2020 TB12: The Decision 2020

How Would You Feel if Brady Left?

  • Completely devastated

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • Very disappointed but still got BB

    Votes: 84 45.4%
  • Hold my beer until we know our next QB

    Votes: 29 15.7%
  • Eh, this may turn out to be a plus

    Votes: 32 17.3%
  • Let the Stidham era begin!

    Votes: 16 8.6%

  • Total voters
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SeoulSoxFan

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Kraft doesn't want anything to do with AB, thus Brady's pressure campaign. Of course, resigning AB will make Kraft look magnanimous.
Because he wants Brady back.
So, how likely is it that Brady's pulling his weight and strongly "suggesting" a reunion with AB as a condition for his return? 5%? 50%? 75%?

You know, Brady has never been this (publically) attached to a player who has played so little with NE.

My only guess is that he really, really, REALLY saw something special between him and the troubled but talented receiver during those several days as teammates.
 

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AB would be (was the) the most dynamic receiver TB has had since Moss? Maybe better than Randy for TB's current skills (short and accurate passes based upon reading the D). Don't get me wrong, JE11 and Welker had a similar bond about finding weaknesses in D, but AB brings a level of explosiveness those guys don't / didn't have.

AB's off-field issues aside - I could see TB wanting someone with that skillset for his final few years. Would BB / RK go for it? Who knows. It could also be a negotiating ploy - TB wants AB, BB/RK say no way, so they settle for spending on another receiver.
 

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why do we think AB is even going to be allowed back in the NFL?

These AB rumors were tiresome in September. Can we get a moratorium on these until there is some reason to believe he'll ever play another game?
 

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why do we think AB is even going to be allowed back in the NFL?

These AB rumors were tiresome in September. Can we get a moratorium on these until there is some reason to believe he'll ever play another game?
No. We're not discussing this in vacuum. Brady is, oddly enough, is still constantly keeping in touch with AB.

Since Brady's destination is still unknown, the topic is relevant as long as Brady and AB are in the news together.
 

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Yes, Brady responded with a heart emoji to AB tweet obviously means he's pressuring Kraft and Belichick to sign AB.
 

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Yes, Brady responded with a heart emoji to AB tweet obviously means he's pressuring Kraft and Belichick to sign AB.
Yeah, Brady’s remained friendly with pretty much every player he’s played with. Here we have a guy he invited into his home and who obviously has a little man crush on Tommy, even after everything that went on with him in Foxboro.

I have to imagine that Tom is also familiar with the concept of risk vs. reward. Does he really believe spending assets / cap space on AB as opposed to a more stable individual who is on good terms with the league is wise?
 

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why do we think AB is even going to be allowed back in the NFL?

These AB rumors were tiresome in September. Can we get a moratorium on these until there is some reason to believe he'll ever play another game?
Are you suggesting the NFL will ban AB for life? Only five players have been given lifetime bans in the last 95 years. The two from the modern era -- Stanley Wilson (1989) and Bernard Williams (1995) -- were for drug-related offenses.

Yes, Brady responded with a heart emoji to AB tweet obviously means he's pressuring Kraft and Belichick to sign AB.
Just trying to read the tea leaves, my man. Still, you're understating the mutual social media ballwashing Brady and Brown have been engaging in for some months. Would Brady be happy with Marquise Goodwin? Sure, probably. But his chemistry with Brown was undeniable and frequently noted. And there have been numerous reports over the last three months that AB will go -- and perhaps only go -- where Brady goes. My read is Brady doesn't want to go anywhere.

Also, Belichick doesn't need to be convinced. Just Kraft.
 

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Just trying to read the tea leaves,
Great, I'll consult my psychic to see if they agree.

It's just wild speculation, I thought this place was supposed to be above that. Apparently not in this thread. Silly season indeed
 

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AB is going to be subject to a suspension by the league once he agrees to sign with another team. Every owner knows that, including Kraft, who is basically done with Brown anyway.
 

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With the caveats that I'm not excusing anything else AB did, that you really can never talk shit on your employer because that's the damn layer cake, and that AB's Kraft comments were clearly part of a larger pattern of abusive and inappropriate conduct....

