2020 TB12: The Decision 2020

How Would You Feel if Brady Left?

  • Completely devastated

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • Very disappointed but still got BB

    Votes: 84 45.4%
  • Hold my beer until we know our next QB

    Votes: 29 15.7%
  • Eh, this may turn out to be a plus

    Votes: 32 17.3%
  • Let the Stidham era begin!

    Votes: 16 8.6%

  • Total voters
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bosockboy

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The Raiders would be crazy to sign Brady. Carr is goofy AF, but he's competent to very good. How much longer is Brady going to be good to great? One year? Two? They need to get Carr some WR help and work on the defense, not fuck around with integrating an aging superstar into a new system and who probably won't be around for very long anyway.
I’m a Raiders guy and I think they are moving on from Carr this offseason. Signing Brady for two years while also drafting his replacement (Jacob Eason) is one option, that fits both football and marketing wise. Mariota is also a reclamation option; Gruden was absurdly high on him during his QB camp.
 

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out of left field, here, but I just saw a tweet in another thread from TB about the Kobe chopper crash. This has to be a moment for him to reflect on mortality - i wonder if it could push the needle more in the direction of retirement. From all I've seen of him with at SB celebrations, especially with his daughter, he seems like a loving father and I wonder if this makes him think more about life away form the NFL
 

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out of left field, here, but I just saw a tweet in another thread from TB about the Kobe chopper crash. This has to be a moment for him to reflect on mortality - i wonder if it could push the needle more in the direction of retirement. From all I've seen of him with at SB celebrations, especially with his daughter, he seems like a loving father and I wonder if this makes him think more about life away form the NFL
Probably doesn’t make a material impact on his decision but not a crazy point either. Tom is even older than Kobe and has a similar relationship with his kids. Today’s helicopter crash could be a car crash, quick illness, etc. It’s tough to tell the competitor to stop but it also puts life into perspective.
 

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Since the Patriots want to resolve this on the sooner rather than later side, can they permit Tom to go ahead and have him (or his agent) have discussions with other teams? Is that allowed?

I assume they couldn't release him, as that would likely trigger the same cap hit issues as signing him after the March deadline. But, basically, it seems like it'd be useful to try and get Brady to assess his market value sooner rather than later. He sure seems determined to understand that.
 

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Probably doesn’t make a material impact on his decision but not a crazy point either. Tom is even older than Kobe and has a similar relationship with his kids. Today’s helicopter crash could be a car crash, quick illness, etc. It’s tough to tell the competitor to stop but it also puts life into perspective.
It occurred to me that things like seeing Eli retire as a Giant and all the shots of Kobe as a Lakers player in the wake of the horrible news yesterday could make Tom consider the importance to him of being a career Patriots player.

That very well could be a reach but seeing career and actual obituaries that focus on iconic players (less so in Eli's case, of course) with their one team is the kind of thing I would hope might trigger in Tom thoughts about whether he really wants the PS on his career to be in a different uniform.

No doubt, the chance to win (assuming he sees Team X as having a better one than NE), the chance to make more money, the chance to get away from Bill and the chance to try something new, to the extent they are factors, all remain in place.
 

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Since the Patriots want to resolve this on the sooner rather than later side, can they permit Tom to go ahead and have him (or his agent) have discussions with other teams? Is that allowed?

I assume they couldn't release him, as that would likely trigger the same cap hit issues as signing him after the March deadline. But, basically, it seems like it'd be useful to try and get Brady to assess his market value sooner rather than later. He sure seems determined to understand that.
The Pats did let Deion Branch's agent go out and solicit offers.
 

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Preach Joe.

