2020 Pats: NE Trade Deadline Thread

What are your thoughts on the trade deadline?

  • The Patriots should be sellers and will be sellers

    Votes: 31 32.3%
  • The Patriots should be sellers but won't be sellers

    Votes: 44 45.8%
  • The Patriots should be buyers and will be buyers

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • The Patriots should be buyers but won't be buyers

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • The Patriots won't buy or sell

    Votes: 16 16.7%

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BigJimEd

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In order to free up some cap space last season.
Yes they gained about $5M in cap space in August when they were already under the cap by about $8M. For that Brady got an $8M raise.

That restructure and the guaranteed dollars to Brown were a couple big reasons they entered the offseason near the bottom in cap space.
 

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If we can see that Edelman isn't the same player that he's been, and the media is talking openly about his knee, why doesn't anyone think an opposing team would give anything of value for him?
I don't think we'd get much, but he's not expensive for essentially half a year, but who knows if something like Edelman and (likely early-ish) 5th bring you a late 4th?
 

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Per Dan Wetzel, of Yahoo Sports:

Gilmore: worth a 1st, possibly "significantly" more.
Thuney: will attrach something "decent".
Edelman: will have "value" to contender.
Burkhead: late round pick.
Newton/Hoyer: maybe. Call Dallas.
 

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Per Dan Wetzel, of Yahoo Sports:

Gilmore: worth a 1st, possibly "significantly" more.
Thuney: will attrach something "decent".
Edelman: will have "value" to contender.
Burkhead: late round pick.
Newton/Hoyer: maybe. Call Dallas.
I disagree with regards to Gilmore. He’s 30. If he were 26 then I could see a first round pick but not when he’s 30 already.
 

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CB is a high value position in the NFL, and we're talking about the reigning DPOY. He has to be worth a 1st rounder, in my opinion. The only argument I could imagine against that would be if he's not playing well this season for whatever reason - but I don't think we have good evidence on that.
 

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I doubt they're getting a 1st for Gilmore. He's four years older than Jalen Ramsey was, and look what happened to LA in the contract negotiations after that deal. Teams learn from situations like that.

I'd do backflips if they got a 2nd in '21 and maybe a 2nd or 3rd in '22.
 

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Given that any team trading for Gilmore is likely to be a playoff contender, a second round pick just isn't enough because you're probably looking at pick in the 50-65 range. I'm not trading Gilmore for that and doubt Belichick is either. If someone wants to pony up a 2nd and 2nd/3rd in 2022 or something like that, then I start to listen. Agree that a 1st is unlikely.
 

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I disagree with regards to Gilmore. He’s 30. If he were 26 then I could see a first round pick but not when he’s 30 already.
If Gilmore were 26 he'd probably bring back at least 2 1sts (see Ramsey who at 25 got 2 #1 and a 4).

I think there is an outside chance someone ponies up a 1st (his deal for next year is very good), but more likely I think it's something like a 2nd and a 4th, or a 2nd and a future 3rd that you're looking at.
 

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What are the teams that are desperate enough to give up a 1st and also have the cap room to give Gilmore a new contract? The uncertainty with the cap is going to play a big factor.
I mean, who knows? I would assume Wetzel knows, generally speaking, of what he's writing about.
 

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I mean, who knows? I would assume Wetzel knows, generally speaking, of what he's writing about.
Per OTC, off of a $176 million cap here's the teams that might be interested in Gilmore and their cap spaces.
Seattle--$30 million
Cleveland--$27 million
Tampa--$26 million
Arizona--$25 million
Tennessee--$13 million
GB--$3 million
Chicago--$3 million
LV--$5 million over the cap
KC--currently $12.8 million over the cap
New Orleans--$78 million over the cap
 

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Seattle seems so obvious ... especially after what we saw last night.
 

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Gilmore certainly doesn't have the value of Ramsey, but I think the money certainly matters. Acquiring team would have Gilmore for ~$6.5mn the remainder of this year, $7.5mn next year, and then could tag him the year after (2020 tag is $16.5mn... assuming modest inflation it's maybe $18mn area in 2 years). So all in, 2.5 years of Gilmore at $31-32mn. It's age 30-32, but is that worth way less than half of the opportunity to pay Ramsey $70mn in guaranteed money?
 

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i wont argue that our roster is pretty bare.

I will say this though. In the NFL not alot of guys are worth 1st or 2nds. So if we took most rosters Of .500 or below teams they might have 2-4 of those type of guys too.
So....Just because we have two (Gilly and Thuney) thats not as "bad as it seems".

