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He understands that while he may have no trade he doesn’t get to decide what Houston might want in return.
The tweet was poorly written; I'm guessing a rep told Mort that Watson might like Miami and the rep or Mort surmised Tua going back in the deal
 

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The tweet was poorly written; I'm guessing a rep told Mort that Watson might like Miami and the rep or Mort surmised Tua going back in the deal
Seems like if there is smoke here, and it appears there is, Miami and Houston are really compatible trade partners, assuming Miami is interested.

The foundation of the trade would be Tua/Houston’s #3 pick back. Tua gives Houston a young, cost controlled QB to build around and #3 gives them another building block talent or the ability to trade down for even more picks, which they would probably be well-advised to do given the Tunsil trade. Then, it becomes a negotiation about the remaining compensation. My guess is it would be at least another #1 in 2022 and maybe a #2 in 2023 or something.
 

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If Watson really wants out, he can only play so much hardball.
Miami would depend on how Houston likes Tua.
 
This is just weird - an offensive lineman who played for the Colts against the Bills on Saturday might wind up playing for the Packers against the Rams this weekend:
I understand the loophole in the rules which makes this possible, but surely no player should be able to play for two different teams in the playoffs in the same season.
 

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This is just weird - an offensive lineman who played for the Colts against the Bills on Saturday might wind up playing for the Packers against the Rams this weekend:
I understand the loophole in the rules which makes this possible, but surely no player should be able to play for two different teams in the playoffs in the same season.
I don't see the issue. He's on the practice squad, you can sign players from another team's practice squad. That he gets to play 2 playoff games instead of two regular season games for different teams makes no difference to me.
 

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The Seahawks went the entire season without a positive COVID test
 

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This is just weird - an offensive lineman who played for the Colts against the Bills on Saturday might wind up playing for the Packers against the Rams this weekend:
I understand the loophole in the rules which makes this possible, but surely no player should be able to play for two different teams in the playoffs in the same season.
That’s the dude who hated the Pats so much he retired from the NFL in preseason 2019! Guess he landed on his feet...
 

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Brian Schottenheimer dumped as OC of Seattle.

But they did extend GM John Schneider's contract to the 2027 Draft, two years past Pete's recent extension.
 

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I don't see the issue. He's on the practice squad, you can sign players from another team's practice squad. That he gets to play 2 playoff games instead of two regular season games for different teams makes no difference to me.
Normally you have to be put on the 53 to be able to play in a game though.
 

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Karma? What did he do wrong besides being on a practice squad?
Not him, GB for signing him. He might have infected other players on the team. He was only on the practice squad because the Colts didn't have to put him on the 53 for him to play.

I would think at the very least he'll get paid this week (and next provided that GB defeats the Rams).
 

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Not him, GB for signing him. He might have infected other players on the team. He was only on the practice squad because the Colts didn't have to put him on the 53 for him to play.
OK and? I really don't get the issue. Your problem is that a team and a player followed the rules in place, and you're happy that he got a serious illness because you don't like the rules?
FOH
 

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Not him, GB for signing him. He might have infected other players on the team. He was only on the practice squad because the Colts didn't have to put him on the 53 for him to play.

I would think at the very least he'll get paid this week and next, provided that GB defeats the Rams.
I don't think this is karma
 

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Stephanie Stradley was on Tom Curran's podcast this week and said the situation in Houston is as awful as can be imagined. Between Cal McNair's incompetence and Easterby's Machiavellian machinations and utter insensitivity, there's deep and widespread discontent throughout the organization, not just the locker room.
And the Around The NFL podcast had Seth Payne - ex-Texan and now local radio presence in Houston - on this week to talk about the Texans, and he said basically the same things.
 

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Stephanie Stradley was on Tom Curran's podcast this week and said the situation in Houston is as awful as can be imagined. Between Cal McNair's incompetence and Easterby's Machiavellian machinations and utter insensitivity, there's deep and widespread discontent throughout the organization, not just the locker room.
I wonder if Caserio is having second thoughts and could pull a McDaniels
 

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I wonder if Caserio is having second thoughts and could pull a McDaniels
But it probably can be fixed eventually and someone has to do it. Why shouldn't Caserio try? He would be a hero if he cleaned house and turned the franchise around.

But it's going to take a lot, that's for sure. The Watson situation, in particular, is a debacle for the franchise.
 

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But it probably can be fixed eventually and someone has to do it. Why shouldn't Caserio try? He would be a hero if he cleaned house and turned the franchise around.