Asked specifically what advice he'd give Brady, the only player who has surpassed him in Super Bowl MVP awards (four to three), about possibly leaving the Patriots and signing with another team, Montana smiled and said, "Don't -- if you don't have to. It's a process to go through, and it takes time to get used to the team. I was fortunate because (former 49ers quarterbacks coach) Paul Hackett was there running the offense, and so I was pretty familiar with probably three-quarters of the offense going in. And, if they let [Brady] have his own offense (with a new team), yeah, that makes it a little bit easier. But still, the transition of moving ...
"I just can't see how they would let him leave there, myself."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001099288/article/joe-montanas-advice-to-tom-brady-dont-leave-patriots
 

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It doesnt even make sense if a team "allows TB to take His Offense with him".

I mean 10 other guys would need to learn an entirely new offense.

Can you imaging the "Pissed off Tom" faces we would get if Mike Williams or Keenan Allen do an out when he expects a corner?

Its one of the main reasons I think he stays. If he leaves it at least half a year and probably more like a full season and 2 bookend camps to get his new guys close to the same page. He probably only has 2-3 seasons left.

Imagine an entire WR corp of Phil Dorsetts. Ok....but often doing the wrong thing.

And obviously making Tom learn your system has its own problems even if less so.
 

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It doesnt even make sense if a team "allows TB to take His Offense with him".

I mean 10 other guys would need to learn an entirely new offense.

Can you imaging the "Pissed off Tom" faces we would get if Mike Williams or Keenan Allen do an out when he expects a corner?

Its one of the main reasons I think he stays. If he leaves it at least half a year and probably more like a full season and 2 bookend camps to get his new guys close to the same page. He probably only has 2-3 seasons left.

Imagine an entire WR corp of Phil Dorsetts. Ok....but often doing the wrong thing.

And obviously making Tom learn your system has its own problems even if less so.
Completely agree.
 

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Manning ran the same offense in Denver that he did in Indy.

I doubt Brady would have much issue with Allen or Williams. Here got on the same page as Moss pretty quickly despite Moss not even playing in the preseason.
 

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It doesnt even make sense if a team "allows TB to take His Offense with him".

I mean 10 other guys would need to learn an entirely new offense.

Can you imaging the "Pissed off Tom" faces we would get if Mike Williams or Keenan Allen do an out when he expects a corner?

Its one of the main reasons I think he stays. If he leaves it at least half a year and probably more like a full season and 2 bookend camps to get his new guys close to the same page. He probably only has 2-3 seasons left.

Imagine an entire WR corp of Phil Dorsetts. Ok....but often doing the wrong thing.

And obviously making Tom learn your system has its own problems even if less so.
I think this is overblown. I mean, maybe Brady chews out Mike Williams or Keenan Allen once or twice when they mess up. But he's gonna keep throwing to them. He kept throwing to Dorsett and Meyers and Harry even after they screwed up; it's just that bad things happened when he did, because they're not good. Good things are gonna happen throwing to Williams and (especially) Allen.

The other reason this is overblown is because he's unlikely to be dealing with a stable group of receivers this year. Certainly a new TE or two, probably a new WR to compete with the young guys, plus Harry and Meyers who haven't proven anything yet. It's not like he'd be leaving the 2007 Patriots.
 

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Manning ran the same offense in Denver that he did in Indy.

I doubt Brady would have much issue with Allen or Williams. Here got on the same page as Moss pretty quickly despite Moss not even playing in the preseason.
To think Tom Brady would have a problem with a player like Keenan Allen is kind of insane. Brady would love a guy like Allen.
 

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We can disagree.

I said one of the main reasons. Not The ONLY reason.

How often has he said something along the lines of "I have all the answers because I have seen the test"? Part of that was game plan, part was coaching part was teammates (like gronk and Edelman) being on the same page.

When they WEREN'T on the same page Brady let Moss, Edelman, Welker, Gronk and everyone else know it. I have no doubts he would let Allen know it.

Maybe I am over playing this. But i think its a consideration. He knows better then any of us how important it is to have that "Trust". I dont think he finds that "instantly" or even "quickly" on a new team. Does one target (like allen) get that trust sooner then later? Sure. But its not like a whole corp of WR are going to instantly be in sync with Brady immediately.
 

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We just can't lose Brady and Betts to the professional sports wasteland that is San Diego. Can't happen.
 