What REALLY hurts is we dont have any guys who are "To young and too good to move" when it comes to Trades. Case in Point the Jags. Your not trading Shenault or Robinson for a 1st or second. (While we dont have young talent like that). But you might trade Josh Jones or Keelan Cole and even with those two its squinting. (Their version of Thuney and Gilmore).
 

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(While we dont have young talent like that). But you might trade Josh Jones or Keelan Cole and even with those two its squinting. (Their version of Thuney and Gilmore).
Wino? Duggar? JC Jackson?

Those are guys we want and expect to be a part of the next 12 win Patriots team.
 

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I love that we just casually assume the next 12 win season is a year or two away (and I mean we because we've all gotten that way, not a shot at you).

You know when the last 12 win Patriots team was prior to Belichick? I believe...never?
 

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I love that we just casually assume the next 12 win season is a year or two away (and I mean we because we've all gotten that way, not a shot at you).
I wasn't necessarily thinking that at all, but sure. However the assumption is you are building towards *something*. They are young enough and talented enough that we would assume they are part of what gets us there.
 

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Players BB has picked for NE in the 10-20 range:

2003 - #13 - Ty Warren
2008 - #10 - Jerod Mayo
2011 - #17 - Nate Solder

That's it. I'd be thrilled with that kind of success in the 2021 draft with their #1 pick.
 

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Manish Mehta is reporting that the Jets are looking to trade DL Quinnen Williams by the deadline. This is someone the Pats should buy. Young player at a position of need with a metric ton of potential. He's made a ton of improvements in only his 2nd year and is only 22 years old. Reportedly, the asking price is multiple Day 2 picks.
 

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Per OTC, off of a $176 million cap here's the teams that might be interested in Gilmore and their cap spaces.
Seattle--$30 million
Cleveland--$27 million
Tampa--$26 million
Arizona--$25 million
Tennessee--$13 million
GB--$3 million
Chicago--$3 million
LV--$5 million over the cap
KC--currently $12.8 million over the cap
New Orleans--$78 million over the cap
Seattle seems so obvious ... especially after what we saw last night.
I did look at this year's cap space too and Seattle has like $3.3 million left.
The bold is the main problem in taking on Gilmore. The second issue is they already invested a ton of draft capital in Jamal Adams.

The biggest issue with the defense is the complete absence of pass rush. GIlmore doesn't help them that way. Adams is tied for the team lead in sacks with 2 (in 2 1/2 games). Team has 9 sacks and one of the lowest pressure rates in the league (at least in the bottom 4). Getting Adams back will help a lot. The secondary isn't as bad as it looks because they have to try and cover guys for 5-6 seconds. They need at least 1 and maybe 2 pass rushers. Unless the Pats have one of those (and I don't think they do), there's no deal there.
 

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Manish Mehta is reporting that the Jets are looking to trade DL Quinnen Williams by the deadline. This is someone the Pats should buy. Young player at a position of need with a metric ton of potential. He's made a ton of improvements in only his 2nd year and is only 22 years old. Reportedly, the asking price is multiple Day 2 picks.
I would absolutely explore this if I was Belichick. For exactly the reasons you just gave.
 
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After today’s debacle, you can’t help but wonder if the Pats will quietly look to deal some vets. I doubt they’re ready to throw in the towel just yet but a loss to Buffalo and the playoff race is effectively done. So, who could potentially be moved?

Gilmore: 30 years-old and under team control for another year. Hasn’t played well this year but still would provide immense value to anyone who acquired him. I would like a 1st but probably would settle for a 2nd and lower round pick.

Edelman: Doesn’t look healthy so probably not going anywhere but SF just lost Samuel for a few weeks so maybe they bring the local boy home. Wouldn’t fetch more than a 5th at this point.

White: Could help someone but going through tragedy so can’t imagine we’d trade him.

Thuney: Never pulled the trigger but would be able to helps many teams and probably the 2nd most valuable trade chip.

Others? McCourty’s? Guy?
@BigSoxFan -- might I humbly suggest adding a simple poll to the OP: Should the Pats be Buyers or Sellers? (OK, maybe two polls: Should they be Buyers or Sellers? and Will they be Buyers or Sellers? )
 

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Manish Mehta is reporting that the Jets are looking to trade DL Quinnen Williams by the deadline. This is someone the Pats should buy. Young player at a position of need with a metric ton of potential. He's made a ton of improvements in only his 2nd year and is only 22 years old. Reportedly, the asking price is multiple Day 2 picks.
Doesn't make sense he'd be available unless the Jets are planning on a 7-year rebuild.