If Bobby didn't want to be called out for getting mall hand jobs, he shouldn't have gotten mall hand jobs. Punting on a chance to win because he has thin skin over being mocked about that is hyper petty.
 

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Belichick got burned to the tune of ten million in cap space for a player who kept on the straight and narrow less than a week and since had multiple issues. I don’t think we even get to the Kraft question because of the Belichick question.

If Brady is trying to tie his coming back to AB we probably should get ready for some Stidham.

That said I highly doubt Brady is making that kind of demand.
 

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Time to remind everyone that Brown first hid the pending civil lawsuit for sexual assault from the Patriots when negotiating his contract, and then sent threatening text messages to a woman with whom he was in a legal dispute after the dispute was highlighted in a news article.

It was the latter incident that got Brown cut from the team and the compelled the Pats to file a grievance to recoup some of his bonus. The tweets about Kraft's massage parlor visit were nothing but a sideshow and are completely irrelevant. The chances of the Pats bringing AB back were less than 1% as it was even before the tweets.
 

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There is no question that AB is a huge liability from a financial and legal standpoint. Unbelievable behavior playing out in the most public way.

If he does ever play again, he will make some other fan base very unhappy as there is no way he will last a season without screwing it up.
 

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Yes, Brady responded with a heart emoji to AB tweet obviously means he's pressuring Kraft and Belichick to sign AB.
Absolutely no one here said he was pressuring him like an ultimatum, but it is interesting, and we heard from a few people that Brady was upset with the AB release. This entire thread is speculation. I get that it sucks if you don't like one of the directions that speculation and chatter is going, but it is what it is.
 
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here are my odds on brady Tenn 30% retirement 35% back to ne 30% SF 5 %

if he does not sign by March 25th he will retire

i think the most NE can offer is 2y 40 mil due to the fact ne has a lot of defense FA they want to keep but i think the only way they keep brady is a 2-year deal and this CBA has to be approved for ne to do so

here why other teams are out

Vegas is as simple as no AB LAC they have a great shot at tua or herbert at 6 plus LAC ownship is cheap will not add around brady couild had a 8 year run from 06-13 but due to getting the wrong fa go and wiffing on the draft
DAL they want dak back plus he is open for like a 3-4 year deal
NYG Gettman wants nothing in the way of danial jones

tenn does not Play NE in 2020 and that is a factor here but in 2021 they play in NE TB is the mystery team i think

i dont Tenn going higher then 2y 50 mil for brady
 

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j-man, your odds on retiring are too high given the stated play to 45 desire. Only way he retires is if nobody wants to pay him, so effectively are you saying there is a 35% chance no team wants him enough to pay him a reasonable QB rate?

Edit: I would put no deal = forced retirement at <10%. I would put NE at 40% and the remaining 15% on another team (TB? LV? Unclear)
 

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j-man, your odds on retiring are too high given the stated play to 45 desire. Only way he retires is if nobody wants to pay him, so effectively are you saying there is a 35% chance no team wants him enough to pay him a reasonable QB rate?

Edit: I would put no deal = forced retirement at <10%. I would put NE at 40% and the remaining 15% on another team (TB? LV? Unclear)
< 1%
 

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2. Weis relays his text exchange with Brady: Former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis always had a direct, blunt way of delivering a message, and that has continued in his role as a co-host on Sirius XM NFL Radio's "Opening Drive" program. Weis has remained close with Brady, and in response to rampant speculation on Brady's future, he relayed the following on Thursday's show: "I do have one bit of scoop for us. I've been texting with Tommy. I don't [usually] pass along these conversations, but one thing he told me -- 'Nobody knows anything. So anyone who is telling you they know, they don't know.' I'm not going through any other part of the conversation [but] I followed up and he said, 'Clean it up.' So I'm cleaning it up."
3. Brady's future in the red zone: When Brady tells Weis no one knows anything, this is my translation from Brady's viewpoint: How can anyone know anything about my future team when I don't know myself, as there is currently no indication of the type of financial/annual commitment coach Bill Belichick is willing to make? Once Brady gets that information definitively, and knows what he is agreeing to or walking away from, then the pieces should fall into place. That's why news that the players' vote on the collective bargaining agreement is to be completed by March 12 is significant; it will determine the financial rules under which all teams operate and should finally force Belichick to show his hand with four days on the calendar before other teams can legally negotiate with Brady's agents.
 

