing on the Dolphins-Detroit trade situation. I’ve been told tonight by person familiar with what Lions are thinking that they are making plans for having the No. 5 overall selection tomorrow night — Miami’s first scheduled pick of the draft tomorrow."

View: https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1253162307615678464
 

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Giants are locked in on the tackles ... Dolphins must think NYG would pick their guy
 

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I think if MIA moves up to #3, it's because they think that they have to for Tua. Everything else, I'm considering a smoke screen.

For my the sake of of the Dolphins, as well as my own sanity, I hope that I'm right.

The wait for 8 PM tomorrow is going to be brutal.
 

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I think if MIA moves up to #3, it's because they think that they have to for Tua. Everything else, I'm considering a smoke screen.
Who up there is going to take Tua? Or who do you see trading up that high?

Skins have to take Young, and if Detroit is willing to trade back they must not think Miami wants Tua. The Giants aren't taking him.
 

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Who up there is going to take Tua? Or who do you see trading up that high?

Skins have to take Young, and if Detroit is willing to trade back they must not think Miami wants Tua. The Giants aren't taking him.
Miami's move up to 3 would prevent another team -- such as the LAC -- from swapping with Detroit or the NYG to get Tua. Also, there's always the potential of another team, such as the Jags or Raiders, discreetly investigating a trade-up. If you recall, KC's leap for Mahomes seemingly came out of nowhere. There was zero pre-draft buzz about such a move. Could Atlanta be in a similar situation?

I think Miami's in a unique position to be in the loop on these draft talks, as Detroit would prefer to stay in the Top 5 and land a premiere player, while still obtaining an additional asset.

But, hey, perhaps my Tua goggles are making me miss the obvious signs. I just don't trust the reports at this point. A few days ago, everyone and their mother had Herbert pegged as the definite pick. Until I see otherwise, I think Tua's Miami's top target.
 

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Miami's move up to 3 would prevent another team -- such as the LAC -- from swapping with Detroit or the NYG to get Tua. Also, there's always the potential of another team, such as the Jags or Raiders, discreetly investigating a trade-up. If you recall, KC's leap for Mahomes seemingly came out of nowhere.
Jacksonville's tanking for Trevor
 

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Miami has put out 4 equally compelling rumors that they 1) want to trade up for a tackle, 2) want Herbert, 3) really want Love, 4) No actually they want Tua. Bravo guys. Bravo. I love this time of year.
 

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Miami has put out 4 equally compelling rumors that they 1) want to trade up for a tackle, 2) want Herbert, 3) really want Love, 4) No actually they want Tua. Bravo guys. Bravo. I love this time of year.
I'm far more involved this year than in previous years, and it obviously has to do with there be no competition for sports fans. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it's over
 

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I'm far more involved this year than in previous years, and it obviously has to do with there be no competition for sports fans. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it's over
I feel like every year I get more and more into college football, football in general, and the draft. I signed up for The Scouting Academy this spring - I don't ever want to quit my day job but I want to get more into writing and other projects. Projects like releasing these damn pods. OK. I am putting myself in timeout until I can get the pods linked.
 

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Is there any doubt that sometime tonight Goodell has the mute on when he's trying to announce a pick?
 

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Peter Schrager on Good Morning Football has the Dolphins taking Justin Herbert at 3 and Tua sliding to 16 to Jacksonville. Also has the Pats trading down with Baltimore and picking D’Andre Swift. Eww.
I like Swift in a vacuum, but I don't like Swift for NE there. That makes little sense. With Michel and Harris there's less than zero need for another young RB.
 

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Peter Schrager on Good Morning Football has the Dolphins taking Justin Herbert at 3 and Tua sliding to 16 to Jacksonville. Also has the Pats trading down with Baltimore and picking D’Andre Swift. Eww.
This is where whiffing on Phony Michel hurts. Using a first round pick on a RB is probably the dumbest thing you can do in the NFL Draft.
 

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This is where whiffing on Phony Michel hurts. Using a first round pick on a RB is probably the dumbest thing you can do in the NFL Draft.
Well what's done is done. Perhaps they could trade Michel to someone in need of a RB. Maybe they only get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. If so, oh well, you got two years out of him, including a really good postseason stretch that led to a SB title.

Personally, next year I want to see what Harris can do. I don't think NE needs to draft a RB anywhere near the top 5 rounds this year.
 

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They need a receiving back because James White is getting older and contract expires after 2021. Burkhead is a cut candidate.