Jets Beat Writers Unanimously Shoot Down Manish Mehta's Quinnen Williams Trade Report
 

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Wino? Duggar? JC Jackson?

Those are guys we want and expect to be a part of the next 12 win Patriots team.
Wino has been sidelined for the last couple games. Is it game plan? Or talent.
Either one isnt good. Either he is too one dimensional to stay on the field week to week. Or He isnt as talented as Calhoun. Neither are inspiring.

I will grant there is still hope as he has had some good moments.

Duggar is totally unproven IMHO. And when he has been out there has not shown me much. Convince me. I am willing. I just dont see that he is all that. Again granted he is young....well a rookie...so he could certainly develop. But my point as you know was in regards to trade value and roster value, and he really doesnt have any, nor has he shown that we NEED to keep him. We are kinda damned to keep him for the time being.

And JC Jackson your totally right about. I totally whiffed on him. What do we think Jackson would bring back in trade now that you bring him up. Maybe more then Thuney. But if one of Gilmore or JC goes it should be Gilmore because of economics.
 

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I don't think they are going to trade Newton because BB clearly still thinks he's the best option to win games this year, and BB isn't a "screw it, let's blow it up" kind of guy, even for a season.

Gilmore does seem like an obvious trade candidate and I'd be saying that even if the Patriots were doing well this year, just given his cap number and the Patriots' need to improve at a number of positions through the draft. Thuney's injury complicates things somewhat but I also wouldn't be surprised if they traded him, again largely due to the economics and because BB has made similar trades before. Then again if the Pats are truly hitching their wagon to Cam maybe they want the strongest OL around him they can get.

I'd be perfectly fine trading Edelman too, but I honestly doubt anyone else wants him at this stage in his career and also suspect BB would be very hesitant to trade the one veteran presence in the receiving corps, despite his lack of production this year.

Finally, I wouldn't at all be surprised if BB also trades for one or more lower-profile players, in the mode of their trade for Van Noy in 2016 (whom they took from the Lions almost for free, just switching sixth and seventh round picks).
 

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Wino has been sidelined for the last couple games. Is it game plan? Or talent.
Either one isnt good. Either he is too one dimensional to stay on the field week to week. Or He isnt as talented as Calhoun. Neither are inspiring.
Appears to be jackassery instead. He got the foolish PF on the INT return, and Reiss's note #3.
 

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Hopefully thats it @Harry Hooper (though thats not great....)


Look I like the kid. I think he can be a starter level player. I dont think he will be a star.

My point was teams are not going to give up decent (2nd day) picks for the Chase Winovichs of the world. And that we dont have players that teams WOULD give up day 2 picks to acquire. (again talking young players not Gilly or Thuney).
All this is said in a way, not that we should necessarily trade those young guys, but rather to illustrate how bad the roster really is compared to much of the NFL. In that our young guys are kinda average to sucky.

So not only do we not have "A star" level player (I am not counting Cam or Gilly here) but we dont have many good, not great, cheap young players.

JC Jackson might be an exception. Wino could become someone like that. Duggar has some ways to go and is just as likely never to get there. Assasi could become one of those guys. But today, we dont have any (except Jackson).
 

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I don't think the Patriots are buyers, but Carlos Dunlap is getting traded for sure at this point, as the team told him to stay home.
He has base salaries of 7.8 this year and 10.1 next year.

PFF loved him last year (42nd best grade overall).
 

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Manish Mehta is reporting that the Jets are looking to trade DL Quinnen Williams by the deadline. This is someone the Pats should buy. Young player at a position of need with a metric ton of potential. He's made a ton of improvements in only his 2nd year and is only 22 years old. Reportedly, the asking price is multiple Day 2 picks.
A thousand % yes. Williams was considered to be the best player in that draft class.

Multiple day 2 picks? This is a case where BB can pick up ammo via Gilly (sadly), Thuney, and others and swap some of them for the talented--and young-- DL.

I highly doubt the Jets FO will trade with NE, however. The potential for a fallout is too great.
 

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A buy-low candidate may be WR John Ross. Bengals didn't pick up his 5th-year option and is paid $2.6m for the year (not pro-rated).

Given he's a UFA after the season, it could be an extended tryout for the receiver. He's had injury & consistency issues but a change of scenery could help.

 

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I don't think the Patriots are buyers, but Carlos Dunlap is getting traded for sure at this point, as the team told him to stay home.
He has base salaries of 7.8 this year and 10.1 next year.

PFF loved him last year (42nd best grade overall).
Yeah, too bad he wasn't available last year. Turns 32 in February so doesn't really make sense for the Patriots. Would be perfect for a team like Seattle who needs a pass rushing threat.