I bet Hightower is done in NE. Pats can save $9m against the cap cutting him. $11m cap number after a year off? I'm all set.Some of the players who are opting out (Chung, for example) could just retire or be cut next year.
I bet Hightower is done in NE. Pats can save $9m against the cap cutting him. $11m cap number after a year off? I'm all set.Some of the players who are opting out (Chung, for example) could just retire or be cut next year.
Agreed, I'd echo what I said about Hightower in Chung's case as wellDefinitely feeling a strong "Chung just retired" vibe in all this.
Jeff Howe said in the article he just posted that Hightower was interested in a contract extension a few months ago. They could extend him and lower his 2021 cap number.Agreed, I'd echo what I said about Hightower in Chung's case as well
Before COVID ... but even at that, his interest doesn't mean the Patriots would be interested. What I said was that we've probably seen his final game as a Patriot.Jeff Howe said in the article he just posted that Hightower was interested in a contract extension a few months ago. They could extend him and lower his 2021 cap number.
Retired, but got paid $150k for doing nothing in the process. There are worse moves.Definitely feeling a strong "Chung just retired" vibe in all this.
A lot of discussion about that above. Miguel's feed is the best place to understand the cap implications of pretty much everything and the fact that he does it in the context of discussing the Patriots is a big bonus for us.Is there a QnD primer on cap impact from players opting out in 2020?
Do contracts extend by a year for a 2020 opt-out, or is the 2020 season just wiped away and the contract of a player resume in 2021 as it would have as if he played in 2020?
Thanks DDBA lot of discussion about that above. Miguel's feed is the best place to understand the cap implications of pretty much everything and the fact that he does it in the context of discussing the Patriots is a big bonus for us.
Some of the general principles that were hashed out above:
1. Contracts roll a year forward for opt outs. Whatever the terms were for a given year become the terms for one year later.
2. Pro-rated cap hits from prior signing bonuses or other tricks are still charged this year.
3. When the player opts out, his 2020 cap hit comes off the books for things not mentioned in 2.
4. Surprisingly, if Miguel is to be believed (a fairly good bet), 2020 will be the baseline for determining whether opted out players' incentives in 2021 are likely to be earned or not. And, because none of them will take a snap, pretty much all incentive bonuses that were due to players in 2020, who opt out, will become NLTBE in 2021. I am going to wait for more confirmation on this.
5. NFL and NFLPA have agreed that the cap won't go down by more than about $23 million max next year. This almost certainly means that they are borrowing from future years given the likely impact on revenue this year, so it will probably be several years until we're back to $200 million.
Unanswered lurking questions: What are the cap and contract impacts if a team cannot play all 16 games this year? I say unanswered in the sense that I don't know the answer and haven't seen anything super reliable to answer the question, but I assume that there actually is an answer already in the NFL/NFLPA agreement, but we just don't know it. It is a very significant question, because, especially for older players, it could really motivate the opt out decision.
Apparently, the opt out can be revoked or renegotiated. Again, I haven't seen firm reporting on that other than it was in one of the offers. What this would mean for the current year toll and salary cap is not clear (to me at least).
I disagree. He's still got a lot left in the tank and is only 31 years old when he'd return. I think the Patriots would definitely be interested in him returning.Before COVID ... but even at that, his interest doesn't mean the Patriots would be interested. What I said was that we've probably seen his final game as a Patriot.
The opt outs are described as "generally irrevocable". It would have to take something pretty crazy for it to be revoked and as far as I have read there is no known appeals process.A lot of discussion about that above. Miguel's feed is the best place to understand the cap implications of pretty much everything and the fact that he does it in the context of discussing the Patriots is a big bonus for us.
Some of the general principles that were hashed out above:
1. Contracts roll a year forward for opt outs. Whatever the terms were for a given year become the terms for one year later.
2. Pro-rated cap hits from prior signing bonuses or other tricks are still charged this year.
3. When the player opts out, his 2020 cap hit comes off the books for things not mentioned in 2.
4. Surprisingly, if Miguel is to be believed (a fairly good bet), 2020 will be the baseline for determining whether opted out players' incentives in 2021 are likely to be earned or not. And, because none of them will take a snap, pretty much all incentive bonuses that were due to players in 2020, who opt out, will become NLTBE in 2021. I am going to wait for more confirmation on this.
5. NFL and NFLPA have agreed that the cap won't go down by more than about $23 million max next year. This almost certainly means that they are borrowing from future years given the likely impact on revenue this year, so it will probably be several years until we're back to $200 million.
