2020 Pats: Kraft One-Ups Brady’s Departure

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Can't see the police dropping the charges if only because they literally have him on tape. But yes no jail time.

I wonder if the video will leak?
Probably not right away, but TMZ will get it eventually.
 

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Based on the volume of men these women were forced to service and the length of the investigation, why were only 200 men named?
They don't necessarily need to get every guy that solicited for a misdemeanor to scare some of the others, and they were getting names from traffic stops outside the place. They had to have a legit reason for the stop.
 

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Espn says the PD plans to release the tapes and the copy of Kraft’s arrest report/warrant. Is that normal protocol or are they going out of their way to expose him?
Florida, baby! Sunshine law :).

I don’t think they’ll release all the tapes, but enough to prove their point is my guess.
 

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Even if you're not running the massage parlor or trafficking, Kraft and other "customers" know that if they have an accent there may be a good chance they are here illegally and by paying money to these women you are helping human trafficking and are almost as guilty as the parlor owners and the traffickers. Kraft does know this.
Yes, and everyone who smoked pot or did a line or two in college in the 80s and 90s should be held responsible for the drug war deaths in Columbia and Mexico.
 

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Yes, and everyone who smoked pot or did a line or two in college in the 80s and 90s should be held responsible for the drug war deaths in Columbia and Mexico.
There are a number of intervening steps that make the difference here. It was probably not difficult to deduce that slavery/sex trafficking was going on at that joint and the Johns just didn’t care.

The drug war/cartel stuff is supply chain stuff, which while awful is pretty much something everyone is guilty of: buying food pretty much implicates you in a whole host of awful stuff but at least a lot less directly than this.
 

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It essentially means what you think it means: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0796/Sections/0796.07.html

Kraft will be charged with 2(f) or 2(i), depending.

Most defenses are factual, but you can't effectively argue that you were surprised a *second* time. Well, I couldn't at least, but I imagine someone could put a good face on it.
So, if I’m reading this correctly, if one were to go to a different Asian massage parlor every time? You essentially would never have to mount a ‘surprised second time’ defense? Asking for a friend.
 

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There are a number of intervening steps that make the difference here. It was probably not difficult to deduce that slavery/sex trafficking was going on at that joint and the Johns just didn’t care.

The drug war/cartel stuff is supply chain stuff, which while awful is pretty much something everyone is guilty of: buying food pretty much implicates you in a whole host of awful stuff but at least a lot less directly than this.
Sex trafficking involves supply chains too. Don’t jump through mental hoops trying to convince yourself otherwise. Commodities, nothing more, nothing less.
 

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There are a number of intervening steps that make the difference here. It was probably not difficult to deduce that slavery/sex trafficking was going on at that joint and the Johns just didn’t care.

The drug war/cartel stuff is supply chain stuff, which while awful is pretty much something everyone is guilty of: buying food pretty much implicates you in a whole host of awful stuff but at least a lot less directly than this.
I’m curious, what makes you say this?
 

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It essentially means what you think it means: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0796/Sections/0796.07.html

Kraft will be charged with 2(f) or 2(i), depending.

Most defenses are factual, but you can't effectively argue that you were surprised a *second* time. Well, I couldn't at least, but I imagine someone could put a good face on it.
Who writes this stuff.

2(i) seems facially unconstitutional. “To purchase the services of any person engaged in prostitution.” Services is not defined. So, it’s a misdemeanor if my plumber is a prostitute.

Not really relevant for this situation but that’s dumb.
 

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It was probably not difficult to deduce that slavery/sex trafficking was going on at that joint and the Johns just didn’t care.
Wait. What? That’s a ridiculous statement.

Maybe I’m naive, but are all these places, all hookers, all strippers... slaves being trafficked? If so, I have learned something new. Seriously. I know it’s a big issue, but to presume that is the case seems absurd. Maybe a prostitute is just a duck?
 

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There are a number of intervening steps that make the difference here. It was probably not difficult to deduce that slavery/sex trafficking was going on at that joint and the Johns just didn’t care.
This mentality is what got two US citizens arrested in Montana for speaking Spanish. It just isn't as simple--or as appropriate--to assume accents = illegal immigrant as several people I respect have suggested in this thread.
 