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Absolutely no one here said he was pressuring him like an ultimatum
Yes, they have....

Brady has a well-documented Twitter bromance ongoing with Antonio Brown. I wonder if this is his way of letting Kraft know he's willing to walk unless AB returns.
It's not the direction of any speculation, it's just the extreme wild speculation with no basis.
 
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Yes, they have....
It's not the direction of any speculation, it's just the extreme wild speculation with no basis.
Since there is wildly varying reports & guesses about Brady's next move, speculation is all we have at this point.

I fact, from free agents to trades to draftees, isn't the majority of an NFL offseason one big mess of a speculation anyway?

And there's certainly enough "basis" for "extremely wild speculation" regarding TB & AB, however low that bar may be.
 

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Since there is wildly varying reports & guesses about Brady's next move, speculation is all we have at this point.

I fact, from free agents to trades to draftees, isn't the majority of an NFL offseason one big mess of a speculation anyway?

And there's certainly enough "basis" for "extremely wild speculation" regarding TB & AB, however low that bar may be.
Brady liked a couple posts by AB is basis for saying Brady is telling Kraft he'll walking away if the Pat's don't sign Brown? C'mon, that is complete ridiculous.

It is one thing to say Brady had a good relationship with Vrabel so I could see him signing with these Titans.
It's a whole another things thing to extrapolate that Brady won't re- sign without Brown based on some emojis. That type of nonsense deserves to be called out. One should be able to back up there post with more than that.
 

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I think we have two things going on here.

1) AB is DESPERATELY trying to ride Brady's coattails to a job in the NFL. Really desperate.
2) Brady, in my opinion, is just replying pretty kindly and being encouraging to a player that he thinks has tremendous talent, and is obviously very troubled (Brady's view).

I honestly can't imagine that Brady would be stupid enough to demand any team that signs him bring in AB, and frankly, I don't think Tom actually would even recommend to a team that they invest in AB. I mean, the only way I would see it making sense would be if AB was willing to take a complete show me contract - veteran minimum, and all incentive beyond that. Nobody is really going to be gambling precious cap money on such a risk.
 

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This AB stuff is torturous. Can we all just agree this isn’t really a deciding factor for Brady and just move on? It was a fucking heart emoji.
 

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I’m more troubled by the fact that Brady, a 42 year-old man, is using emojis.
Well, it's not as bad as it could be; he could be on a message board have fights on topics he knows little about.

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j-man, your odds on retiring are too high given the stated play to 45 desire. Only way he retires is if nobody wants to pay him, so effectively are you saying there is a 35% chance no team wants him enough to pay him a reasonable QB rate?

Edit: I would put no deal = forced retirement at <10%. I would put NE at 40% and the remaining 15% on another team (TB? LV? Unclear)
the key is will NE give him a 2-year deal because that is what brady wants but mr kraft said its up to bill and i think bill wants to move on or a 1-yr deal

if Tenn its not interesting i dont know where brady will go if i was brady i wouild think about the bears
 

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These odds are pretty absurd. Especially that retirement number.
If Tenn goes with tanneyhill and bill only offers a 1-yr deal and SF keeps jimmy g and btw Brady would be a bad fit in shanny off then anywhere else he goes will be bad for him LV Gruden will not change his off LAC and Den have BAD OL lines and he wouild be out for the season by week 8 in both places Indy wants rivles or foles in DAL their new coach has a total diff off NYG they want to build around jones in Chi their GM does not want to admit he drafted a bust at 2 car is sticking with newton LAR cutting Goff wouild be 50 mil in dead money TB would offer whatever brady wanted but i heard their first choice was teddy b we all know he wants to play but 90% of the NFL does not wanting to be holding the bag if brady fails with a new team

and let say brady sings with Tenn is he ok playing in a 2001 type of off because heary is going to be the bell cow
 