Unanswered lurking questions: What are the cap and contract impacts if a team cannot play all 16 games this year? I say unanswered in the sense that I don't know the answer and haven't seen anything super reliable to answer the question, but I assume that there actually is an answer already in the NFL/NFLPA agreement, but we just don't know it. It is a very significant question, because, especially for older players, it could really motivate the opt out decision.
Apparently, the opt out can be revoked or renegotiated. Again, I haven't seen firm reporting on that other than it was in one of the offers. What this would mean for the current year toll and salary cap is not clear (to me at least).
Ok, yeah -- thanks for that. It seems consistent with what Miguel says about NLTBE because otherwise it would just be unmanageable if a player could come back.The opt outs are described as "generally irrevocable". It would have to take something pretty crazy for it to be revoked and as far as I have read there is no known appeals process.
I really love Hightower and I hope he is not done. He was very productive in 2019. I am also Blinded by the Lombardis, the guy makes big plays in big games. In this second incarnation of the dynasty, he is one of my top 5 favorite players.I bet Hightower is done in NE. Pats can save $9m against the cap cutting him. $11m cap number after a year off? I'm all set.
I think that any player with a large guarantee for this season should strongly consider opting out rather than having the guarantee rollover protection.
I clicked into the comments (yes, I know, never read the comments) and was pleasantly surprised with the support for his decision.
Pats were already one of the leaders in season to season snaps lost to roster turnover before this decision. They were a heavy defense team and lost two of their guys who performed well at multiple roles.The LB core has none of the 3 main starters from 2019. That’s incredible.Three questions:
If a guy on a 1 year deal opts out is he gone?
If season is canceled are guys on 1 year deals gone?
Do we want a "scab" Pats team to play a shortened NFL schedule, go 1-8 and draft Trevor Lawrence and why is the answer yes?
There’s plenty of film to watch, and the pre-draft vetting process (combine, workouts, etc.) won’t be disrupted to the degree it was this year. Predicting how players will react to a year off is obviously a wild card. The draft is always a crapshoot; maybe the 2021 version will be a bit more so, but I wouldn’t be dumping picks or anything.what exactly can one expect from a 2021 draft if there is no college football or tons of opt outs? would they just stay another year to improve their stock? take the gamble and go straight to the NFL? Not sure I would bank on a 2021 draft to reload this roster if NFL can't scout
And if there is one team that will be prepared for this, based on what we know about how they scout, it will be the Pats.There’s plenty of film to watch, and the pre-draft vetting process (combine, workouts, etc.) won’t be disrupted to the degree it was this year. Predicting how players will react to a year off is obviously a wild card. The draft is always a crapshoot; maybe the 2021 version will be a bit more so, but I wouldn’t be dumping picks or anything.
I am not sure the Patriots have the biggest target on themDo other teams/players see so many Patriots opt out and figure, "this year we got 'em" so they go ahead and play?
Certainly do inside the division given the reign of terror but that’s about it.I am not sure the Patriots have the biggest target on them
I think they see the ones still opting in and think that.Do other teams/players see so many Patriots opt out and figure, "this year we got 'em" so they go ahead and play?
They have till August 4th or shortly thereafter to opt out. Apparently there are many more coming, from other teams. According to Jeff Howe, no more are expected from the Pats.i am shocked that not more guys have not opted out
I honestly wish our 68 year old best coach of all time would sit this one out instead of exposing himself to a deadly virus, but we all know he’s just not wired that way.I would frankly love to see nearly the whole team opt-out except young players and a boat load of UDFA signings to cover the bases to give Bill a half season(or whatever is played) worth of data to bring forward a wave of Diamonds in the rough when actual football returns hopefully for the 2021-22 season. I don't care if they win a game this year as long as the major players don't sustain injuries and are ready to go next season.
he wants shula recordI honestly wish our 68 year old best coach of all time would sit this one out instead of exposing himself to a deadly virus, but we all know he’s just not wired that way.
Yeah that was my thought. He's 55 regular season wins away (likely 5-7 seasons) and can't afford to lose a single one.he wants shula record
Or he could have three 16-win seasons and just go .500 in a fourth one.All he needs is 4 14-win seasons and he's there.
start rooting for 18 game regular seasonsOr he could have three 16-win seasons and just go .500 in a fourth one.
I'd argue you have that backwards, but it doesn't really make a difference, that's still a long way out. We can't bank on 11-13 wins per year anymore.Regular season wins is a secondary record. He’s 44 away from breaking the all-time record including playoffs.
I will be surprised if the McCourty twins decide to play.They have till August 4th or shortly thereafter to opt out. Apparently there are many more coming, from other teams. According to Jeff Howe, no more are expected from the Pats.
I wonder how many of the opt-out people will retire next year, and how many will come back as better players because they had more recovery time.isn’t this season Lee’s best chance to prove himself as an NFL regular?