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I dunno. The timing of the release seems premature...
It’s been at least 4 minutes...what’s taking so long?
Sex trafficking involves supply chains too. Don’t jump through mental hoops trying to convince yourself otherwise. Commodities, nothing more, nothing less.
Looking at a human being who has been trafficked and is essentially being held against her will and participating in forcing that person to perform sex acts on you is different than looking at a bud or a line and smoking/snorting it.
Human beings should not be considered ‘commodities, nothing more nothing less.’
Don’t jump through mental hoops to try to convince yourself otherwise.
 

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That sure is a lot of police time spent on busting a place everyone knew was a handjob parlor. I guess there's no real crime in Jupiter.

How far is Jupiter from Venus?
 

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It’s been at least 4 minutes...what’s taking so long?

Looking at a human being who has been trafficked and is essentially being held against her will and participating in forcing that person to perform sex acts on you is different than looking at a bud or a line and smoking/snorting it.
Human beings should not be considered ‘commodities, nothing more nothing less.
Don’t jump through mental hoops to try to convince yourself otherwise.
What about from the POV of the trafficker/supplier? That may have been nola's point.
 

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I just realized that we are, without a shadow of the doubt, THE Ric Flair of the NFL.
 

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Espn says the PD plans to release the tapes and the copy of Kraft’s arrest report/warrant. Is that normal protocol or are they going out of their way to expose him?
Kraft, at this point, is the biggest name involved ... and he has come out and denied he did anything illegal. The police saying they will release the video simply might be their way of saying he might want to cut a deal before he's embarrassed further.

They're not going out of their way. They got a famous person involved in a case, which can bring attention to a serious issue. It keeps the case in the national spotlight.
 

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Not that it looks like the FBI needs it, but getting him to flip would help the prosecution of the management of the spa.
 

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Who writes this stuff.

2(i) seems facially unconstitutional. “To purchase the services of any person engaged in prostitution.” Services is not defined. So, it’s a misdemeanor if my plumber is a prostitute.

Not really relevant for this situation but that’s dumb.
Well, you'd call either one for a clogged pipe.
 

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It's quite a leap to go from "they have an accent" to "they must be here illegally" and one hell of a leap to go from "they have an accent" to "they must have been trafficked here."
Quite a leap is right; if this is the case, I'm going to have to have a long talk with my cleaning lady. Apparently "More lemon pledge" is code for something else then.
 

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Has there been any indication of when the rest of those charged would be announced ... including Scheffer's "bigger name"?
 

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Not that it looks like the FBI needs it, but getting him to flip would help the prosecution of the management of the spa.
He’s charged with a misdemeanor that he does not even need to appear in court for. Why would he need to flip and why would he know anything about the spa management?

Not to mention flipping keeps him in the limelight.
 

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They're not going out of their way. They got a famous person involved in a case, which can bring attention to a serious issue. It keeps the case in the national spotlight.
Exactly. Trafficking of girls from China to work in massage palors has been a problem for a long time, and this is the first time the average middle class white American gave a fuck about it. It was always joked about in movies and other media. Now all of this faux outrage because it happens to involve the owner of the most hated team in the history of sports might actually move the needle of public consciousness and actually get some of these places shut down for good. The FBI is doing its job.
 

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He’s charged with a misdemeanor that he does not even need to appear in court for. Why would he need to flip and why would he know anything about the spa management?

Not to mention flipping keeps him in the limelight.
Also not to mention, they have video. Why do they even need someone to flip?
 

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Maybe I’m naive, but are all these places, all hookers, all strippers... slaves being trafficked? If so, I have learned something new. Seriously. I know it’s a big issue, but to presume that is the case seems absurd. Maybe a prostitute is just a duck?
Yes, I would assume that many prostitutes who operate in that environment are being coerced. Especially if they are foreign nationals / do not speak the local language.
 
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Human trafficking isn't a real crime?
Too many people are focusing on the prostitution part of this. It's easy to joke about and it justifies trying to give those caught up in it a quasi-pass.

Does it mean that they knew these women were trafficking victims? Of course not. But going in there, they weren't on a fact-finding mission; so, they didn't care who the women were.