I would keep an eye Darrynton Evans out of App state as well as Josh Kelley. Evans can contribute on ST as well. Evans is my guy as a receiver and change of pace back. They usually take this guy in the 3rd or 4th round.

Also, I wouldn't complain if they drafted Moss or Dillon in the late 3rd or 4th this year. Think Sony is going to end up a bust and those two could split starting duties with Harris. But that's not a priority and more of me really liking them as prospects and being v down on Michel after his lack of Y2 development. Sony was such a massive disappointment to me in year 2. He regressed as a runner until later in the season but he doesn't have the burst I saw at Georgia and for a guy his size he hardly breaks tackles. When you take a guy even in the back of the first round you expect him to catch some fucking balls once in a while. Sony might as well have hands of stone.
 

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They need a receiving back because James White is getting older and contract expires after 2021. Burkhead is a cut candidate.

I would keep an eye Darrynton Evans out of App state as well as Josh Kelley. Evans can contribute on ST as well. Evans is my guy as a receiver and change of pace back. They usually take this guy in the 3rd or 4th round.

Also, I wouldn't complain if they drafted Moss or Dillon in the late 3rd or 4th this year. Think Sony is going to end up a bust and those two could split starting duties with Harris. But that's not a priority and more of me really liking them as prospects and being v down on Michel after his lack of Y2 development. Sony was such a massive disappointment to me in year 2. He regressed as a runner until later in the season but he doesn't have the burst I saw at Georgia and for a guy his size he hardly breaks tackles. When you take a guy even in the back of the first round you expect him to catch some fucking balls once in a while. Sony might as well have hands of stone.
Cosign on Kelley from UCLA. Great kid, fits the passing back profile well. Reminded me a lot of Shane Vereen but he won't go that high.

For a priority UDFA (I'm assuming he won't get drafted), I like Tony Jones from Notre Dame. Big kid, wasn't overused in college, and he has some burst for a big back (5'10, 220#). He also never fumbled at ND in ~ 300 career touches. If Kelley is Vereen, Jones had a bit of Ridley too him.
 

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There's a real chance that this turns into a sh*t show with IT issues.

I'm also preparing myself that pick 23 doesn't come until close to midnight and they trade down or take someone like Ezra Cleveland (who in fairness would probably turn into Nate Solder Lite) when much sexier names are on the board.
 

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Just want to put this here so when Miami actually does draft a tackle at 3, you guys can assume that my lifeless corpse is swinging from the nearest rafter:

Tua Tagovailoa no matter what.
 

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IT issues.
True, but the mitigating factor is that oftentimes the picks are in well before they are announced live -- the draft could be much shorter but they stretch it out to fill up TV time. So any time lost due to IT issues, as long as it isn't catastrophic, can be made up.
 

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Why would the Dolphins need to trade up to 3 to get Herbert? That would be insanely stupid - does anyone think he won't be there at 5?
I don't see anyone currently slotted at 2/3/4 picking him, but the Dolphins must be worried about someone else trading up.
 

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They need a receiving back because James White is getting older and contract expires after 2021. Burkhead is a cut candidate.

I would keep an eye Darrynton Evans out of App state as well as Josh Kelley. Evans can contribute on ST as well. Evans is my guy as a receiver and change of pace back. They usually take this guy in the 3rd or 4th round.

Also, I wouldn't complain if they drafted Moss or Dillon in the late 3rd or 4th this year. Think Sony is going to end up a bust and those two could split starting duties with Harris. But that's not a priority and more of me really liking them as prospects and being v down on Michel after his lack of Y2 development. Sony was such a massive disappointment to me in year 2. He regressed as a runner until later in the season but he doesn't have the burst I saw at Georgia and for a guy his size he hardly breaks tackles. When you take a guy even in the back of the first round you expect him to catch some fucking balls once in a while. Sony might as well have hands of stone.
Any thoughts on Clyde Edwards-Helaire as a receiving back?
 

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We are going to wait all frigging night for the Pats to pick, only to find out two minutes before they draft that they've traded it to move into the second round. And we're all going to grumble at that point because even if it's the right move, having to wait til tomorrow is going to be painful.
 

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Why would the Dolphins need to trade up to 3 to get Herbert? That would be insanely stupid - does anyone think he won't be there at 5?
They aren’t. If Miami trades up, it would be for Tua. I haven’t bought for a second any of the Herbert smoke they’ve been blowing.