But it's going to take a lot, that's for sure. The Watson situation, in particular, is a debacle for the franchise.
And if they do blow it up by trading Watson for a crapload of picks, he pretty much gets to rebuild a franchise from scratch. Some may relish the immense challenge of doing that.
 

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Yahoo has story now that Easterby is blaming the Pats. Which, for reason, I can’t link.
 

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But it probably can be fixed eventually and someone has to do it. Why shouldn't Caserio try? He would be a hero if he cleaned house and turned the franchise around.

But it's going to take a lot, that's for sure. The Watson situation, in particular, is a debacle for the franchise.
If one of the problems is ownership, that's the one thing you can't fix.
 

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If one of the problems is ownership, that's the one thing you can't fix.
That's fair. Sometimes the owner is just too much. Think The Football Team or the Knicks or Jerry Jones. You might be right, here, it could be unfixable. But I can still understand why someone would try.

Salah took the head coaching job for the Jets, for example.
 

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I wonder if part of it is just having the opportunity to be a head coach, even if the ownership situation stinks. I mean, if you're Salah, and have been hoping for a HC gig, you have to wonder just how many opportunities will come along. When you finally get the chance, are you wise or foolish for turning it down in the hopes of getting a better one? I don't know the answer to that, but I do wonder if some of it is just...ok wow here's my chance and I need to take it... without any real thought of "fixing" the ownership situation.
 

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Yahoo has story now that Easterby is blaming the Pats. Which, for reason, I can’t link.
Here's the link:
...and the money shot:
Easterby came from the Patriots, where he was a “character coach,” and while coach Bill Belichick likes him he said in November he didn’t expect him to be running a front office.

“Jack’s not a personnel person,” Belichick said. “No.”

After SI’s first report in December, Easterby pushed back and alleged that he planned to sue SI for defamation and therefore had the names of all of the media outlet’s sources inside the building. SI said both of these are untrue.

He also levied accusations at the Patriots and the Kraft family, which owns the team. He said they were the reason for the negative press and incorrectly alleged the family funding the reporting.
With love and respect to JJ Watt, it's just too easy to hope all terrible things befall the Texans.
 

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That's fair. Sometimes the owner is just too much. Think The Football Team or the Knicks or Jerry Jones. You might be right, here, it could be unfixable. But I can still understand why someone would try.

Salah took the head coaching job for the Jets, for example.
Yeah, it doesn't reflect well on his judgement. :)

Jerry Jones gets a lot of headlines; I think he is no worst than most and better than some. He shouldn't be running the show and he is, but at least it's clear that that's the case. What I think is worse are owners like Jimmy Haslam where the wind blows different one week and suddenly you have a different org structure.

I wonder if part of it is just having the opportunity to be a head coach, even if the ownership situation stinks. I mean, if you're Salah, and have been hoping for a HC gig, you have to wonder just how many opportunities will come along. When you finally get the chance, are you wise or foolish for turning it down in the hopes of getting a better one? I don't know the answer to that, but I do wonder if some of it is just...ok wow here's my chance and I need to take it... without any real thought of "fixing" the ownership situation.
I agree that is what happens, and some head coaches (like Belichick) learn from that mistake and pick their second opportunity more carefully. There is not usually a third.
 

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Yeah, it doesn't reflect well on his judgement. :)

Jerry Jones gets a lot of headlines; I think he is no worst than most and better than some. He shouldn't be running the show and he is, but at least it's clear that that's the case. What I think is worse are owners like Jimmy Haslam where the wind blows different one week and suddenly you have a different org structure.
Dallas has 3 playoff wins since 1996. They have not advanced past the divisional round since 1995. It's an unmitigated disaster in Dallas. They are the Lions with a better history.

Jones is much worse than most.

edit - just to note, the Carolina Panthers have 9 playoff wins in the time Dallas has won 3. The Panthers. The Jaguars have 7. The Jets have 7. Dallas has 3.

Dallas fucking sucks because of Jerry Jones.

2nd edit - since 2000, only 6 teams in the NFL have fewer playoff wins than Dallas. Dolphins. Bengals. The Bills. The Football Team. The Lions. The Browns.

Laughingstock franchises. That's where Dallas is, with the Browns, Lions, and Bengals, with better marketing and cheerleaders.
 