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We can disagree.

I said one of the main reasons. Not The ONLY reason.

How often has he said something along the lines of "I have all the answers because I have seen the test"? Part of that was game plan, part was coaching part was teammates (like gronk and Edelman) being on the same page.

When they WEREN'T on the same page Brady let Moss, Edelman, Welker, Gronk and everyone else know it. I have no doubts he would let Allen know it.

Maybe I am over playing this. But i think its a consideration. He knows better then any of us how important it is to have that "Trust". I dont think he finds that "instantly" or even "quickly" on a new team. Does one target (like allen) get that trust sooner then later? Sure. But its not like a whole corp of WR are going to instantly be in sync with Brady immediately.
Brady's three MVP seasons all featured prominent new arrivals. In 2007, all of his top FOUR receivers by yardage - Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Gaffney - were new. In 2010 he still had Welker and a return from Branch, but Gronk / Hernandez / Crumpler were all new, Woodhead was a pickup joined in Week 2 (filled in for injured Faulk), and Brandon Tate was the third receiver who had zero catches as a rookie the year before. In 2017, Edelman was out for the year, Cooks finished just 2 yards behind Gronk for team lead, and he also had to new pieces like Dorsett and Burkhead.

There's a common thread here: awesome players have no issue getting in synch with Brady in short order. We saw that again last year with Gordon and this year with AB. If Brady signs with the Chargers (The *Los Angeles* Chargers, @DJnVa ), he'll have no trouble getting on the same page as Williams and Allen. If he signs with, say, the Raiders, it's a lot less certain. But that's less a "trust" thing and more of a "bad WR" thing.
 

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Maybe I am over playing this. But i think its a consideration. He knows better then any of us how important it is to have that "Trust". I dont think he finds that "instantly" or even "quickly" on a new team. Does one target (like allen) get that trust sooner then later? Sure. But its not like a whole corp of WR are going to instantly be in sync with Brady immediately.
I agree with your overarching point but I think it is much less about comfort with WRs in particular and more about comfort with a new coaching staff. Even if the staff is willing to mold their gameplan entirely around Brady, they aren't going to let him freelance entirely, which means the person or people drawing up and calling the plays are still critical. Plus we know Brady has a very strict regimen, specific trainers/personnel he likes to work out with, etc. etc., all of which would need to be integrated into a new team. Then there is all the off-the-field stuff like finding a new house, figuring out travel to see his kids or moving their schools, etc.

None of that will be a deal-breaker for Brady if he gets an offer that is materially better than what the Pats offer, but if the offers are anywhere close I suspect he stays with the Pats.
 

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Brandon Lang, a vegas oddsmaker (who the movie "Two for the Money" was based on) is on with Felger & Mazz says his friends in Real estate in Vegas said Brady has bought property in vegas.

edit: now backtracked a bit, saying he either bought or has inquired about property in LV
edit2: now he says he'd still put the Patriots as the favorites as a landing spot so this guy knows just about as much as anyone else, it seems
 

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FWIW (right now very little):

Have family member who manages investments for professional athletes and entertainers. Word on street is that Brady/Gisele are checking out Nashville private schools. Probably due diligence, if true. Hopefully nothing more.
 

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If Brady was committed to returning to New England and is just looking for leverage in negotiations, he wouldn’t go to these lengths. I take this at face value. He’s seriously considering Tennessee and is curious about the schools and living conditions.
 

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Unless his oldest is moving in with him this year I wouldn't worry about this. Brady's next oldest kid isn't old enough to attend that school. (Grades 7-12)
 

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Is that a pic of him in the same hallway shown in the picture that was doctored to make it look like he was touring that Nashville school? I don't see much reason for him to post something like that otherwise.

To be clear, it'd be against the rules for him to be negotiating with the Titans before the legal tampering period.
 
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It's a black, white and gray photo ... he's going to Vegas
 

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He’s walking to the field, probably means he’s out practicing again already.
 
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