Miami can tell Detroit they’re trading up for Tua, or they can tell Detroit they’re trading up for Jedrick Wills. Basically it serves Miami zero good to tell anyone they’re interested in Tua because the price and urgency immediately ratchet up.
 

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We are going to wait all frigging night for the Pats to pick, only to find out two minutes before they draft that they've traded it to move into the second round. And we're all going to grumble at that point because even if it's the right move, having to wait til tomorrow is going to be painful.
Meh. The waiting sucks but we all want them to trade down.
 

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They aren’t. If Miami trades up, it would be for Tua. I haven’t bought for a second any of the Herbert smoke they’ve been blowing.

Miami can tell Detroit they’re trading up for Tua, or they can tell Detroit they’re trading up for Jedrick Wills. Basically it serves Miami zero good to tell anyone they’re interested in Tua because the price and urgency immediately ratchet up.
Is Josh Rosen a complete bust then? No hope at all? Or will they ride with Rosen and let Tua recover for another year?
 

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Why would the Dolphins need to trade up to 3 to get Herbert? That would be insanely stupid - does anyone think he won't be there at 5?
People who think the Chargers will trade up to 3 for him. Basically the argument is that if the Dolphins are out on Tua for medicals they might have to get to 3 because DET doesn't want to be there (they aren't scared of the Giants taking their guys) so they want to get down to 5/6 where both teams need a QB.
 

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Just want to put this here so when Miami actually does draft a tackle at 3, you guys can assume that my lifeless corpse is swinging from the nearest rafter:

Tua Tagovailoa no matter what.
Not gonna lie, I’m rooting for you to have pain tonight just so the thread can relish in your agony a bit. Or, a lot. (Just in an internetty sports fandom way, of course)
 

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Is Josh Rosen a complete bust then? No hope at all? Or will they ride with Rosen and let Tua recover for another year?
IMO, Rosen is Jacoby B or Jimmy G. He’s dirt cheap, and at worst he’s a potentially talented backup that needs to learn the game better.

If Tua is the pick, there’s no reason he should even be active until his hip is 1000%. Let Fitz be the starter, Rosen be the backup, and Tua be the future. Once they feel comfortable, let them battle it out for QB2, and potentially look for teams interested in Rosen next year. Or don’t. Keep Rosen next year and he’s your break-glass-in-case-Tua-breaks backup when Tua is hypothetically the starter and Fitzpatrick has moved on.

He might not ever be a star in the league, but he still holds value for Miami as a backup QB.
 

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I know the draft day rumors are silly season but there is so much weird heat around Miami trading to #3 and NOT picking a QB with that selection. I'm skeptical until it happens, but if it does, how far do Tua/Herbert slide? Presumably the Chargers take one at #6, but then JAX (#9) and LV (#12) seem to be the only teams with a potential need at QB.

Maybe there is a potential trade up scenario at #7 (CAR) or #8 (ARI). SF @ #13 is probably the likeliest to trade back in the top 15 if one of the QBs really start to fall. You can't rule out Miami using both later firsts to move up again and take their guy either.
 

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If your in the camp that believes the season is in Jeopardy then Tua might be a brilliant choice.

Will/can the NFL do anything about contracts if the season is canceled? IE can the rights to players be extended a year?
 

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Here's a no-fucking-way-it-happens rumor:

The Dolphins are hoping to acquire the Lions’ No. 3 choice and package it with their own No. 5 for the Bengals’ first overall pick, Mike Florio of PFT hears. The Lions have told the Dolphins that they won’t give up the No. 3 pick without the No. 5 pick in the package, but Miami GM Chris Grier seems to think they can be swayed.
Don't buy it for a second. Bengals are locked in on Burrow. 3&5 together is an overpay, but still.
 

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Here's a no-fucking-way-it-happens rumor:



Don't buy it for a second. Bengals are locked in on Burrow. 3&5 together is an overpay, but still.
Also not buying it. Both Flores and Grier have been adamant that they aren’t a single player away from contention, even at QB, and that they want a large influx of talent, not one superstar.

Things that fly directly in the face of what they’ve been saying for months now usually end up being false. My guess is more smoke in case someone was thinking about trying to work out a trade with Washington for #2 overall.
 

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@pappymojo CEH is not the best fit on the team. He's a primary back or a committee back and like @RedOctober3829 said he will be long gone before they'd take him. Also - his pass blocking is the weakest part of his game. Is scheme versatile but I like him better in more zone concepts. Best vision in the class.