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the Cowboys got fucked on that Dez non-catch ruling in GB in the late Romo era (I want to say 2014?). And had a really nice team with Dak as a rookie and then they got Rodgers'd at home, or they would have been hosting a NFCCG. since then it's been mediocrity in Dallas though.

Jones is a bad owner in meddling with decisions and his head coaches are uninspiring, but they've collected the talent a couple times to be true contenders and just got fucked in the playoffs. how it goes.
 

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the Cowboys got fucked on that Dez non-catch ruling in GB in the late Romo era (I want to say 2014?). And had a really nice team with Dak as a rookie and then they got Rodgers'd at home, or they would have been hosting a NFCCG. since then it's been mediocrity in Dallas though.

Jones is a bad owner in meddling with decisions and his head coaches are uninspiring, but they've collected the talent a couple times to be true contenders and just got fucked in the playoffs. how it goes.
Every team has a story. The Lions have been screwed a few times, too. You are what your record says you are.
 

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I wonder if part of it is just having the opportunity to be a head coach, even if the ownership situation stinks. I mean, if you're Salah, and have been hoping for a HC gig, you have to wonder just how many opportunities will come along. When you finally get the chance, are you wise or foolish for turning it down in the hopes of getting a better one? I don't know the answer to that, but I do wonder if some of it is just...ok wow here's my chance and I need to take it... without any real thought of "fixing" the ownership situation.
The Johnsons have been bad owners but haven’t been bad to their coaches if that makes any amount of sense (didn’t even fire Gase mid season and the NYC media was out for blood with him) . Right now, that are set up for success. If you want to look at a horror movie look at the coaching staff Rex inherits and it’s slow decline over the years.



Now we have a competent GM who will let the new HC pick his staff. It is on these football guys to make the correct choices.
 

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Dallas has 3 playoff wins since 1996. They have not advanced past the divisional round since 1995. It's an unmitigated disaster in Dallas. They are the Lions with a better history.

Jones is much worse than most.

edit - just to note, the Carolina Panthers have 9 playoff wins in the time Dallas has won 3. The Panthers. The Jaguars have 7. The Jets have 7. Dallas has 3.

Dallas fucking sucks because of Jerry Jones.

2nd edit - since 2000, only 6 teams in the NFL have fewer playoff wins than Dallas. Dolphins. Bengals. The Bills. The Football Team. The Lions. The Browns.

Laughingstock franchises. That's where Dallas is, with the Browns, Lions, and Bengals, with better marketing and cheerleaders.
Talking to younger people is how I realize Dallas is so bad because some of my strongest childhood memories are of their Dynasty. Still seems like yesterday to me but it is going to be 30 years soon.
 

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To save a click, here is the Jets staff in Mangini’s last year
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Talking to younger people is how I realize Dallas is so bad because some of my strongest childhood memories are of their Dynasty. Still seems like yesterday to me but it is going to be 30 years soon.
Dallas was once great. Now they are much worse than the Jets, Jags, and Panthers have been. The Chargers have 5 playoff wins since 2002. The CHARGERS. The Cardinals have 5.

I mean, it's not really a question. Dallas has been horrendous and it's Jerry who owns it.
 

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Dallas was once great. Now they are much worse than the Jets, Jags, and Panthers have been. The Chargers have 5 playoff wins since 2002. The CHARGERS. The Cardinals have 5.

I mean, it's not really a question. Dallas has been horrendous and it's Jerry who owns it.
Playoff success yes but they have had good regular seasons compared to the Jets.
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They are 174-162 since 2000, with 3 playoff wins. 51.7% winning percentage. LIT!

If "they have had good regular seasons" is your argument, it's a weak one, especially with that very average record, with not a single season of playoff success . Nobody cares about good regular seasons. Dallas hasn't had a great season since 1995. Even the Jets have had at last 3 great seasons since then.
 

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Every team has a story. The Lions have been screwed a few times, too. You are what your record says you are.
Their record is actually very good - 208-192. Poor playoff results, as you note. Still, I think that's a pretty far cry from the Clevelands and Detroits.

Now we have a competent GM who will let the new HC pick his staff. It is on these football guys to make the correct choices.
I'm a big fan of the Joe Douglas hire, but worth noting that he, too, voluntarily accepted a position with the Jets.

More seriously, I see an issue with the org structure there. Gase was hired first, then they fired Maccagnon and put Gase in charge, then they hired Douglas and now they fired Gase, so Douglas is in charge now, I guess? Who runs things there, the head coach or the GM? Or does it depend on what way the wind is blowing that day?
 

