2020 Pats: Bengals Coach Implies Patriots Taping Play Signals
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Someone asked why the Pats would tell the Browns. I replied asking how else they’d get access to the press box. Someone then asked me why not just tape from the stands.
Good times.
Look at all the obvious questions that had to be avoided or ignored to make Deflategate a thing.
The Pats do not get any benefit of the doubt. How many times does this have to happen before they're cognizant of this stuff?
You say "caught". So you think this was a planned thing? That this crew was sent there to video signals from behind while wearing team gear?
In a sane world, this is a nothing burger. But, incredibly stupid to even slightly risk it with the league again. Especially for some effing internet doc that 5 people will watch. The Krafts increasingly don’t seem nearly as smart as people might assume they are.
Speaking for myself, there’s nothing nefarious going on here, it’s too stupid to imagine. Doesn’t mean it’s not a gigantic error by the Pats which they seem to be admitting to.
Schefter's reporting of this was pretty cut and dry. Focused on the independence of the camera crew and the Pats taking responsibility. IIRC, the initial Deflategate crap included several reports about people inside the NFL being livid.
Or, the last time people made a big deal out of nothing, the Pats ripped off four straight SB appearances, winning three of them, and they want to avoid continuing to poke the bear.
If you mean a media-driven narrative which the public eats up because everyone hates the Patriots, then yes.
If it's proven that football ops got the footage and gained something from it, I'll change my stance. Or if it's proven thatBut since they filmed this yesterday from like 12-4 while the Pats were literally getting ready for and playing a game when would they have time to review this footage?
So, I would hope next time the film crew alerts the stadium and wears clothing identifying them as part of the Patriots.
You give a license to the NFL. The broadcast is an NFL property. But just by showing up at an NFL game does not give anyone else the right to use your likeness. (Unless something newsworthy happens at the game, like Jerry Jones falling off the balcony. Then your presence is a fair use.)
But if you show up at an NFL game and video me and try to use it commercially you must get my clearance. I doubt the license extends to all 32 clubs. Maybe the home team.
100% this. The only reason the league might let this slide is that they've got BB on NFL Network constantly with the NFL 100 thing. They don't want to have a "cheater" on air every few minutes.
Though maybe the league will let BB walk and just say it was an "organizational" mistake and fine Kraft.
Well, they were caught doing something wrong and admitted it. It’d be weird and dumb if they were filming the Bengals from the press box. But it’d also be weird and dumb if they didn’t know to notify the Bengals and league or avoid filming sidelines.
It’s an obscure rule to us, because it’s not our business. They should’ve known and followed the rule. There can’t be a ton to register when filming documentaries.
You responded to a post asking why it would be nefarious if they had to ask for permission. So this is a logical extension of that.
yes, I agree they weren’t cheating, but to anyone who says they were, I ask why would they cheat to get an advantage on the Bengals? It’s a slam dunk win
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This comes down to whether the NFL buys the Patriots' series of events. I have doubts that NE would be so brazen to film the Bengals' sideline in front of media and Cinci scouts in the press box. That being said, the Patriots should have informed the production crew of NFL rules.
This comes down to whether the NFL buys the Patriots' series of events. I have doubts that NE would be so brazen to film the Bengals' sideline in front of media and Cinci scouts in the press box. That being said, the Patriots should have informed the production crew of NFL rules.
What’s your angle here. The Pats statement admits they violated league rules. For a team that lost a first round pick for doing the same thing this should never, ever happen again.
What we don’t know, and what the league may not know, is how common this is. If 15 teams are sitting around with hours of incidental footage of the field in the archives of their various web production facilities, then this is a can of worms the league doesn’t want.
If everyone knows the rules of the road on this — like if the Cowboys know that when filming their stadium promotion pieces to always point the camera toward the back of the stadium and not the field — then the Patriots are fucked.
So you believe that a video crew sent to do a project on the job of advanced scouts actually were told specifically to film the field for the coaches to steal information? I don't know where to begin to disagree with that.
There's no way that's the case.
I watched a Netflix documentary (commercial use) where they showed the crowd at a Dodgers game. They did not get the permission of everyone shown on camera.
Are waivers not on tickets or posted in stadiums? I haven’t bought one in forever, but I’m pretty sure it’s part of the “contract” the fan agrees to as part of the purchase.
He has spentevery game thread shitting on the team so he’s taking a victory lap here, I guess.
Because they somehow redirected the Chiefs’ equipment to New Jersey and banked on winning that game by forfeit.
If you accept the Patriots explanation of this story, then you're right
The problem is, those who will accept the Patriots explanation are the minority ... as we have seen in previous issues
Lol. This QB looked so shitty on tape, but he’s playing great today and looks so much taller in person!
Well for one thing smartphones in 2007 weren’t great filming devices. These days with high local storage capacity, cloud computing, and high def cameras they actually are adequate for doing scout video. Especially if all you’re doing is filming the sidelines to spy on non-existent signals.
Or stupid enough to think that a documentary camera crew employed by someone else was a BIA front.
They were filming an episode about an advance scout. What does the advance scout do? Chart plays, look at patterns, study players, study coaches. It's not at all unthinkable that a set of B-Roll would be about some substance the scout was analyzing, so that documentary viewers could have pointed out to them what the scout was seeing.
...but if so, there's no reason for anyone to beg to delete it. And even if not, unless the rule has changed since 2007 there's no reason for anyone to be embarrassed about filming a team's sideline or coaches - as long as it's from the press box (or stands).
The whole theory by Russini is nearly as dumb as the theory-of-cheating behind Ballghazi. It's underwear-gnomes-esque: 1. Let air out of footballs so that they are limp and unthrowable. 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!
It’s not a fucking spy operation. The Pats statement makes complete sense and is entirely believable given what we know and it is still an incredibly stupid mistake by someone associates with the Patriots and they also deserve whatever is coming their way over it. I never say this about the Pats but they look like fucking morons here and that’s the charitable view because otherwise they are trying to cheat to best the pathetic Bengals.
Was it about the Larry David thing? That would be a fair use.
This is not my area of the law but it’s way more restrictive than people understand.
I mean, the Chiefs - another well run organization - just had an equipment manager FORGET PADS on game day. Well run organizations have individuals who fuck up, too.
How they allowed this to happen is pretty amazing.
How they allowed this to happen is pretty amazing.
It may have been.
That said, the Patriots are part of the NFL. The NFL likely has some kind of blanket consent when you buy a ticket.
C’mon.they violated league rules about videotaping. In both cases they might be technicalities but optics matter.if you cannot bring yourself to admit this is a massive unforced error at least.
I'm drawing a major distinction between the last time being a football staff and this being a production crew that included independent contractors. The last time was an attempt to create a competitive advantage. This wasn't.
It should not be treated the same--by the media or the NFL.
I never said it wasn't a dumb mistake.
Why would the Patriots release at the two minute warning necessarily be coordinated with the league?
They are. Remember a dude was famously exonerated for a crime because he happened to be at the Dodgers game Curb was filming.
Sadly, this thread reads like a shelter dog that's been beat too much. This will result in a fine and maybe some league wide memos reminding about filming guidelines and proper credential rights and clearances. Step off the ledge, people.
Going back to this--maybe the doc was fair use. Was the Larry David Show fair use?
You would think that
I think that’s wishful thinking. I’ll be shocked if this isn’t the top story in sports by 6pm tomorrow night, complete with the usual bull shit narratives built entirely on media speculation.