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If Tenn goes with tanneyhill and bill only offers a 1-yr deal and SF keeps jimmy g and btw Brady would be a bad fit in shanny off then anywhere else he goes will be bad for him LV Gruden will not change his off LAC and Den have BAD OL lines and he wouild be out for the season by week 8 in both places Indy wants rivles or foles in DAL their new coach has a total diff off NYG they want to build around jones in Chi their GM does not want to admit he drafted a bust at 2 car is sticking with newton LAR cutting Goff wouild be 50 mil in dead money TB would offer whatever brady wanted but i heard their first choice was teddy b we all know he wants to play but 90% of the NFL does not wanting to be holding the bag if brady fails with a new team

and let say brady sings with Tenn is he ok playing in a 2001 type of off because heary is going to be the bell cow
Tom Brady will find a spot. There are so many options for him, with the Pats and the rest of the NFL. And he's given 0 indication whatsoever that he's thinking of retiring. It's the opposite, in fact. He even made a Super Bowl commercial where he literally said, "I'm not going anywhere."

He's not going anywhere. He'll be in the NFL.

edit - I am pretty sure Tom Brady wouldn't mind having a RB like Henry to hand off to. Yes, he would be ok with it, if he thought he could win a Super Bowl.
 

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Tom Brady will find a spot. There are so many options for him, with the Pats and the rest of the NFL. And he's given 0 indication whatsoever that he's thinking of retiring. It's the opposite, in fact. He even made a Super Bowl commercial where he literally said, "I'm not going anywhere."

He's not going anywhere. He'll be in the NFL.

edit - I am pretty sure Tom Brady wouldn't mind having a RB like Henry to hand off to. Yes, he would be ok with it, if he thought he could win a Super Bowl.
on the suface sure there are tons of choices but brady wife has said she wants to be somewhere warm which to me means LA Vegas or Fla but willie M nfl network said that she does not like LA i have seen too many star athletes say i am not going to retire and then 3 mos later retire

as a broncos fan i wouild sign him but because of denver awful OL young skill players and elway love of the bootleg off its not a fit
 

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but brady wife has said she wants to be somewhere warm
At this stage of the game, do we really think the richest woman in the world needs her primary home for the next 2 NFL seasons (or next 18 months or so) to be in a "warm" location as opposed to using vacation homes, hotels and all the things you could do as the richest woman in the world to be in warm places while TB plays in the football-strategically best place for him for those 2 seasons?

Not picking on you, but I really don't think anything but ability to win now with the right team is a factor.
 

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That Yates report reinforces what I've long believed, Brady is beating the bushes for a 3-year deal with the Pats offering a 2-year deal.
 

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At this stage of the game, do we really think the richest woman in the world needs her primary home for the next 2 NFL seasons (or next 18 months or so) to be in a "warm" location as opposed to using vacation homes, hotels and all the things you could do as the richest woman in the world to be in warm places while TB plays in the football-strategically best place for him for those 2 seasons?

Not picking on you, but I really don't think anything but ability to win now with the right team is a factor.
Not picking on you, but Gisele is nowhere near the richest woman in the world, like by a factor of 100.
 

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That Yates thread is circular gibberish.

Much like this thread.
FWIW, Bedard has a different view:

Field Yates was on the Patriots beat for a few seasons before landing at the ESPN Mothership for fantasy sports. He’s tremendously talented and was well-respected and well-liked by everyone.

More importantly, he worked for four years with the Patriots in scouting and coaching before that and he’s been close to the Belichick family for years from the days on Nantucket. Those are just facts.

Most importantly: regardless of his background, he bats 1.000 on his Patriots information. I can’t recall a time when he was wrong on anything, and he breaks a lot of Patriots news, usually of the small-ish variety but that’s the Patriots beat.

So when it comes to Field and Patriots news, I believe this: it’s right, and it’s (at least usually) from the Patriots’ coaching/front office staff perspective.
 

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FWIW, Bedard has a different view:
Perhaps I should restate: that thread is a grammatical abomination and crime against the English language that requires multiple readings to understand. I mean, he took four tweets to say, "The Pats offered a multi-year deal to Brady in August, he turned them down and wanted the option to hit free agency. The team is now waiting for him to propose an offer, not the other way around."

That said, I'm sure he has a lot of integrity and makes a wonderful beef stew in the Nantucket cold.
 

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Here's a different question: if we are rooting for the Pats to bring Brady back, do we want the CBA signed this week or not?
 
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