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They are 174-162 since 2000, with 3 playoff wins. 51.7% winning percentage. LIT!

If "they have had good regular seasons" is your argument, it's a weak one, especially with that very average record, with not a single season of playoff success . Nobody cares about good regular seasons. Dallas hasn't had a great season since 1995. Even the Jets have had at last 3 great seasons since then.
My point is that they dont seem as bad as they are because they haven’t had multiple really bad years.

3 years with 5 or fewer wins in the last 20, Jets have had 3 years with 5 wins or fewer in the past 5 years
 

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They are 174-162 since 2000, with 3 playoff wins. 51.7% winning percentage. LIT!

If "they have had good regular seasons" is your argument, it's a weak one, especially with that very average record, with not a single season of playoff success . Nobody cares about good regular seasons. Dallas hasn't had a great season since 1995. Even the Jets have had at last 3 great seasons since then.
I agree with your stance, but I think using playoff wins as evidence has a flaw. A team can conceivably get 3 in a single year, meaning one or two good seasons since 1995 puts them higher on the ladder than Dallas, but without sustained performance.

The larger issue at play is Dallas's lack of playoff success vs the combination of expectation and, for lack of a better phrase, public standing. A team given as much media and fan respect as the Cowboys SHOULD have been better in the playoffs over the past quarter-century. That makes them a larger subjective failure than teams viewed in lesser light, regardless of overall records
 

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Dallas has 3 playoff wins since 1996. They have not advanced past the divisional round since 1995. It's an unmitigated disaster in Dallas. They are the Lions with a better history.

Jones is much worse than most.

edit - just to note, the Carolina Panthers have 9 playoff wins in the time Dallas has won 3. The Panthers. The Jaguars have 7. The Jets have 7. Dallas has 3.

Dallas fucking sucks because of Jerry Jones.

2nd edit - since 2000, only 6 teams in the NFL have fewer playoff wins than Dallas. Dolphins. Bengals. The Bills. The Football Team. The Lions. The Browns.

Laughingstock franchises. That's where Dallas is, with the Browns, Lions, and Bengals, with better marketing and cheerleaders.
Wow was this eye opening.

As long as I can remember, Dallas was always a very good to great team; from 1966 through 1982 they went to 11 NFCCG's and 5 Super Bowls.

Then they were not very good for about 7 years, then thanks mostly to the Walker trade and hiring Johnson, they had a tremendous 5 year run going 3-0 in the Super Bowl.

When you look back at their run from 1966 through 1982, they lost 7 NFCCG's and yes, they won 2 Super Bowls, but beat the up and coming Dolphins and the Broncos who got to the Super Bowl thanks to a blown call on the goal line vs the Raiders, they lost to the Colts in a rock fight and lost twice to those loaded Steeler teams of the 1970's.

And as you pointed out, they have not been very good for close to 24 years, zero playoff wins.

I'm still pissed at them for losing at home to the Giants in the 2007/08 playoffs.

Again; wow.
 

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Their record is actually very good - 208-192. Poor playoff results, as you note. Still, I think that's a pretty far cry from the Clevelands and Detroits.
51.7% winning percentage since 2000. That's pretty average, with a single season of playoff success. It is not very good.
 

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I agree with your stance, but I think using playoff wins as evidence has a flaw. A team can conceivably get 3 in a single year, meaning one or two good seasons since 1995 puts them higher on the ladder than Dallas, but without sustained performance.

The larger issue at play is Dallas's lack of playoff success vs the combination of expectation and, for lack of a better phrase, public standing. A team given as much media and fan respect as the Cowboys SHOULD have been better in the playoffs over the past quarter-century. That makes them a larger subjective failure than teams viewed in lesser light, regardless of overall records
I agree. But I can only use the statistics that exist. One cannot argue that Dallas has more playoff wins than the Jags, Panthers, or Jets since 1996. In fact, they have less than half the wins versus all three. I'm not making up numbers and they are really bad.

For a team as well regarded as Dallas, the actual results are poor. And we're talking 25 years.
 

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I agree. But I can only use the statistics that exist. One cannot argue that Dallas has more playoff wins than the Jags, Panthers, or Jets since 1996. In fact, they have less than half the wins versus all three. I'm not making up numbers and they are really bad.

For a team as well regarded as Dallas, the actual results are poor. And we're talking 25 years.

Ah, but #1 on the Forbes big board.